Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

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Thunder 57

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You're not wrong. While our gang is familiar with it. If it isn't on the shelf in stores, or their friends don't have one, I doubt most average gamers have any idea the 6700 exists. And indeed, that 51RISC is nothing more than a reconditioned Powercolor Fighter. It is why they blacked out the name in GPU-Z as the lone review mentions. You can get the 6700 at Amazon as well, the XFX version is $290, $299 at Newegg.

I only used the 6700 for debating purposes because it points out what a wet blanket the 7600 is. It brings nothing worthwhile for budget gamers IMO. More vram was the only feature that could have made it an attractive purchase in mid 2023. The 4060 will crush it worse than the 3050 has done to the 6600.

I am at a loss why it seems compelling to anyone at $249. Some models of 6650XT have dropped below $225 multiple times and they don't even sell out. As someone else said, it's like AMD isn't even trying anymore.

How is it AMD's fault people buy 3050's over 6600/6600XT's? Or 1050's over 480/590's before that? Geforce sells.
 

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They screwed over their own brand by fumbling too many times. That's how stuff like this happens.
They really do hurt their own brand too often. Some may reply that Nvidia does it too. But they are not held to the same standard, for whatever reason. It isn't fair, but that's life.

One of the latest incidents is shooting themselves in the foot by having high launch pricing on the RX 7900 XT. Instead of getting praise heaped on them by the press for a bang for buck winner, they got roasted. Then when they lowered pricing to where it should have launched, it just highlighted how badly they bungled it.
 

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They really do hurt their own brand too often. Some may reply that Nvidia does it too. But they are not held to the same standard, for whatever reason. It isn't fair, but that's life.
Ultimately they keep delivering. This is actually the first time in a long time that they've really made a truly unappetizing product line, but even then there is no one to punish them for it.
 
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Jensen is doing a keynote in Computex in a few hours... small chance he'll announce the 4090 Tie. But it'll mostly be about AI I imagine.
 

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Ultimately they keep delivering. This is actually the first time in a long time that they've really made a truly unappetizing product line, but even then there is no one to punish them for it.

Turing was worse in my opinion. Those cards were sold at some of the same ridiculous prices (2070 was $600 at launch) and the support for them has been miserable.

The 4090 is a great halo product and anyone willing to spend $800 on a GPU should consider biting the bullet to spend $800 more. It's expensive upfront, but it's going to last a good long while. The 4070 at $600 isn't a great value proposition, but it's a solid card that will last past the next generation.

Meanwhile Turing has aged poorly and going forward is probably going to have to rely on FSR for performance improvements. Lovelace is on such a bleeding edge node that there won't be a huge bump from buying a 3nm card from the next generation. Unless NVidia changes heading, next generation DLSS that might not be supported by the 4000 series probably won't be all that useful.
 

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Meanwhile Turing has aged poorly and going forward is probably going to have to rely on FSR for performance improvements. Lovelace is on such a bleeding edge node that there won't be a huge bump from buying a 3nm card from the next generation. Unless NVidia changes heading, next generation DLSS that might not be supported by the 4000 series probably won't be all that useful.

I think DLSS will keep working with Turing for some time to come. DLSS 3 games still work on Turing, you just don't get Frame Generation, which is no great loss.

I'd expect if there is a DLSS 4 with 5000 series, it might add some other new feature that might not work with older cards, but the core functionality will keep working.
 

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Yeah Turing seems quite solid to me, except for VRAM. DLSS2 really extends its life. A 2080Ti is no slouch, and considering the chip shortage it probably gave a lot of people very solid value for 3-4 years (or more if they still have it), despite the offensive launch price.
 

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Turing was worse in my opinion.

While I'm biased in this given I own one, I don't think so. Granted the prices were bad but that was 4 years ago and now 1080p gaming is up against the 8GB wall with $270 -$400 8GB cards and $500 16GB ones. All of them with a gimped memory bus. DLSS does help the older cards in some games. My 2060Super with a 4790k can maintain 50-60fps with DLSS and medium quality on 40k Darktide. If anything it is the saving grace of those and ampere cards.
 

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Turing unintentionally became one of the best values I ever had. $400 for a 2060 super, $500 for a 2070 super. Used them for a few years. then got all of my money back selling them. Only thing that beat it was my Red Devil Vega 56. I think I paid $250 for it? sold it for $525. 🤙 Thank you crypto boom, very cool!
 

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I think that DLSS and the decent VRAM for the time made 2000-Turing a reasonable generation in hindsight and better than the Ada. You also had 1660 (Super/Ti)-Turing, which provided a decent option that lacked DLSS, but was quite a bit cheaper and got a kick in the behind by FSR.
 

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I don't know where to put this as it isn't necessary GPU related but yesterdays keynote Speech was a bit cringe.

"You don't have to undertand the strategy, you don't have to under stand the technology. They more you buy, the more you save!".

 

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Hardware Unboxed has their take on it:


Of course it has comments like this:

"A $400 GPU more powerful than an entire $400 console? Damn nvidia you spoil us".

I get that the focus isn't on gaming, but why bring gaming into your keynote if you are just going just going to get crapped on again? Could've totally left it out and been fine.
 
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Ranulf

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"Whoosh...Whisssh...I am the sound effect."

Edit: starts at 5min mark or so on the GN video. Also, stinky tofu is best from the night market. Pass it on.

Heh, apparently he said the meme again...so here goes.

 
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Seriously, watching Jensen made me wonder if he has some sort of cognitive/memory disease.
Oh, he definitely has that. Why else would he keep making brain dead decisions for the 4000 series GPUs? He's like a rabid zombie going, "Moarrrr money! Moarrr RAM chips to use on moarrrr cards! Pinch pinch pinch! Gotta make profits above anything else!"
 

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Seriously, watching Jensen made me wonder if he has some sort of cognitive/memory disease. Or he was tripping.
If it's a single instance, it can be jet lag, illness or whatever. It might also just be a lack of preparation. It was a demanding key note anyway. Intel, Apple and AMD don't make their CEO do a 2 hour keynote.
 
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