ADHD is not a real thing

futurefields

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People, especially children, are easily distracted and have a hard time paying attention to things they are not interested in. It really is just as simple as that. One of my coworkers just tried to use an ADHD excuse and blamed "his dad's bad genes." Lol! Really?!
 

nakedfrog

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Maybe you should try to be more interesting, then?
I don't know, I'm thinking doctors and the like have more evidence to support their side of the ADHD/ADD diagnosis than you have to support your argument. I don't disagree that it's likely to be misdiagnosed in many cases.
 

futurefields

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Maybe you should try to be more interesting, then?
I don't know, I'm thinking doctors and the like have more evidence to support their side of the ADHD/ADD diagnosis than you have to support your argument. I don't disagree that it's likely to be misdiagnosed in many cases.

many top doctors think it is BS as well
 

Kaido

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It's not fake, but it is over-diagnosed, same as a gluten intolerance. Source: I've had both.
 

Kaido

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I don't know, I'm thinking doctors and the like have more evidence to support their side of the ADHD/ADD diagnosis than you have to support your argument. I don't disagree that it's likely to be misdiagnosed in many cases.

The difficult thing is finding the root cause. For me, turned out I couldn't absorb food all that much, particularly certain foods like wheat. Aside from making me feel like crap (gluten allergy), it also contributed heavily to my ADD. After 30-odd years of struggling, I got the right diagnoses & my ADD is controllable now. But there can be a variety of causes. I know someone who was in a severe accident & now has all of the same ADD symptoms I did, but with current medical technology, there's just no way they can be cured or even managed because we just don't know how to do that yet.

It's common & funny sometimes for people to say "oh that's just my ADD", but there's a line between having a moment & actually having it to the point where it wrecks your life. For example, my grades growing up were exclusively A's and F's; I didn't really have a choice in terms of what I was interested in, either I was full-on or full-off, effort all the way or nothing. Or being unable to not procrastinate on things that would ruin your life or cost you a lot of money, time, or effort down the road. Taking up new hobbies or projects full-bore for a few weeks & then abandoning them completely. Hyperfocusing on everything but your actual priorities. Being unable to not zone-out when talking to someone or reading a page in a book, especially a textbook. Looking like a hoarder because of all of the phases you've gone through.

It's not laziness or a lack of self-control, it's simply that there's a gyroscope in your brain preventing you from living life how you want. If you've ever seen Memento, it's a similar idea...almost like your brain resets & wants to find something new & more entertaining. I am fortunate enough to have nipped the root cause in the bud, which has been life-changing. I still have it a little bit, especially getting overly-focused on things, but I can manage it now. I can keep my room clean...a small thing now, but a mountain in the past. I finished college, with flying colors, after spending more than a decade struggling with it. I have an awesome job. Everything is a million times easier because I can simply decide to buckle down & actually follow through now. And I can harness some of the energy, too, like the hyperfocus thing...I can direct it towards things I want to now.

My wiki & certain forum posts are small examples of how ADD works. My browser at any given time has 6 windows open with 20 tabs each. Researching down endless rabbit holes for hours at a time...at least I started collecting & organizing relevant data so I wouldn't forget things. Need an A to Z guide on color grading for film? How about some interesting car links? Why not spend 14 hours straight creating the best list of home automation junk on the web? Babysitting a 30-page thread on mini computers? Or a 130+ page thread on a more specific home automation widget? But hey, why stop there? Why not make a post on neat home materials too? Wait, let's go dig up some more car stuff, specifically on Tesla! And then not update it for 2 years!

But wait, time for a new phase! Cooking! Micro-computers! A list of stuff to do when you're bored, but then you totally forget it exists! Or all of the little projects I start & then stop because I decided to make cookies or watch Youtube for four hours straight or remembered that my bathtub was dirty & needed to be scrubbed out, like an Android 101 guide or porting over a photography resource listing. Figured out a dumb trick with my iPhone, why not make a video about it? Or let's get more specific with computers, like the HP Mini. Or Hackintosh. And that's just the written stuff I've bothered to save in one or two locations. Not a brag post...it's just that ADD does in fact exist. It's fun when you can call the shots, but when you can't, you look back at all of the random crap you've done, zillions of hours spent on inane projects, even more hours spent on unfinished ones, and then forget about all of that & you're off to do something else

 

z1ggy

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It could be over diagnosed, or with changing culture/technology, more children are becoming "susceptible" to having a smaller attention span.

I personally believe I have a 'small' amount of it, as when I was in college I took one of my friends very strong ADHD pills and went on a 6 hour study binge like it was my job. Never experienced that level of focus before or since.
 

surfsatwerk

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People, especially children, are easily distracted and have a hard time paying attention to things they are not interested in. It really is just as simple as that. One of my coworkers just tried to use an ADHD excuse and blamed "his dad's bad genes." Lol! Really?!

You're not a real thing.
 

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All I know is that I had a 6 year old that went from being a total distraction in the classroom, failing at her studies and in the principals office on a daily basis to being a totally different kid and reading at the 98% percentile nationally once she started ADHD meds.


It was like I enabled cheat mode.
 

Ancalagon44

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I used to think it was a made-up disease until I started reading more about it. The more I read about it, the more it explained why I did some of the things I do.

I never studied at high school. I never studied at college/university either. I used to think I was just lazy because I was smart. That I was so used to not having to work to get good grades that I didn't bother. But then I started studying later in life, when I was 29. Paying for my studies myself. Even then, I couldn't focus. I could pay attention in lectures for hours at a time, but give me a textbook to read and I'd be looking out the window in 5 minutes.

It's the same with work - give me a boring task to do that requires manual labour, and I can do it diligently for hours. Give me something that requires mental effort, and it will take me 2-3 times longer than it should. This is despite now having two degrees in mostly unrelated disciplines. I just can't concentrate on anything that requires mental effort unless it is something that I enjoy, like a video game.

I used to think I was just lazy. Now... I'm not so sure. Sure, I can be lazy sometimes, no argument there. But is it reasonable to believe that I've been lazy my entire life in everything I've ever done, even with studies I've paid for out of my own pocket? How can I be motivated enough to attend every lecture, but too lazy to focus on reading the textbook for more than 5 minutes?

Sure, 10 000 years ago, not many people had to put any mental effort into anything, and it probably wouldn't have been a problem. In an ideal world, I'd do something else that didn't require mental effort. If I did, I'd have to give up my big (for me) salary. I actually don't know what I should do for the rest of my life. I want to do something that gives me independence and creativity, like writing my own novels (working on that), but there is no guarantee that I could focus on writing even if I was a successful novelist.
 

gar655

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Ummm totally made up by the drug companies with the assistance (via the vast kick back program) of the medical community.

Funny how there was no ADHD before the mid 60s or so. Now, anyone who doesn't listen, doesn't pay attention has ADHD.

Drug companies and doctors are raking it in over this.
 

nakedfrog

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Ummm totally made up by the drug companies with the assistance (via the vast kick back program) of the medical community.

Funny how there was no ADHD before the mid 60s or so. Now, anyone who doesn't listen, doesn't pay attention has ADHD.

Drug companies and doctors are raking it in over this.
Well, this is a sound, well-reasoned argument, backed up with lots of facts and citations.


Wait, no, it's the complete opposite of that :hmm:
 

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Ummm totally made up by the drug companies with the assistance (via the vast kick back program) of the medical community.

Funny how there was no ADHD before the mid 60s or so. Now, anyone who doesn't listen, doesn't pay attention has ADHD.

Drug companies and doctors are raking it in over this.

Totally. Just like those other made up things like AIDS, ALS, Non-Hodgkins lymphoma, Lyme Disease and a host of other classifications that have come about in the last hundred years.
 

Capt Caveman

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Ummm totally made up by the drug companies with the assistance (via the vast kick back program) of the medical community.

Funny how there was no ADHD before the mid 60s or so. Now, anyone who doesn't listen, doesn't pay attention has ADHD.

Drug companies and doctors are raking it in over this.

Yes, b/c only diagnoses discovered before the mid 60s are valid, right?

Any new discovery of a new disease, disability, etc is just made up?

I work in the rare disease space. There are diseases out there that have been misdiagnosed for another leading to painful, early deaths for people b/c they were not being treated properly.

And yes, the OP is a troll.
 

master_shake_

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my son gets in trouble at school for the opposite.

he concentrates on what he is doing and doesn't want to stop till the job at hand is done.

apparently that's bad.

they say he doesn't listen.
 

futurefields

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All I know is that I had a 6 year old that went from being a total distraction in the classroom, failing at her studies and in the principals office on a daily basis to being a totally different kid and reading at the 98% percentile nationally once she started ADHD meds.


It was like I enabled cheat mode.

well yeah, taking cognitive stimulants will have that effect.
 

JEDIYoda

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You have to be goofy a fool and very stupidly ignorant to believe that ADHD is NOT real............
 

Charmonium

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ADD is real because you can judge by the effect amphetamines have on people who have it. Take someone with attention deficit and give them ritalin and what happens? The become and subdued. When I was taking meth, that shit would put me to sleep.

Give speed to someone who doesn't have ADD and you get a completely different reaction. They become hyper, agitated, get a bad case of motor mouth, etc.

So from a purely biochemical view, the two groups - ADD and non-ADD - are completely different beasts.
 

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ADHD is a real thing but a lot of kids are misdiagnosed. If you met a kid with ADHD than you will see a different between the kid and a kid who doesn't behave.
 

Whisper

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ADD is real because you can judge by the effect amphetamines have on people who have it. Take someone with attention deficit and give them ritalin and what happens? The become and subdued. When I was taking meth, that shit would put me to sleep.

Give speed to someone who doesn't have ADD and you get a completely different reaction. They become hyper, agitated, get a bad case of motor mouth, etc.

So from a purely biochemical view, the two groups - ADD and non-ADD - are completely different beasts.

Unfortunately, this is generally not true; psychostimulant medications are effective (in a variety of ways) for people with and without ADHD. Response to the medication is neither sensitive nor specific RE: being an indicator of presence or absence of the condition.

As for ADD vs. ADHD, the terminology is confusing, but nowadays it's ALL termed ADHD, there are just different subtypes (inattentive, hyperactive/impulsive, or combined). In the past (i.e., ~1980's), it was ALL ADD, just with or without hyperactivity. There is some research to support the concept that folks with ADHD who've never exhibited significant hyperactivity/impulsivity symptoms actually have a distinct condition, but they represent a minority of folks diagnosed with ADHD.

And yes, the condition is "real" and is associated with differences in short- and long-term neurodevelopment.
 
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Mercennarius

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Give speed to someone who doesn't have ADD and you get a completely different reaction. They become hyper, agitated, get a bad case of motor mouth, etc.


Completely incorrect. Amphetamines, which are commonly prescribed for ADHD, have exactly the same effects on non-ADHD people as they do those that are diagnosed with ADHD. Exactly the same. This is why drugs like Adderall are extremely abused on college campuses.
 

twinrider1

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South Park's take on ADHD

Not making fun of genuine cases, but I thought this was hilarious.

I think some of it is just differences in personality. Different people deal with certain situations differently. Touching on Ancalagon44's comments....people just have different makeups. I love working with my hands, small detail work that drive some people nuts. Others are speakers or listeners that can make small talk for hours. That drives me nuts.
 
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