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TheWart

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The thread is about the "decline" and "death" of the netbook. Does that mean we need to turn it into a "omgz the iPad is great, the average person doesn't care about flash LOLOLOLOL!" thread? Of course not.

No, but the research note raised the possibility that perhap the iPad is eating away at some netbook sales. It was the android fanboys who have a hardon for Apple and steve jobs that then proceeded to derail the thread with "omg this is lame ipad ahs no flash!>!"
 

Deeko

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No, but the research note raised the possibility that perhap the iPad is eating away at some netbook sales. It was the android fanboys who have a hardon for Apple and steve jobs that then proceeded to derail the thread with "omg this is lame ipad ahs no flash!>!"

As far as productivity, the iPad isn't second to netbooks. Performance wise, I'd give the edge to the iPad, because everything on the ipad just "works fast". netbooks still feel sluggish, but that's because they have more to do.

So I guess apple's philosophy is: if it doesn't perform well, get rid of it. They want the user experience to be notch, bar none. Plus, If Apple made a netbook, it would be the netbook to get!

Heil Apple!

This is the kind of post that adds nothing useful or relevant to the thread, and is going to lead to a cadre of anti-Apple retorts, which will attract more members of "Team Apple" to the discussion, and turn this thread into a flame war.

I would advise against this kind of post.

Read back through the thread. This is exactly what happened. The thread stayed civil and on topic until an Apple fanboy came in and posted some "Hooray Apple!" crap, sparking retorts, sparking more of the Apple kids to join in, turning it into another worthless "lolz go ipad" vs "ha ipad sucks" thread.
 

QueBert

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Did you seriously just say that? Really? I can't believe it. You have to be trolling, there is just no way.

Why is that trolling? I have a big family and outside of my sis and her husband no adult but me plays games at all, and everyone of them has a computer. Same for my neighbors, all up and down my block I have neighbors I do computer work for and none of them without kids play any games. I'm not sure where anyone gets this idea that everyone plays games on the net. I bet the number of people who play Flash games is lower than the number of people who own Macs, and I know exactly 1 person who owns a mac. Are you really arguing that Flash gaming is an important thing to the average person? This isn't Apple Vs Android or iPad Vs Netbook. This is people assuming Flash is on the radar of the average person, it's not. If I make Flash games for a living of course I have a huge audience for them, but I'd still know the majority of people aren't ever going to even think about Flash gaming. I'm buying a Motorola Droid this week so I actually like Android, but I'm not under some fantasy where thinking because it'll have Flash soon will make it the must have device for everyone.
 

AstroManLuca

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...the majority of people don't play them... Let's say 10 million people play Flash games... 90%+ who don't play games care? Obviously for the 10 million who like Flash games... the average person would fall into the majority who never plays a single game... Flash & Flash games aren't important in the big scope of things to the typical computer user. Gamers don't account for more than a small fraction of computer users, I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

The bolded statements are made up. Oh look, a link demonstrating that you are completely wrong.

http://mashable.com/2010/02/20/farmville-80-million-users/

80 million people played Farmville in February, and that was as of February 20th. Couldn't find any broader statistics on Flash games in general, but that was worldwide out of 400 million Facebook subscribers. So that's 20% of Facebook users, just for Farmville. How about all the people who don't play Farmville but play other games? How about all the people who only ever play solitaire but represent an untapped market for games? How about the fact that casual gaming was a $2.25 BILLION industry a whole THREE YEARS AGO?

I think you have no idea at all what you're talking about and you're just making shit up to support your arguments.

No, but the research note raised the possibility that perhap the iPad is eating away at some netbook sales. It was the android fanboys who have a hardon for Apple and steve jobs that then proceeded to derail the thread with "omg this is lame ipad ahs no flash!>!"

As others pointed out, those numbers were released before the iPad came out. So you may like to think that the iPad is eating into netbook sales, but it wasn't doing so at the time of the study. I don't doubt that it will, just saying you shouldn't make such broad assumptions.
 

zerocool84

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No, but the research note raised the possibility that perhap the iPad is eating away at some netbook sales. It was the android fanboys who have a hardon for Apple and steve jobs that then proceeded to derail the thread with "omg this is lame ipad ahs no flash!>!"

Like I said before, half her data is practically made up.

Her timing seems a little off. Steve Jobs didn't unveil the iPad until Jan. 27, yet the NPD data she cites is dated Jan. 10.
 

senseamp

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I thought we were debating tablets vs netbooks, not android vs iphone os. There are going to be Android Tablets and Netbooks, so I don't think Google really cares which form factor their users prefer since they don't have all their eggs in one basket. Tablet is just a netbook with a different input device. If anything iPad's success is going to get even more players into making Android tablets, since tablets will be proven popular.
 

rh71

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I've played with the ipad and a netbook for about a minute each, literally, so I know I don't have a full picture. What common things can a netbook do that an ipad can't? I know about printing and flash... what else? I need to make a purchasing decision based on this. Can you even carry a netbook around the house in 1 hand like it weighs no more than a magazine? I already have a laptop and it sucks bringing that thing room to room, spending 4 minutes powering it on and finding the wifi (3hr battery life - sucks), etc.

I have an opportunity to pick up the Incredible but browsing on small screens is horrid so that's out.
 
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jpeyton

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What common things can a netbook do that an ipad can't?
Depends on what you define as "common". To me, "common" might be a Skype video-chat with a friend across the country while I'm sitting on the couch. Even a stripped, low-end $250 netbook has a webcam; something that even the high-end $800 iPad lacks.

Can you even carry a netbook around the house in 1 hand like it weighs no more than a magazine?
If you can't carry a netbook in one hand, your money might be better spent on a gym membership.

I already have a laptop and it sucks bringing that thing room to room, spending 4 minutes powering it on and finding the wifi (3hr battery life - sucks), etc.
The best netbooks on the market have 10+ hour battery life. There's also this neat feature on most computers called "standby" or "sleep" mode, where it takes 2 seconds to power on.
 

BoberFett

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I'm going to buy a netbook one of these days because I want a real computer in a very portable, long-battery format. I'll also buy a tablet running something like Android or even ChromeOS, because I want a simple device that's just for web surfing while on the couch. They are two totally separate devices for distinct purposes.

What I will not buy is Apple's proprietary lock-in garbage.
 

CTrain

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Netbooks aren't going away.
Manufacturers are making them faster and faster.
Its getting to a point where these hybrid netbooks are fast, long battery life and lighter.
A perfect example of a hybrid netbook is the Acer 1410 with the dual core u2300.
Nice size screen with a laptop resolution(1366x768), 5 hrs battery life, can run HD contents, light, and can be had for $400.
I love my 1410. Its a perfect example why its a much better choice than buying a lowest price($500) ipad.

If you are going to compare the ipad to a netbook, don't compare it to the slow Atom netbooks that are selling for $300.
Compare it to a $500 netbook and those netbooks advantages are obvious.
 

thescreensavers

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I dont see this happening, People constantly buy netbooks as there main computer or as gifts since they are cheap.
 

MrX8503

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I think people are too caught up on physical features.

The only reason why an iPad would take some marketshare from netbooks is price. When a consumer buys something they're gonna ask themselves am I gonna spend $500 on an iPad or a netbook.

That is the first and foremost deciding factor. After that its just all about, do I need a camera, a keyboard, battery life, portability. We could argue about that all day, but at the end of the day its about price.

For me personally, I'd like to own a couch surfing device. I don't feel like a netbook nor an iPad is great for that, just yet. The iPad has a better form factor, but doesn't load a full webpage properly.
 

jpeyton

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I think people are too caught up on physical features.

The only reason why an iPad would take some marketshare from netbooks is price. When a consumer buys something they're gonna ask themselves am I gonna spend $500 on an iPad or $300 on a netbook.
Fixed.
 

TheWart

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I think people are too caught up on physical features.

The only reason why an iPad would take some marketshare from netbooks is price. When a consumer buys something they're gonna ask themselves am I gonna spend $500 on an iPad or a netbook.

That is the first and foremost deciding factor. After that its just all about, do I need a camera, a keyboard, battery life, portability. We could argue about that all day, but at the end of the day its about price.

For me personally, I'd like to own a couch surfing device. I don't feel like a netbook nor an iPad is great for that, just yet. The iPad has a better form factor, but doesn't load a full webpage properly.

I disagree. I don't see how people would make a decision as significant as deciding whether to get a tablet or a traditional foldable laptop/netbook after thinking about price. First they will say "What do I want, a tablet device or a small laptop?" Then they will set a price limit.

In terms of tablet's effects on the netbook market, I think one only needs to look a few years out when the price of these tablets average $2-300 and can do everything a netbook can.
 

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Just to add my thoughts, my recent mobile-internet solution has been a netbook and mobile broadband dongle, but I've just got my first smartphone and I can see it taking over a good chunk of the netbook's duties.

The trouble with the netbook was always that it's a bulky and slow to boot up solution - its too much trouble to start it up if I'm in an unfamiliar town and want to find somewhere to eat. The phone I can just whip out and it's ready to go, GPS->Maps->Pizza Hut

The netbook has its place - in front of the TV at home or at a friend's place. While my phone is just about good enough to come onto forums like this, I doubt I'd have the patience to type out a very long reply on an onscreen keyboard, whether it was a phone or a tablet sized device. With the phone taking over the mobile duties, the portability factor is less important than it used to be. Until a year ago I had an old Pentium M laptop, and if I hadn't sold it and gone for a netbook for portability's sake I'd still be happy with it for web and email use.

I'm sure netbooks will continue to have their uses, especially in terms of long battery life. I think all the kids at school have their own netbooks running for most of the day now. Hard to say without knowing more whether a tablet would suit them better or as well.
 
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JACKDRUID

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I've played with the ipad and a netbook for about a minute each, literally, so I know I don't have a full picture. What common things can a netbook do that an ipad can't? I know about printing and flash... what else? I need to make a purchasing decision based on this. Can you even carry a netbook around the house in 1 hand like it weighs no more than a magazine? I already have a laptop and it sucks bringing that thing room to room, spending 4 minutes powering it on and finding the wifi (3hr battery life - sucks), etc.

I have an opportunity to pick up the Incredible but browsing on small screens is horrid so that's out.

ipad does NOT run
- run microsoft office
- open powerpoint, word files etc
- save any files
- flash (game or ANY web content)
- does not print
- no camera
- remote desktop
- any desktop apps ( i install visual studio on my netbook, its slow, however it works when i needed it for emergency)
- output movies/youtube to tv

don't expect ipad to replace your netbook/notebook, its just not made for it.

what ipad does extremely well
- surf internet that DOES NOT NEED FLASH
- play game (SF4)
- read ebook/pdf



personally i got a asus tablet netbook t91, it has all the advantages of a netbook with ability to touch screen (read ebook/pdf) nicely.
 

JACKDRUID

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I disagree. I don't see how people would make a decision as significant as deciding whether to get a tablet or a traditional foldable laptop/netbook after thinking about price. First they will say "What do I want, a tablet device or a small laptop?" Then they will set a price limit.

In terms of tablet's effects on the netbook market, I think one only needs to look a few years out when the price of these tablets average $2-300 and can do everything a netbook can.

people don't have to choose between netbook vs tablet.

there are tablet netbooks available namely Asus t91, t101, Leveno
 

TheWart

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ipad does NOT run
- run microsoft office
- open powerpoint, word files etc -- False
- save any files -- You can save pics at the very least I believe
- flash (game or ANY web content)
- does not print
- no camera
- remote desktop -- False: LogMeIn, RDP, VNC
- any desktop apps ( i install visual studio on my netbook, its slow, however it works when i needed it for emergency)
- output movies/youtube to tv -- False, you can with the VGA adapter

don't expect ipad to replace your netbook/notebook, its just not made for it.

what ipad does extremely well
- surf internet that DOES NOT NEED FLASH
- play game (SF4)
- read ebook/pdf



personally i got a asus tablet netbook t91, it has all the advantages of a netbook with ability to touch screen (read ebook/pdf) nicely.

Umm, I think you are wrong on some of the above.
 

JACKDRUID

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ipad does NOT run
- run microsoft office
- edit powerpoint, word files etc
- can't save most files
- flash (game or ANY web content)
- does not print
- no camera
- remote desktop is iffy and hard to use
- any desktop apps ( i install visual studio on my netbook, its slow, however it works when i needed it for emergency)
- output movies/youtube to tv require external adopters.

don't expect ipad to replace your netbook/notebook, its just not made for it.

what ipad does extremely well
- surf internet that DOES NOT NEED FLASH
- play game (SF4)
- read ebook/pdf



personally i got a asus tablet netbook t91, it has all the advantages of a netbook with ability to touch screen (read ebook/pdf) nicely.
 

zerocool84

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ipad does NOT run
- run microsoft office
- edit powerpoint, word files etc
- can't save most files
- flash (game or ANY web content)
- does not print
- no camera
- remote desktop is iffy and hard to use
- any desktop apps ( i install visual studio on my netbook, its slow, however it works when i needed it for emergency)
- output movies/youtube to tv require external adopters.

don't expect ipad to replace your netbook/notebook, its just not made for it.

what ipad does extremely well
- surf internet that DOES NOT NEED FLASH
- play game (SF4)
- read ebook/pdf



personally i got a asus tablet netbook t91, it has all the advantages of a netbook with ability to touch screen (read ebook/pdf) nicely.

lol I don't think you needed to post it all over again
 

Bateluer

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what ipad does extremely well
- read ebook/pdf

I have to disagree strongly on that point. Because of its screen, the iPad makes a very poor eReader when compared to an e-ink device. If you read for more than brief periods on the iPad, your eyes are going to burn. Although you'd probably be fine flipping through a magazine on the iPad, reading a novel would be eye-gougingly painful.

Battery life is an issue too, Kindle's and Nooks last for 7 days, easily. The iPad lasts for ~10hours. Yes, most people will not be reading for 10 hours straight, but you may not be able to charge the device regularly, especially if you're traveling.
 

TheWart

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I have to disagree strongly on that point. Because of its screen, the iPad makes a very poor eReader when compared to an e-ink device. If you read for more than brief periods on the iPad, your eyes are going to burn. Although you'd probably be fine flipping through a magazine on the iPad, reading a novel would be eye-gougingly painful.

Battery life is an issue too, Kindle's and Nooks last for 7 days, easily. The iPad lasts for ~10hours. Yes, most people will not be reading for 10 hours straight, but you may not be able to charge the device regularly, especially if you're traveling.

I think that depends on the person. I have read on my iphone's screen for multiple hours while on flights and haven't had any issues. I also borrowed a friend's ipad for a long trip and read it for like 3-4 hours with no problems. And that is on top of my job where (prolly like most people here) I stare at an LCD for 9-10 hours a day.

As for the battery life, 10 hours is with web/video usage. It can last a good deal longer if you are just using it as an e-reader, especially if you turn the brightness down.
 

zerocool84

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I think that depends on the person. I have read on my iphone's screen for multiple hours while on flights and haven't had any issues. I also borrowed a friend's ipad for a long trip and read it for like 3-4 hours with no problems. And that is on top of my job where (prolly like most people here) I stare at an LCD for 9-10 hours a day.

As for the battery life, 10 hours is with web/video usage. It can last a good deal longer if you are just using it as an e-reader, especially if you turn the brightness down.

Just because you can do it on it doesn't mean it does it extremely well. If someone has used an eInk device, everything else is second rate. Nothing can compete with an eInk device for reading. LCD's give more eyestrain. No one can go against that.
 
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