adios netbooks?

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JACKDRUID

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Just because you can do it on it doesn't mean it does it extremely well. If someone has used an eInk device, everything else is second rate. Nothing can compete with an eInk device for reading. LCD's give more eyestrain. No one can go against that.


you are correct. kindle xl eInk is the BEST eReader, ipad is not even close.

an ipad does it much better than a ordinary netbook, however, when compared to a tablet netbook, they both function about the same.

then again, its no contest against a kindle xl.
 

TheWart

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you are correct. kindle xl eInk is the BEST eReader, ipad is not even close.

an ipad does it much better than a ordinary netbook, however, when compared to a tablet netbook, they both function about the same.

then again, its no contest against a kindle xl.

Yea, I would not try and argue that if someone wants a device just for ereading, then one of the Kindles is probably the way to go. Then again, the DX is almost $500 and is not anywhere near as versatile as the ipad, so there is a tradeoff.
 

zerocool84

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Yea, I would not try and argue that if someone wants a device just for ereading, then one of the Kindles is probably the way to go. Then again, the DX is almost $500 and is not anywhere near as versatile as the ipad, so there is a tradeoff.

Of course there's trade-offs to everything but saying that the iPad is good for eReading (I know you didn't say that) is false since eReaders do it much better. You may be able to live with it as an eReader but it's far from ideal. eReaders are just like the iPad, a cool niche devices but will never replace other things in your house any time soon.
 
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TheWart

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Of course there's trade-offs to everything but saying that the iPad is good for eReading (I know you didn't say that) is false since eReaders do it much better. You may be able to live with it as an eReader but it's far from ideal. eReaders are just like the iPad, a cool niche devices but will never replace other things in your house any time soon.

I agree, with the caveat that I think it is fair to say the Kindle is far more a 'niche' device than a tablet like the iPad. Estimates have put Kindle sales since its debut in 2007 as ~1.5-2.0 million, numbers that the iPad will probably pass by mid-May (and that is not even accounting for the other tablets coming out this year).

I think the avg person won't bother with a Nook or Kindle in the future, and those devices will be bought almost wholly by hardcore readers.
 

zerocool84

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I agree, with the caveat that I think it is fair to say the Kindle is far more a 'niche' device than a tablet like the iPad. Estimates have put Kindle sales since its debut in 2007 as ~1.5-2.0 million, numbers that the iPad will probably pass by mid-May (and that is not even accounting for the other tablets coming out this year).

I think the avg person won't bother with a Nook or Kindle in the future, and those devices will be bought almost wholly by hardcore readers.

Yea no average person is going to buy it since it can really do only one thing. I am thinking of buying one for my mom for her bday since she's a huge reader and this would be perfect and she's old now and forgets to plug things in.
 

JACKDRUID

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Yea no average person is going to buy it since it can really do only one thing. I am thinking of buying one for my mom for her bday since she's a huge reader and this would be perfect and she's old now and forgets to plug things in.

actually... kindle gives you unlimited lifetime internet (some models world wide unlimited lifetime internet)... no flash, color etc and its slow.. but.. it does work for simple checking email.

and battery life is simply amazingly on kindle...
 

nageov3t

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I love my netbook.

the problem is that since I only use it for web browsing, there's really no compelling reason to upgrade to the latest and greatest on a regular basis. when all I do is run chrome, why spend another couple hundred bucks for increased processing power?
 

TheWart

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Thought some folks would find it interesting to see the latest data out of Forrester on this topic.

Looks like everyone in this thread who laughed at the idea of tablets replacing netbooks might end up looking pretty silly themselves:



The tablet era has just begun, but Forrester Research is already predicting tablet sales in the U.S. will overtake netbook sales by 2012, and desktop sales by 2015. At the Untethered conference today in New York City, Forrester analyst Sarah Rotman Epps laid out her projections comparing tablet sales to netbooks, laptops, and desktops. She expects 3.5 million tablets (including the iPad and other tablets) to be sold this year, growing to 20.4 million in 2015. Meanwhile, she expects desktop sales to drop from 18.7 million units in 2010 to 15.7 million units in 2015.

As a percentage of overall PC sales, tablets will grow from 6 percent this year to 18 percent in 2012 (when netbooks are estimated to account for 17 percent of sales. The next year, in 2013, tablet sales are projected to outstrip desktop unit sales, 21 percent to 20 percent. By 2015, tablets will make up 23 percent of PC sales in the U.S., while desktops will be 18 percent and netbooks will be 17 percent. Only laptops will sell more in the U.S., with a 42 percent market share.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/17/fo..._campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+(TechCrunch)
 

AstroManLuca

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I don't see netbook sales going down much in that chart. I see desktop sales going down by a lot though. That wouldn't surprise me; I'm pretty sure desktop sales as a percentage of total computer sales have been going down for many years already.

Tablets might very well merge with netbooks just as netbooks are beginning to merge with laptops. I don't know how the sales will go (not sure how you can predict based on very few released products and only a few months of hype), but one thing we can say for certain is that 5 years from now, the product ecosystem will not look the same as it currently does. You'll see more netbooks inching up toward regular notebooks in power, size, and price. And while this is just pure speculation on my part, I think you'll also see more convertible tablets. I have no idea if that will actually happen but I hope it does because typing on an iPad is really bad and people who need to type things will want something with a physical keyboard like a netbook. Convertible tablet netbooks provide the best of both worlds.
 

ponyo

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Desktop is being killed. Except for power users, who really needs a desktop? Tablets and netbooks will continue to coexist and grow. I recently bought my wife the iPad and it's pretty amazing device. Sure there are things it's missing, but I'm sure the next refresh will address it. I'm sticking with my netbook and android phone for now but when the iPad 2.0 comes out and address some of its shortcomings, I will buy one for myself. It really is a fabulous device for quick web browsing, reading, and simple tasks around the house.
 

TheWart

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18%->17% = adios?

haha, remember I made the thread title provocative to get some discussion.

In all seriousness, I guess I see it similar to how the smartphone market appears to be developing. Eg, Apple maintaining a significant chunk (but not expanding as rapidly as before) while Android's growth is accelerating. Android fanboys interpret that as the death of Apple (cause it is 'stagnating') while Apple fanboys claim otherwise. In this case, it is the netbooks that are losing out on a significant chunk of sales as I believe people are much more likely to be buying a tablet in lieu of a netbook. So while the netbook marketshare wont crash, it is losing out on millions of potential sales.
 

DivideBYZero

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haha, remember I made the thread title provocative to get some discussion.

In all seriousness, I guess I see it similar to how the smartphone market appears to be developing. Eg, Apple maintaining a significant chunk (but not expanding as rapidly as before) while Android's growth is accelerating. Android fanboys interpret that as the death of Apple (cause it is 'stagnating') while Apple fanboys claim otherwise. In this case, it is the netbooks that are losing out on a significant chunk of sales as I believe people are much more likely to be buying a tablet in lieu of a netbook. So while the netbook marketshare wont crash, it is losing out on millions of potential sales.
The chart clearly shows the Desktop computer as the biggest loser. It's not the death of the Netbook we should be discussing, but the move toward wholesale mobile consumer computing.
 

zerocool84

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The chart clearly shows the Desktop computer as the biggest loser. It's not the death of the Netbook we should be discussing, but the move toward wholesale mobile consumer computing.

If I remember correctly, in many other countries, mobile computers/smartphones outnumber desktop and notebook computers. My brother lives in Tokyo and he says that more people have mobile smartphones than home computers. I've heard the same in many European countries as well. It seems we're behind the pack here in the states.
 

BoberFett

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And that makes sense. Unless you need serious horsepower for scientific, development or gaming apps, why be tied to a desk? As more and more things move to a client/server model expect desktop apps to disappear entirely. And someday when wireless bandwidth is for all intensive purposes (sorry, I had to do it) unlimited, even those other apps will move their processing to remote servers and we'll all just carry what are essentially dumb screens around with us a la Star Trek.
 

DivideBYZero

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Indeed. I have a 'rig' still, and I'm typing up this post on it, but I have way more laptops, netbooks and smartphones in the house. 1 Rig, 6 laptops and countless (literally with the wife working for RIM) Smartphones.

The desktop, in the context of the non-business user, is dead.
 
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