Adobe CS5 launch

[Modelworks]

You can view it here:
http://cs5launch.adobe.com/

 

[Adam8281]

Will be interesting to see how the Apple v. Adobe battle plays out with respect to CS5. In case you haven't heard, Apple's new developer agreement for the iPad prohibits app developers from writing an app in anything other than the iPad's native format. One of the core features of CS5, however, is one that allows a developer to write an app in flash and then "convert" it to iPad compatible format. According to Apple, it would be a violation to use this feature to make an iPad app.

 

[Barfo]

Sweet...I'll stick with Photoshop CS3 because there's no way I'll pay whatever this new thing costs.

 

[Ken g6]

I don't have Photoshop, but I might consider getting CS5 just for the Content Aware Fill!

 

[Crusty]

I don't have Photoshop, but I might consider getting CS5 just for the Content Aware Fill!

Gimp can do the same thing and it's free! That said.. it's still an awesome feature.

 

[JackBurton]

Gimp can do the same thing and it's free! That said.. it's still an awesome feature.

Yes it's free, and it sucks compared to Photoshop.

 

[sswingle]

Really excited about CS5. I feel like CS3 and CS4 barely added anything. CS5 now has some amazing new photoshop features, and we get 64 bit for Premiere. Yay

 

[Modelworks]

I am part of the CS5 testers and now can talk about it , so if anyone has questions about it just ask and I will answer what I can.

My biggest gripe is lack of support for ATI video cards. You get acceleration in photoshop but not in anything else . The new premiere mercury engine only supports nvidia cuda so most of the new features are not usable in real time. You can chance things but the video will stop playing like before.

 

[scott916]

I am part of the CS5 testers and now can talk about it , so if anyone has questions about it just ask and I will answer what I can.

My biggest gripe is lack of support for ATI video cards. You get acceleration in photoshop but not in anything else . The new premiere mercury engine only supports nvidia cuda so most of the new features are not usable in real time. You can chance things but the video will stop playing like before.

I figured something was up when they said they said 'increased support for 3d accelerator cards, like nvidia.'

Do you think they'll put some more work into ATI support or that they'll just stay in favor of nvidia?

 

[Modelworks]

I figured something was up when they said they said 'increased support for 3d accelerator cards, like nvidia.'

Do you think they'll put some more work into ATI support or that they'll just stay in favor of nvidia?

I doubt it. They are using cuda and currently there is no easy way to go from cuda to ATI methods like OpenCL. ATI is partly to blame here for not going after the professional market the way nvidia has done.

 

[Crusty]

Yes it's free, and it sucks compared to Photoshop.

Thanks for your opinion, but where did I say that it was better? I said it can do the same thing and it's free. Some people can't afford Adobe software and the free alternative works just fine for being free.

 

[sswingle]

I doubt it. They are using cuda and currently there is no easy way to go from cuda to ATI methods like OpenCL. ATI is partly to blame here for not going after the professional market the way nvidia has done.

Time to find a nVidia card comparable to my HD4850 then.

 

[Fox5]

Weren't the cs5 cuda features limited to quadros and a few of the higher end nvidia cards? I dont think anything below a gtx 260 has support, it might be a cuda version restriction.

 

[angry hampster]

How does Photoshop CS5 respond to quad-core processors? I've been getting a lot more photo work and have considered ditching my E8500 for a quad core if it's worth it with CS5.

 

[olds]

Gimp can do the same thing and it's free! That said.. it's still an awesome feature.

I find GIMP incredibly unintuitive and I am looking to upgrade from CS2 PS to CS 5 PS for $199.

 

[Crusty]

I find GIMP incredibly unintuitive and I am looking to upgrade from CS2 PS to CS 5 PS for $199.

I agree the interface kinda blows, it's definitely something that takes getting used to. Gimp 2.6 has some new changes that make the UI more cohesive by removing some of the windows and menus and consolidating them and there are more changes in the pipeline. Can't complain for being free though!

 

[EarthwormJim]

Weren't the cs5 cuda features limited to quadros and a few of the higher end nvidia cards? I dont think anything below a gtx 260 has support, it might be a cuda version restriction.

So far the only non-quadro card that Adobe has certified is a GTX-285. I'm curious to see if the GTX-470 or 480 will be included.

http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/systemreqs/

 

[Fox5]

So far the only non-quadro card that Adobe has certified is a GTX-285. I'm curious to see if the GTX-470 or 480 will be included.

http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/systemreqs/

Hopefully those are just "tested" cards and not some kind of hard lock against them.

 

[EarthwormJim]

Hopefully those are just "tested" cards and not some kind of hard lock against them.

From what I've read on the Adobe forums, hardware acceleration is not enabled on non-tested cards.

You still benefit from the software (CPU) portion of Adobe's new engine though.

 

[Fox5]

From what I've read on the Adobe forums, hardware acceleration is not enabled on non-tested cards.

You still benefit from the software (CPU) portion of Adobe's new engine though.

That's incredibly lame, but I guess nvidia wants to sell their quadros. Weird that a single geforce made it in.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Wow I"m still using photoshop 6.0. I should consider upgrading.

This is something I will miss if I decide to go with Linux as my main OS. I can't stand gimp, it's a good effort, but I just find it less user friendly, and more tedious to do tasks that are very easy in photoshop.

 

[EarthwormJim]

That's incredibly lame, but I guess nvidia wants to sell their quadros. Weird that a single geforce made it in.

I honestly don't think it has to do with Nvidia wanting to sell Quadros, otherwise a dinky $350-400 Geforce card wouldn't be included. Video encoding/rendering is extremely sensitive work. Since this is professional software, the hardware has to meet certain standards. It could even be frame buffer size requirements matter too.

It definitely has to be real hardware requirements, otherwise a GTX 295 would be allowed. Since it's slower than a GTX 285 when using a single GPU (it's two GTX 275's), that sort of makes sense.

I'm rather bumbed out myself though. Nvidia has been promising compelling cuda programs when my 8800gt came out. Now that they're finally here I can't really use them

 

[EarthwormJim]

Wow I"m still using photoshop 6.0. I should consider upgrading.

This is something I will miss if I decide to go with Linux as my main OS. I can't stand gimp, it's a good effort, but I just find it less user friendly, and more tedious to do tasks that are very easy in photoshop.

Oh you should see the content-aware features coming out in CS5. They are incredible:

http://cs5.org/?p=624

 

[Fox5]

I honestly don't think it has to do with Nvidia wanting to sell Quadros, otherwise a dinky $350-400 Geforce card wouldn't be included. Video encoding/rendering is extremely sensitive work. Since this is professional software, the hardware has to meet certain standards. It could even be frame buffer size requirements matter too.

It definitely has to be real hardware requirements, otherwise a GTX 295 would be allowed. Since it's slower than a GTX 285 when using a single GPU (it's two GTX 275's), that sort of makes sense.

I'm rather bumbed out myself though. Nvidia has been promising compelling cuda programs when my 8800gt came out. Now that they're finally here I can't really use them

GTX285 - 1GB vram
Quadro CX - 1.5GB vram (seems to be a new card specifically recommend for cs5, looks like they're trying to use up old gt200 cores at high prices)
Quadro FX 5800 - 4GB vram
Quadro FX 4800 - 1.5GB (might be the smae card as quadro cx)
Quadro FX 3800 - 1GB vram

It's not a power thing, most of the quadros are weaker than the geforce gtx 285. It could be a min 1GB vram limit, but if that's it I'd hope they'd check for that as some 3rd party cards doubled up on ram. Even still, I'd think the cs5 stuff should still work, just possibly slower or on smaller data sets.

Oh you should see the content-aware features coming out in CS5. They are incredible:

http://cs5.org/?p=624

As always, it must be added that this can be done in the GIMP.
Also, for people who don't like the GIMP interface, check out GIMPShop, it makes it look and function more like photoshop.
For those who don't even need the power that gimp and photoshop offer and want something simply but fairly powerful to use, check out Paint.Net.

Adobe's online version of photoshop might be worth a look see too.

 

[EarthwormJim]

As always, it must be added that this can be done in the GIMP.
Also, for people who don't like the GIMP interface, check out GIMPShop, it makes it look and function more like photoshop.
For those who don't even need the power that gimp and photoshop offer and want something simply but fairly powerful to use, check out Paint.Net.

Adobe's online version of photoshop might be worth a look see too.

I didn't know you could add that into GIMP. Pretty neat how you can get it now, for free!

http://www.blender3darchitect.com/2010/03/free-photoshop-cs5-content-aware-fill-with-the-gimp/

I am honestly baffled at the video card requirements still. There aren't even any mobile offerings certified. There's quite a few people who use laptops for editing, don't ask why they do...