Adolf Hitler

[KidViciou$]

hmmm, i would have to agree with uncouth on this. i agree that he was someone who committed some of the worst attrocities, BUT, look at how charismatic he was. he was able to convince an entire country to do his misdeeds. then it became mroe than one country. now imagine if he applied this to business, or some other form that could benefit the world. but yes, i dod think he might have been crazy, or just in denial. his grandmother or some ancestor of his was jewish. also, hitler was an excellent artist. i have seen some of his paintings, or drawings, cant remember from tv, but they were of nice cities, and stuff like that. nothing crazy.

 

[uncouth]

killing "family members" is no surprise. If you determine that someone should die, it is better/safer to take out anyone who will kill you later, at the same time.

 

[uncouth]

KidViciou$, excellent point about the painting. Hanibal Lecter was also a painter in "Silence of the Lambs". He seemed perfectly sane and was a reasonably nice guy when he was behind lock and key. Perhaps Hitler would have been the same way...

 

[EmperorNero]

actually, in the beginning, the US did indeed do nothing. it was w/ pearl harbor that the US started increasing their involvment - at the time, the allies agreed that germany was to be taken care of first. as americans, we tend to think we are always the good guy, when will more open-minded ppl realize we're not always the white hat cowboy coming in to save the day (trail of tears bring back any recollection?) I've just taken U.S. History 10, and this is all fresh in my mind. as for the adults around here who thinks I'm/Ifronappy is wrong, just remember the truth isn't always revealed right away (ie when you guys were back in highschool/college). I'm not saying the vets were to be blamed, I'm blaming the govt and anyone else who stood by and watched - which includes the catholic church. I'm an american and catholic myself, so don't think I'm bashing americans and catholic, I'm just pointing out the truth.


as to the original question: I think he was a political genius, absolutely brilliant. I'm not praising him, I'm totally disgusted by the holocaust, but it would have been so much better if hitler channeled his brilliance for the advancement and civilization of humanity.

 

[uncouth]

Emperor, your last stanza brings it all home.

 

[Hyper99]

They didn't use any bullet for anyone because they thought it be a waste and be too easy to die
so he starved million to death
some are tortured
other in a death chamber with poison gas
and also used acid as well and pour on top of children and women and men anyone doesn't matter.
He thought of this crazy thing out from his sick mind.
I dont think he know from left to right or top to bottom
he only wanted to kill
it run in his blood
He is satan from hell
He was a monopoly he had total control and was treated no different
from a KING
anyone who is against him is also tortured to death including
his own people, friend, relative, anyone period.
He does as he pleases
it a totally fuked up system.

 

[eflat]

He was a sicko, but not nearly as bad as Stalin. Stalin never gets the credit he deserves, he was responsible for many many more deaths than Hitler.

 

[uncouth]

Hyper99, what is your point? and why are
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[geno]

Friggin evil - Psychotic

He was a smart person though, and that's the only compliment he deserves. He played a whole country and convinced them to turn on an entire religion. One mind was at the heart of it all...kinda scary...

But he was a psycho, no doubt about it, but it's still amazing how one man could acieve the status he did.

 

[EmperorNero]

also, most of the german I heard came from hitler's mouth - it sounded hard, intimidating, and angry so I hated the sound of the language. but I just heard a man speaking in german in a soft, kind voice, and I must say, it's a beautiful language.

 

[uncouth]

no kidding. We all hate Hitler more because he was in power when the US / World got very Anti-Nazi.

Stalin on the other hand was ruler when we were only partially hating the Russians.

Stalin killed quite a hefty amount of everyone. Quite a group.
How was Mussolini?

 

[ChazJuarez]

I certainly don't support hitler, but it wasn't JUST him that did all those terrible things.

The people that followed him are just as bad as he was.

What is really funny is to this day, what he did out in the open is done behind closed doors (except for the killing).

There was an article the other day in, I think USAToday, and they talked about how good looking people make more money for the simple fact that they are good looking. Now, I know it is a FAR stretch to compare that to what hitler and his cronies did, but it is basically the same principle. The choice of one type of person over the other. It happens all the time and everyday.

In addition, I believe that what happened then could happen again. How? It is easy...

Take a country that is doing VERY WELL...then let it all go down the tubes, it doesn't really matter how or why, what does matter is that someone will get blamed. So joe-blow loses his job, all someone has to do is convince joe-blow that Hector Ruiz is to blame for his misfortune and the misfortune of all of joe-blow's friends and it begins to snowball....Say hector is from mexico and joe-blow is from Wisconsin, what do you think will happen next? Doesn't take much for the imagination to start churning.

I personlly know people who happen to be black that actually hold white people accountable for their misfortune (I'm white). When it starts, it's tough to stop.

 

[EmperorNero]

<< The people that followed him are just as bad as he was. >>



my thoughts exactly.

 

[uncouth]

are they though?

would they have done anything if the basement for destruction had not been created by our friend, Adolf?

I think not. So Hitler must be different than the normal German and different than the normal Nazi. Thus he is not equally as bad as every other killer.

 

[geno]

How about this, how would you execute Hitler if you had the chance? I don't even think it'd be possible to get any satisfaction from ending a life of someone who was responsible for the deaths of millions...

 

[uncouth]

did he even personally kill anyone? makes you wonder...

 

[Daedalus]

What he was is not nearly as important as what he is today and that's a lesson to be aware of mass hysteria and hatred coupled with lack of individual objective reasoning.

 

[uncouth]

hmmm.... sleep comes to those who are weak

 

[reitz]

EmperorNero, you're missing several key peices of information. Sure it's true that the truth is not always revealed until later, but you must also always beware of revisionist history.

The US did quite a bit in the beginning. From the first shot that was fired, we gave money, supplies, amunition, and weapons. Americans, unaware of the atrocities being committed, preferred not to get involved in the fighting at first.

You also need to remember that most of Hitler's atrocities were not well known until after the war. People in the occupied countries knew a little of what was going on, but it's not like they could just call up CNN to do an expose. Do a little reading on how shocked the world was to learn of the existence of the Nazi death camps as more and more of Europe was liberated.

 

[ChazJuarez]

Actually, I have to agree with uncouth.

It is more likely people WANTED to follow him then were forced to follow him.

It is VERY easy to control a handful of people through intimidation. It is a completely different story with millions of individuals.

 

[zippy]

It makes me angry just thinking about him! :|

11 relatives of mine were murdered in the Holocaust at his death camps!

An evil, cruel, ignorant, sadist!

 

[uncouth]

Who does remember the Armeynians?

The only reason we remember the Holocaust is we happened to be fighting in that war. Can anyone tell me something about what happened to the Armeynians?

<edit> I can't even spell their name right </edit>

 

[Prodigy^]

I'm quite surprised at you seeing even some of the older ones of you going &quot;Hitler was just a retarded ass&quot;.

IMO, Hitler was a man of fantastic intelligence, who had retorical skill beyond recognition. He was able to spellbind great masses of people, and to convince like noone else. Although his warfare wasn't amazingly succesful, he must have had some abilities as a strategic leader as well. He kept a war against the rest of the world going for over five years, quite an achievement. He pushed science further than anything else had done before, we can thank him for that at least.

 

[Hyper99]

Hitler shot his family one by one and then have them burned
and him at the same time too.No bodys to be found right?
This was a rumor and they maybe right.The american at the time did not do anything until almost all jews were put to death
for 4 1/2 years I think this holocaust crisis went on far for too long
because they were minding their own business they were afraid, they didn't want to be involved in the war coward that is until they didn't have a choice when the Japanese attacked pearl harbor that enrages them otherwise hitler would got so damn powerful that
it wouldn't be what it would be today all thank to the Japanese for they are the caust of the downfall of holocaust I'm telling ya this from what I learned in the world history in 10th grade the american had a long history of killing their own blood brother the north vs south? known as the civil war they fought over slavery where the north is against it the south want slave this is probably why they sat there until the last minute.
because in their mind, war mean death to both side
and they didn't wanted anyone dieing until given no choice
as soon they realized that they got to do something in june of
1944
the pearl harbor attack triggered and alarm the american
of the coming war that they had to be involed then it was almost
too late.
at the same time they hit german they also
bombed japan and end it all in an instant as if some kind of
chain reaction.

 

[EmperorNero]

reitz, it wasn't like his attrocities went totally unnoticed. the high-ups in the govt had an idea of what was going on. patriotism is good, but it gets to me when somebody thinks their country can never be in the wrong. if you want, I'll give you more examples of U.S. attrocities.






<< So Hitler must be different than the normal German and different than the normal Nazi. Thus he is not equally as bad as every other killer. >>



this reminds me of the question &quot;who's more foolish: the fool or the one who follows him?&quot; I got it from Star Wars, Obi Wan Kenobi. but the question does have merits. to me, anyone who supported hitler and his actions were just as bad as he is. it was through his followers that hitler gained power. if he was a bum on the street w/ no one listening to him, he wouldn't have gotten anymore. think of it this way: a bully is beating up on a computer nerd, and there are ppl spectating the fight and cheering the bully on - they are just as bad as the bully.