Adolf Hitler

[ChazJuarez]

From a completely objective point of view, you are right.

Sometimes though, it doesn't matter what the achievements are/were. We probably could have done without him.

If I came up with a way to cure a cold, but in the process I killed 6 million people doing it, I would think that the ends would not justify the means.

 

[uncouth]

june of 1944 was D-Day, not Peral Harbor

Hyper99 do you think you are a poet or something?
your writing style is starting to bug me and I wonder why you are doing that...

 

[uncouth]

you should read The Prince

great book

 

[ChazJuarez]

Hey hyper, u nutcase, what do you know about foreign policy? Anything? Do you know what our policy was during the time of hitler? Can anyone say Isolationism?

There was a REASON we were staying out of the war. Our economy was just beginning to break away from the depression we were in. The last thing we wanted to do was to throw ourselves into a depression again. Fortunately, the war proved that we were in fact underutilizing our factories and that we were more than prepared to do what needed to be done.

It had nothing to do with cowardice you freak.

 

[MrsSkywalker]

EmperorNero: actually, in the beginning, the US did indeed do nothing. it was w/ pearl harbor that the US started increasing their involvment - at the time, the allies agreed that germany was to be taken care of first.

The US had signed a Neutrality Act in 1935 which forbade the US from giving any sort of aid to either side in the event of a war. The act was valid through December 1937, and the first US troops were sent overseas in early 1938. That is why we had no early envolvement. By the time we were able to assist, we kind of had another problem bombing us from behind (Japan). This had to be the focus of our attentions, since there was an immediate threat to our millions of citizens and our own soil. By mid 1942, over 44,000 of our troops had been killed or injured. And in January 1945, 135,323 US troops had been killed, 362,824 were wounded, and 64,148 had been captured. That's over one million of our guys, not counting those who managed to make it through alive and unharmed. That's also not counting the money , supplies, and heavy artillery that we supplied.

I know the US doesn't always play the good guy, but in this situation, I think we did a lot.

 

[Hyper99]

actually, in the beginning, the US did indeed do nothing. it was w/ pearl harbor that the US started increasing their involvment - at the time, the allies agreed that germany was to be taken care of first. as americans, we tend to think we are always the good guy, when will more open-minded ppl realize we're not always the white hat cowboy coming in to save the day (trail of tears bring back any recollection?) I've just taken U.S. History 10, and this is all fresh in my mind. as for the adults around here who thinks I'm/Ifronappy is wrong, just remember the truth isn't always revealed right away (ie when you guys were back in highschool/college). I'm not saying the vets were to be blamed, I'm blaming the govt and anyone else who stood by and watched - which includes the catholic church. I'm an american and catholic myself, so don't think I'm bashing americans and catholic, I'm just pointing out the truth.
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uncourth how is the above better then mine?
I am sorry if it look so broken to you I am unable to keep them
in 80 column.

 

[uncouth]

here is something interesting I just noticed: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=42&threadid=202702

check the Monroe Doctrine. It explains our foriegn policy. We would stay out of Europe as long as Europe stayed out of the Americas. This was written back in the early 1800's is still our basic common denominator for policy

 

[uncouth]

yeah you are right 80 per column is too short if you are long winded enough. It looks like you are writing with Shakespeare

 

[EmperorNero]

mrsskywalker, do you think it was totally necessary to keep a treaty while 6.5 million jews were being slaugtered? (the figures are just for jewish ppl, catholics were also victims and many others but jewish made up the majority so I'm only mentioning them for simplicity). and other nations would have granted immunity to the US if we did break the treaty to fight for humanity. my original point still stands: the US knew about it but didn't react until forced to.

EDIT: sorry, chazjurez, got my history mixed up...my stupid mistake.

 

[Tominator]

Hyper99 Ease up!



<< This was a rumor >>

not a fact in other words.



<< The american at the time did not do anything until >>

American pilots broke the law to enlist in the Canadian Airforce. You are forgetting 100 lendlease destroyers given to England. Don't forget the millions of tons of food, medical supplies and war material shipped to Europe using US ships long before the US choose to get officially involved.



<< this holocaust crisis went on far for too long >>

The German Jews were loyal to Hitler! Even while they were being exterminated they went to the slaughter not believing it was happening.


Stalin exterminated many more people than Hitler. Where was Europe?

Where was Europe during the Spanish Revolution?

Looks like you need to go back to school...

 

[uncouth]

Emperor, you gotta remember it wasn't like one day there were 6.5 mil Jews dead. This kind of thing took time and thus was hard to keep track of until after the war when they dug up the corpses...

 

[ChazJuarez]

Uh, nero, I would suggest you pick up a up to date history book.

WWI happened roughtly 10 years BEFORE the depression. Have you perhaps ever heard of the 1929 crash. Pretty much triggered the largest depression in this country. Although, the crash in '87 actually lost MORE money!

hyper99, are you even an American? Are you from another country? Your writing suggests that you are not from this country (U.S.).

 

[Hyper99]

uncourth I will show you that I can write like you guy if I wanted to I am not doing this to bug you, my writing just is different i try to keep them within that column you know didnt want it to be like run on sentense. I thought it was easier to read. so ya think this is better fine look at me now. I will start to write like you. hehehe i see what i did wrong I keep pressing the enter key after done with sentences now you want me to crammed it up like this; be like the crowd. Very well you got your wish, let take for instance the way the american write are no different from mine even worst in some cases. I've been here for nearly all my life since I was 9. since I was in 3rd grade. some can't spell right and I have to guess what it is.
I tell you my spelling are the best
without looking in the dictionary even word that I don't know I guess right 99 percent of the time that where I am gifted.
I have completely forgotten my language to adapt to the American way
No more Chinese, No more Cambodian either and haven't so
for the last 18 year I been in America.

 

[MooseKnuckle]

My GF has a Hitler moustache that I don't mind. As for the man himself, I have extreme dislike for what he did.

 

[EmperorNero]

mrskywalker, also, don't forget that history is written by the victors. do you think american textbooks are quick to point out our mistakes? for example, in my history text, there was this 1 little dinky paragraphy euphamizing our attrocities in the Trail of Tears. then it has a whole unit blasting Hitler left and right about the holocaust - sure, he totally deserves all that, but I believe that the Trail of Tears didn't get enough attention simply b/c the US were the bad guys. another example of how OUR version of history tends to sweep negative views of the US under the rug is the Massacre of Wounded Knee. probably not a lot of ppl know that, or even heard of it. as for the ones that do, kudos to you.

 

[MrsSkywalker]

EmperorNero: Personally? I think we should have said &quot;Screw the freakin' Act!&quot; I also believe that we should have offed Hussein a decade ago. However, this is the type of anarchy that cause the weakening of countries and their promises. If we make pacts and then break them, we would never be taken seriously as an ally, a strong political and military force, or as a country. When countries start breaking pacts, treaties, and promises, it doesn't prevent or aid wars, it causes them. My feelings are from the hatred I feel for what happened, not from common sense. As leaders of the country, Roosevelt and the Senate had to act &quot;responsibly&quot; and honor the act.

 

[ioverclockmymouse]

I say if Hitler were alive he would be the CEO of Rambus. Hitler's idea: Lets attack Russia during the winter! (incredibly stupid idea, but he tried to convince everybody it was smart). Rambus idea: lets sell a product that is barely better but triple the cost of SDRAM! (incredibly stupid idea, but they are trying to convince everyone it is smart) . Ow and hunt down the creators of wolfenstein....

 

[uncouth]

Hilarious are you Hyper99. May we move on in peace to a better day.

 

[EmperorNero]

chazjurez, you're right...I got my history screwed up, I edited the post accordingly.

 

[ChazJuarez]

No problemo muchacho.

Yo comprendo.

 

[uncouth]

In Finale,

People can only be Judged by their actions

Hitler instigated the death of many people and thus is evil.

This thread is meaningless...

good afternoon, good evening, and good night!

 

[EmperorNero]

<< The German Jews were loyal to Hitler! Even while they were being exterminated they went to the slaughter not believing it was happening. >>



I don't know about that - I've learned that the Germans had extraordinary ways of tracing a family's roots. the non-jewish-germans were amazingly accurate in seperating the germans from the german jews so the german jews were actually the ones being persecuted, not the ones doing the persecution.

 

[ChazJuarez]

Uncouth, I don't believe it is meaningless. It can never be meaningless when the exchange of ideas and opinions occur.

Now, it may not be worth discussing to you, but then that would be ok.

 

[MrsSkywalker]

Trust me, EmperorNero, I am an avid hater of revisionist history. I know the US has had it's fair share of being the bad guy. I'm not denying that at all. I'm only saying that the US did what they whought best at the time. Don't you forget that it is very easy for us to say what should have happened or what we could have done better. We have the luxury of knowing the outcome of the war. However, it is a very hard thing for a president to have to make the decision to send a few million of our boys out, knowing that not nearly that many would come back. I think we did the best we could at he time, with such little knowledge of the vast scale of the situation.

 

[EmperorNero]

I gotta get my hiney off to bed now. disclaimer: don't get me wrong, the vets who fought courageously in WW2 deserves all the recognition that are endowed to them. but the US, as in the govt, wasn't much of a hero in the beginning.

EDIT in response to mrsskywalker: yes, I know it was difficult of roosevelt to send troops off into war so I'm going to give the govt the benefit of the doubt on that one. and the reason I arguing about this in the first place is b/c some ppl here were too quick to flame off at that girl (I don't remember her name) for saying the US didn't do anything, which was true. granted, there were restrictions, but in my humble opinion, the slautering of groups of ppl b/c they were different is much stronger than those restrictions.