[ADVICE] Fried 1155 mobo now I have to rethink my build

[psygnosis]

Hi,
my UPS die on september and because I had no money to buy a new battery for it, a sudden change in voltage, fried my Asus P68 LGA 1155 mobo.
DDR3 16gb corsair, AMD R7 265 and cpu i7 2600K @ 2.8Ghz seems fine.

Now I have to rethink my build:

First I use my PC for gaming (only 1080p) and working (photoedit/webdevelop). and Second: I know that the R7 265 is the worst GPU ever made.

- In a first time I thougth to buy just an 1155 mobo, but it's so rare and expensive!! for 60€/80$ I can buy an used microATX asrock ugly mobo I don't think it's worth also if my i7 2600k is a really good cpu and - as u will read - I can't find a decend substitute.

- Then I thought to buy an i5 kaby lake but so many ppl advice me to don't throw my money out of the window for a kaby lake nowdays.

So, because my budget is pretty pretty low - max 350€/400$ but if I could spend less is better - I though to go for:

• Ryzen 5 1600
• i3 8350k

many advice me ryzen 'cause the AM4 socket is future-proof but, watching many youtube videos I'm pretty confused about it.
With high end GPU, ryzen is alwasy always always a bottleneck, and on gaming it performs worst then intel. And seems there is really no reason, beside AM4 to chose Ryzen.
And to make things more complicated, even a i3 8100 performs better then a ryzen 3 1200, the only things I've notice is that on Ryzen the CPU load is less than Intel.

BTW the question is: for a "gaming" (I play everything, overwatch included) pc with low budget and a r7 265, that maybe will be substitute with newer midrange gpu (560/570 or 1060 3gb or something new if will be released), and a normal 1080p 60Hz led monitor, is better to go for ryzen 3, ryzen 5, i3 8100 or i3 8350k (in gaming this two perform IDENTICAL)?

I can't afford i5 coffee lake...I just try to find the best I could buy now, that makes me work and play decent BUT MOST IMPORTANT not inferior to my old i7 2600k.

 

[ao_ika_red]

Here's another thought. How about having Intel Devil's Canyon SKU combo (that's Z97 board and i7 4790k / i5 4690k) ? Because DDR4 price is on its all time high and you can save some budget by keeping your DDR3 memory on your build.

 

[raghu78]

Get the Ryzen 5 1600. It will be faster than 8350k in games and productivity. Investing in 4C/4T in 2018 is a very bad idea. The R5 1600 can overclock to 3.8 Ghz on even the stock cooler without much difficulty.

 

[ZGR]

My friend was in the exact boat. His cat peed on his case, and his GPU (R7 270) and his motherboard (Z97) died


DDR4 is pricey and old motherboards are too. There is no good answer.

If you go AMD and want to game, you will want DDR4 3000 MHz minimum. This is not cheap, but it provides a huge boost to gaming performance.

Buying any new quad core is just a weird idea to me when AMD's R5 1600 is so cheap. It makes all Intel chips seem poor value except for the i5-8400 and up.

My friend ended up buying a used H97 board. He lost his overclock and still has no dGPU, but it was a cheap fix.

How cheap are H61 boards? Edit: cheap

 

[Burpo]

Refurb Z77 ~ $86 & new GPU makes most sense..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-GA-Z77...513001?hash=item1c8997d3a9:g:PL4AAOSw-olaQhbT

Brand new B75 ~ $74

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-For-In...d=122567513001&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

 

[StinkyPinky]

Here's another thought. How about having Intel Devil's Canyon SKU combo (that's Z97 board and i7 4790k / i5 4690k) ? Because DDR4 price is on its all time high and you can save some budget by keeping your DDR3 memory on your build.

I think this is the way to go although get the 4770 or 4790k.

 

[Shmee]

If you can get a good, cheap Z77 motherboard, that is probably the best option for now.

 

[psygnosis]

I do some search on europe ebay and the results are:

- H61 mATX cost 55€/60€ (70$)
- Z77 cost 100€ (130$)
- ryzen 5 + b350 + ddr4 (2400Mhz) cost 340€ (400$) but I have an exacore.
- intel i3 8350k + cheap mobo + ddr4(2400Mhz) cost 300€ (370$) and I have a new 4 core apparenty worst then my old i7 2600
- an i7 4770 cost almost 300€ (370$) only the CPU here in europe, while in US the price are resonable much lower.
- someone advice me to buy an i5 8400 for the same price of an ryzen 5 1600 (I saw some bench and again intel wins as always and I don't understan why with a lower freq)
So the problem is:
buy a mATX at 70$ isn't worth in my opinion 'cause I must use 2 dimm slot and end up with 8gb of ram (on my old config I had 16gb on 4 slots).
buy a 4C/4T isn't worth.
a Devil Canyon build it's so damn expensive here in europe. =( and I don't know why
so the only cheap way that is also worth is ryzen 5.

What about ryzen 3? is not worth also for the 4C?
DDR4 2400Mhz is the only one I could afford
why ryzen is so slow compared to intel in mid range gaming 1080p? also on the same frequence?

 

[ZGR]

Ryzen paired with DDR4 2400 is a bad pairing. It really hampers its gaming performance.

The Intel i3-8350k is also very poor value when the i5-8400 exists.

Basically the R5 1600 and i5-8400 are the only CPUs I would look at for a new build.

Would it be cheaper to get a mITX board and 2x8gb DDR3? You should just worry about getting back up and running at the lowest cost imo. Then I would start saving for a new build.

If you are really concerned about Ryzen gaming performance, save up for the Intel 8400 + Z370; but both platforms are excellent value. I doubt you would notice the difference, especially if you game below 100hz.

 

[psygnosis]

I find this interesting articlehttps://www.techspot.com/review/1514-core-i5-8400-vs-overclocked-ryzen-5-1600/page3.html
https://www.techspot.com/review/1514-core-i5-8400-vs-overclocked-ryzen-5-1600/page3.html
https://www.techspot.com/review/1514-core-i5-8400-vs-overclocked-ryzen-5-1600/page3.html
What do u think? as he said in the article i5 cost less compared to fps.

The problem is: Ryzen is a sort of gamble, a leap of faith on AMD, if you want to trust amd for the future go for ryzen... Intel is some sort of solid decision.
I really want to support ryzen and his phylosophy, the overclocking free, and most of all their AM4 support, while Intel will surely change thery socket/chipset next year and most of all it force me to buy a z370 mobo for a cpu that can't be OC so a wast of money (considering that I will never upgrade to another coffee lake cpu with unlocked multiplayer on the next future).

 

[ao_ika_red]

It looks like your eyes are set between Ryzen and CFL. My advice is, listen to ZGR and other members here. Ryzen has comparable performance to Intel's recent architecture (some say Broadwell, others say Skylake performance level) but with a caveat. It needs a fast memory (DDR4-2933 or DDR4-3200 is believed as the sweetspot) and you should check board's memory QVL (Qualified Vendor List) because there's some memory compatibility issue with Ryzen.

 

[psygnosis]

It looks like your eyes are set between Ryzen and CFL. My advice is, listen to ZGR and other members here. Ryzen has comparable performance to Intel's recent architecture (some say Broadwell, others say Skylake performance level) but with a caveat. It needs a fast memory (DDR4-2933 or DDR4-3200 is believed as the sweetspot) and you should check board's memory QVL (Qualified Vendor List) because there's some memory compatibility issue with Ryzen.

If I had to think about compatibility issue, memory only at 3200 (that are unavaible in my country and really expensive), and the hope that AMD will make performace increment, it's better to go for intel, yes I lose OC, but at least I have a solid architecture with no ram issue, no hope that will last at least 2 year before die like all intel architecture and force me to buy everything again for an upgrade.
Amd really offer me more, more core, more OC, B chipset, but the things seems not so shiny as it seems.
I just want something new, similar or better to my 2600k and for now only 1600 and 8400 are the best option, one is full of caveat the other solid but not so futureproof

 

[VirtualLarry]

it's better to go for intel, yes I lose OC, but at least I have a solid architecture with no ram issue,

The breaking news is that ALL Intel CPUs for the last 10 years have serious security bugs with their speculative execution, and that to fix it, they take a 35% hit in performance. Ryzen is (so far?) unaffected, and AMD is claiming that it is not affected.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

 

[ao_ika_red]

The breaking news is that ALL Intel CPUs for the last 10 years have serious security bugs with their speculative execution, and that to fix it, they take a 35% hit in performance. Ryzen is (so far?) unaffected, and AMD is claiming that it is not affected.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

I believe at this point, that 35% performance hit is the worst case scenario. We have to wait until next week when proper patch is distributed to end users and tested by credible sources (AnandTech (Ian Cutress, especially) should be good at this).

 

[aigomorla]

Current ddr4 prices will make you cry....
And no one knows when they will come back down...

also dont bother looking at anything lower then an i5-8400 for cfl.
Infact i would rather get a i5-8400 non K any day of the week over an i3-8350k.

But that would be very tight on your budget especially with current ddr4 prices..

 

[DrMrLordX]

Doesn't look like most desktop applications are affected much by the Meltdown patch. Maybe some stuff like Cinebench.

 

[PingSpike]

Refurb Z77 ~ $86 & new GPU makes most sense..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-GA-Z77...513001?hash=item1c8997d3a9:g:PL4AAOSw-olaQhbT

Brand new B75 ~ $74

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-For-Intel-B75-LGA-1155-Desktop-Motherboard-DDR3-16GB-M-ATX-Mainboard-USB-3-0/263141506538?_trkparms=aid=555018&algo=PL.SIM&ao=2&asc=41375&meid=5702504430f44cdc81d141d7df5b902f&pid=100005&rk=4&rkt=6&sd=122567513001&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Yep. It sucks paying new prices for refurb boards but its still the cheapest way to get back up and running. IMO, don't bother getting a new quad core, save your pennies and hope DDR4 goes down in price some in the mean time. Its just not worth spending a lot of money on DDR4 to get onto another platform with another quad core. If you're happy with a quad core now don't throw away a ton of money just to end up with another quad core.

And yes, we don't have a lot of info on what kind of performance impact meltdown will actually have at this point. You may end up regretting jumping to another Intel platform right now because the benchmark numbers we have for games are now obsolete.

 

[Rifter]

I find this interesting article
https://www.techspot.com/review/1514-core-i5-8400-vs-overclocked-ryzen-5-1600/page3.html
What do u think? as he said in the article i5 cost less compared to fps.

The problem is: Ryzen is a sort of gamble, a leap of faith on AMD, if you want to trust amd for the future go for ryzen... Intel is some sort of solid decision.
I really want to support ryzen and his phylosophy, the overclocking free, and most of all their AM4 support, while Intel will surely change thery socket/chipset next year and most of all it force me to buy a z370 mobo for a cpu that can't be OC so a wast of money (considering that I will never upgrade to another coffee lake cpu with unlocked multiplayer on the next future).

Calling ryzen a gamble and intel solid after yesterdays security issues came to light is , well, laughable.

 

[aigomorla]

Calling ryzen a gamble and intel solid after yesterdays security issues came to light is , well, laughable.

the guy is a gamer and he games below 1440p.

This niche itself is dominated by Intel.
And the security hole honestly hasnt yet been shown to even apply to the average gamer consumer.
Its more leaned on corporate linux systems.

When was the last time you saw a game in linux?

And im sure the user meant ryzen is a gamble because the current boards for it is EOL... end of line.
Meaning the next time AMD comes out with new chips, they will also come out with new boards.

Well i guess same can be said about Coffee Lake and the Z370, however intel's slides speculated a octocore may come out in the later renditions, and that will probably be a Z370 board, hence he can extend his upgrades past that.

 

[Rifter]

the guy is a gamer and he games below 1440p.

This niche itself is dominated by Intel.
And the security hole honestly hasnt yet been shown to even apply to the average gamer consumer.
Its more leaned on corporate linux systems.

When was the last time you saw a game in linux?

And im sure the user meant ryzen is a gamble because the current boards for it is EOL... end of line.
Meaning the next time AMD comes out with new chips, they will also come out with new boards.

Well i guess same can be said about Coffee Lake and the Z370, however intel's slides speculated a octocore may come out in the later renditions, and that will probably be a Z370 board, hence he can extend his upgrades past that.

He also said he does work on his PC, depending on what exactly that work entails he could be hit very little or very hard by the security issue. In any event more testing will need to be done before we know for sure how much performance impact for intel CPU's will be, and under which exact workloads. Or you could not worry about it and go AMD and avoid the whole mess.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The breaking news is that ALL Intel CPUs for the last 10 years have serious security bugs with their speculative execution, and that to fix it, they take a 35% hit in performance. Ryzen is (so far?) unaffected, and AMD is claiming that it is not affected.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

Only for a program written specifically to spend all of its time making kernel calls to force clearing the virtual memory table.

For gaming and general productivity the speed hit will be more like 2-5%, meaning the faster intel CPUs will still be faster per core than AMD.

If the 2600K is undamaged, I'd be tempted to go with the H61 board for $70. I was using my 2500 non-K at stock speed for 1080p gaming up until a couple of weeks ago when I finished my Coffee Lake build.

The first purchase (that would have saved doing anything) should be a good $20 surge suppressor.

 

[aigomorla]

+1 with above.... 70 dollar board to hold you off until DDR4 prices drops would probably be your ideal solution given your budget.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Also, in the US you can buy "off lease" used computers from Dell, HP, Lenovo that come with a short warranty. An off-lease 2500 / 2600 PC would include the motherboard, RAM, CPU and might be pretty cheap for something that old.

 

[DrMrLordX]

the guy is a gamer and he games below 1440p.

This niche itself is dominated by Intel.
And the security hole honestly hasnt yet been shown to even apply to the average gamer consumer.
Its more leaned on corporate linux systems.

When was the last time you saw a game in linux?

And im sure the user meant ryzen is a gamble because the current boards for it is EOL... end of line.
Meaning the next time AMD comes out with new chips, they will also come out with new boards.

Well i guess same can be said about Coffee Lake and the Z370, however intel's slides speculated a octocore may come out in the later renditions, and that will probably be a Z370 board, hence he can extend his upgrades past that.

I would just like to add, that the patch for Meltdown doesn't seem to affect gaming performance at all, at least according to preliminary benchmarks using the "emergency" Win10 patch.

Saying current AM4 boards are EOL is strange. Who came up with that? Yeah AMD is launching 4-series boards soon, but all indicators show that x370 and B350 at least should be able to handle all Ryzens up to Ryzen 2. Hell the firmware updates for Ryzen+ are already rolling out for existing AM4 boards.

 

[Mockingbird]

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