advice RE: desktop

in64tel

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hello world,

I've been looking into purchasing a new computer for the last month or so and have done a bit of research into the latest and greatest. Though I have never build a computer from scratch I have disassembled and reassembled my own for entertainment/learning value, so I think I am competent enough to build a custom. I used to avidly game but my hardware is insufficient for the task now. I, like most, am looking for a "bang for buck" scenario, though I have approximately 3,000 available to spend I am looking to purchase a television as well, thus limiting my computer budget, unless I decide to forgo that expense in order to attain some insanely powerful PC w/ superb monitor.

The question boils down to finances and performance. Here are my options:

1. Buy a Dell Studio maxed out with 8GB 800mHz RAM and a 2.83 or 3.00 GhZ C2Q
+ Dell monitor 24" (cheapest video card, upgrade with the 4830 I have in my fried desktop)
total comes down to approximately 1300-1400)$, not including discount codes

actually see the 3.0GhZ refurb for 999, no monitor!

2. that slick new HP firebird with 4GB of RAM and same specs as Dell, except with the SLI'd video cards. Turn off for me is the notebook-class HDD. But I really do like the looks, and the liquid cooling (inducing optimum silence), of course for this I must pay a premium.

I don't know of anyone with hands on experience with this thing, does the price justify it? Honestly I don't have a lack of space at this point so the fact that it is small is not a big plus for me. Though I hear it is extremely power efficient, and I would end up saving 700 dollars over the course of 2 years. If you do own it how do you like it?

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A custom build, based upon the core i7 processor. I would be ashamed building anything less. I pretty much have the parts picked out at this point if I were to tally it up it would end up costing approximately 2,000 maybe a pinch more. Naturally this would provide extreme levels of power and I likely wouldn't need a new machine for a couple of years.

Though this is not a build advice thread I thought perhaps I ought to fill out the form anyhow, seeing as it would be pertinent should I choose a custom build.

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

Gaming (BTW, who here knows, what specs does one need in order to play CRYSIS @ the absolute MAX settings with framerate @ 30+ with AA on on a 1080p monitor?)

Photo-edit, movie-edit, web design, office application, music dev, media center

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

0 - 2,400

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

United States, Calif

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc, etc, etc, you get the picture.

nah

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

nope

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.

All over the net.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

Naturally

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?

After the release of i7 950, 975.

I foresee price drops. Perhaps I may go "all out" and get the 950 itself.
 

ShawnD1

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Originally posted by: in64tel
care to elaborate?

Assuming you enjoy building computers, a custom built computer is a much better choice because it will have higher quality parts. Here are some problems I've seen before:

1). OEM computers often come with extremely low quality power supplies. This means you need to replace the PSU if you want to upgrade the video card. Low quality OEM power supplies will also have poor power factor and efficiency, making it much harder on any UPS system.

2). OEM computers don't have enough hard drive slots. All of the ones I've seen only have 2. In contrast to that, even the shittiest case on Newegg will have 5 or 6 hard drive slots.

4). Every OEM computer I've seen only has 2 ram slots that are both filled. This means you end up throwing ram in the garbage whenever you upgrade your ram. If you built the computer yourself and only used 2/4 ram slots, you could upgrade the ram by just adding another 2 ram sticks; no waste.

5). OEM computers cannot be overclocked.

6). OEM computers have insanely overpriced ram and hard drives. A 1TB hard drive only costs $100, but bastards like Dell will charge twice that.



If you buy the Dell, you'll end up replacing half of it anyway. PSU is replaced because the stock one doesn't even have a 4-pin video card connector. Memory is either upgraded by you or you pay Dell's idiot tax to upgrade the memory. Video card is replaced with a gaming one. You might as well go one step farther and just build the whole thing yourself.
 

in64tel

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1). OEM computers often come with extremely low quality power supplies. This means you need to replace the PSU if you want to upgrade the video card. Low quality OEM power supplies will also have poor power factor and efficiency, making it much harder on any UPS system.

PSU is certainly an issue but not in regards to the HP Firebird, it is designed for extreme power efficiency and comes with 2 cards in SLI.

2). OEM computers don't have enough hard drive slots. All of the ones I've seen only have 2. In contrast to that, even the shittiest case on Newegg will have 5 or 6 hard drive slots.

This may have been a serious issue in the past, but nowadays one can easily obtain an external HDD.

4). Every OEM computer I've seen only has 2 ram slots that are both filled. This means you end up throwing ram in the garbage whenever you upgrade your ram. If you built the computer yourself and only used 2/4 ram slots, you could upgrade the ram by just adding another 2 ram sticks; no waste.

The computer model I mentioned has 4 RAM slots.

5). OEM computers cannot be overclocked.

This is true, unfortunately.

6). OEM computers have insanely overpriced ram and hard drives. A 1TB hard drive only costs $100, but bastards like Dell will charge twice that.

No need to purchase a HD from them as well.

So does anyone here own the firebird?
 

somethingsketchy

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Go with a desktop built yourself. Often times you can catch very good sales if you look around enough. Also you will have more pride knowing you built the desktop yourself, instead of someone from Dell or HP. Just watch on some of the tech sites, like Newegg, Tigerdirect, countless others that people here could recommend. Depending on what you're looking for in a system, you can snag some very nice price discounts (CPU/mobo combos, hdd/OS combos) or even through holiday sales, such as the 4th of July sale, Mother's Day, any random holiday.

I think a lot of people here would agree to build your own desktop.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: in64tel
hello world,

(BTW, who here knows, what specs does one need in order to play CRYSIS @ the absolute MAX settings with framerate @ 30+ with AA on on a 1080p monitor?)

From AT:

PhII 720BE & HD 4870 1GB: 15 min / 33 avg / 48 max at 1920x1200 Gamer 2AA - - - 3.8 OC CF: 19 min / 41 avg / 61 max


There are also #s for the i7 920, Q9550 and PhII 940.

 

vj8usa

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
From AT:

PhII 720BE & HD 4870 1GB: 15 min / 33 avg / 48 max at 1920x1200 Gamer 2AA - - - 3.8 OC CF: 19 min / 41 avg / 61 max


There are also #s for the i7 920, Q9550 and PhII 940.

That's on gamer settings, though. I'm sure framerates would tank if you went to enthusiast.
 

lxskllr

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Re. store bought/self built

When you get into the higher end machines, oems really tend to ream you. They can be great values for an office/family computer, but "gamer" computers cost way more than they do for self built, and the components aren't as good for the money.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: vj8usa
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
From AT:

PhII 720BE & HD 4870 1GB: 15 min / 33 avg / 48 max at 1920x1200 Gamer 2AA - - - 3.8 OC CF: 19 min / 41 avg / 61 max


There are also #s for the i7 920, Q9550 and PhII 940.

That's on gamer settings, though. I'm sure framerates would tank if you went to enthusiast.

I was lazy and had the tab open anyway

The OP should definitely go custom - even if he buys the parts and pays a local shop $200 to put it together.
 

in64tel

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If I were to purchase the parts myself I wouldn't pay for someone else to put them together... I'm not "lazy" by any means, simply trying to figure out what would be the best cost/performance ration. I very much like the HP FIREBIRD because of it's features (to put together a water cooled system myself would cost me an arm & leg). I'm awaiting them to release an update to it... And the SLI'd 9800s seem like they are not bad at all.
 

somethingsketchy

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What kind of 9800's? Because there's quite a difference between GT and GTX+. If you really want performance you should go with the Nvidia 200 series. Hell a couple of 260s wouldn't cost that much (if you look around).
 

in64tel

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Well they're not the as good as the 200 series obviously... But I'm pretty sure they'd be sufficient.

Eh, I'll probably go for the core i7 custom build... can't wait for the 950 to come out.
 
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