Affirmative action before the SCOTUS today

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HomerJS

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It's not racism, just purely random chance that 99% of republicans aren't black... (edit: although I really do wonder about the sanity of that other 1%)
Think Republican support of white nationalists has anything to do with it??
 

K1052

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Though preferential admission for legacy, athletics, or because you were born to parents with a really fat wallet are legit. Fucking clown car institution we've got here saying things should be colorblind in a world that is anything but.
 

brianmanahan

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Though preferential admission for legacy, athletics, or because you were born to parents with a really fat wallet are legit. Fucking clown car institution we've got here saying things should be colorblind in a world that is anything but.

cash rules everything around me
 

Brovane

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Well I dont want to hear anything from conservatards about "Activist Judges" anymore. these guys are it.

The cementing of the Conservative Majority on SCOTUS by the Trump Administration was a huge win by Republicans and I expect it's impact will be felt unfortunately for the next several decades in SCOTUS decisions like this latest one.
 

HomerJS

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Excerpt from the dissent of Justice Jackson. I fully expound later.
I write separately to expound upon the universal benefits of considering race in this context, in response to a suggestion that has permeated this legal action from the start. Students for Fair Admissions (SFFA)has maintained, both subtly and overtly, that it is unfair for a college’s admissions process to consider race as one factor in a holistic review of its applicants. See, e.g., Tr. of Oral Arg. 19.This contention blinks both history and reality in ways too numerous to count. But the response is simple: Our country has never been colorblind. Given the lengthy history of state-sponsored race-based preferences in America, to say that anyone is now victimized if a college considers whether that legacy of discrimination has unequally advantaged its applicants fails to acknowledge the well documented “intergenerational transmission of inequality” that still plagues our citizenry.1 It is that inequality that admissions programs such as UNC’s help to address, to the benefit of us all. Because the majority’s judgment stunts that progress without any basis in law, history, logic, or justice, I dissent.
 

HomerJS

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Instead of race in admissions ask the question,

Are you part of a group that has suffered from historical discrimination or disenfranchisement codified into law by the state? (Yes|No)

I think the outcomes would be the same and race would not be used.
 
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Jaskalas

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They just nuked it from orbit
On its face, selecting people for the color of their skin is terribly immoral.
On those grounds, Affirmative Action "must" be destroyed.

Oversimplified, yes, but people endorse that view for a reason.

To help people, we must broaden our social programs. So that they DO reach those in need and leave no one behind. Only when our survival is not a rat race, will humans find it within ourselves to examine and address systemic bias and racism. Until then, until we provide enough help to all people, we will never look at others as anything more than competition that must be disposed of. We will continue to fail until we ease the pain of our people.
 
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Jaskalas

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Instead of race in admissions ask the question,

Are you part of a group that has suffered from historical discrimination or disenfranchisement codified by the state? (Yes|No)

I think the outcomes would be the same and race would not be used.
That game may play out nicely in a court of law... for now.
But the hearts of men will still be filled with jealousy and rage.
Ever will they look for support to bury it, and its supporters.
 

HomerJS

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On its face, selecting people for the color of their skin is terribly immoral.
On those grounds, Affirmative Action "must" be destroyed.

Oversimplified, yes, but people endorse that view for a reason.

To help people, we must broaden our social programs. So that they DO reach those in need and leave no one behind. Only when our survival is not a rat race, will humans find it within ourselves to examine and address systemic bias and racism. Until then, until we provide enough help to all people, we will never look at others as anything more than competition that must be disposed of. We will continue to fail until we ease the pain of our people.
Conservatives have bitched about AA forever without EVER suggesting an alternative.

Broaden social programs. You mean those same social programs conservatives are always trying to cut?
 

Jaskalas

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Conservatives have bitched about AA forever without EVER suggesting an alternative.

Broaden social programs. You mean those same social programs conservatives are always trying to cut?
Why would they want an alternative?
They embrace the rat race. They want people to hate and to kill each other for meager scraps.

Ours must be a clear policy to change this situation entirely. To sweep them of their legs and smother the motive for their jealously and hatred. Our "live to work" society is sick to its core, breeding hated of others. The path we would take to escape it is not meek or achieved through small steps. It takes a bold leap onto a whole new paradigm before people stop looking at "handouts" as something they need to seize and control for themselves.

I point to the desire behind their actions and a means to neutralize their hold over the general populace. Practically speaking, we will never have the power to make such changes. But ideally, we would at least know what we need to fight for, the goals we wish to achieve, and a means by which we could achieve them - if we could. The status quo will not avail us.
 
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I can't say I was in favor of this as a general policy. It would be different if one could show a college was discriminating against certain peoples and a court imposed quotas as a sort of consent decree.

But at the school level, we need to focus on education to get student prepared for colleges, rather than just to pass tests to make sure the schools continue to get funding.
 
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If they would concentrate on reasonable tuitions so that students could afford them, we wouldn't need either this or the loan situation. But that doesn't get professors and administrators their mansions.
 

sportage

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The high court works in mysterious ways. First a bad, then something to appease. With this as the bad, I expect the court will now rule favorably on Biden's college debt forgiveness. They're funny that way.
 

Homerboy

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On its face, selecting people for the color of their skin is terribly immoral.
On those grounds, Affirmative Action "must" be destroyed.

Oversimplified, yes, but people endorse that view for a reason.

To help people, we must broaden our social programs. So that they DO reach those in need and leave no one behind. Only when our survival is not a rat race, will humans find it within ourselves to examine and address systemic bias and racism. Until then, until we provide enough help to all people, we will never look at others as anything more than competition that must be disposed of. We will continue to fail until we ease the pain of our people.
In a perfect world with a level playing field, we wouldn't need AA.
We grow closer to a perfect, level playing field with AA.
 
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