Afghanistan Doesn't Need More Troops

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I have listened to the debate on Afghanistan in this forum and in the military community and, just like our President, have not yet come to a decision as to whether sending more troops makes sense.

Unlike BO, I do tend to be a decisive guy after evaluating all of the available resources and the prospects for success. But I don't yet have clarity on what we can expect to accomplish in that medieval country in the long run.

As an ex-infantry officer I want to take the battle to the enemy using overwhelming force. I don't like half-measures that might result in casualties and loss. As an ex-civil affairs officer I know that application of sound nation building and population co-option stratagems are a unique force multiplier.

Afghanistan is a feudal nation with a feudal society. While Iraq is a well developed country and with time and the proper application of force, democratization and economic development has great prospects as a free nation, Afghanistan represents something entirely different.

We won an overwhelming military victory almost a decade ago by completely disrupting the ebb and flow of the perpetual Afghan infighting. Special operators fighting alongside warlord allies and regional tribal factions were able to push the theocratic Taliban out but were insufficient to build out a viable, much less modernized, country. So, the natural ebb and flow returned.

Afghanistan is not going to be industrialized. Without a complete transition of the agricultural base it will remain an economy based on poppies and the provision of opium base.

Perhaps it is time to find a creative strategy -

1. Give the fight back to the special operators and secure cross border chase and raid rights from the Pakistanis, themselves under increasing threat.

2. Give the military civil affairs teams the resources and long term fund the decades of time required to modernize, democratize and de-corrupt the governance and the economic development of the country as best as they are able.

3. Be the highest bidder and buy up every last bit of the output of the poppy fields and either destroy the output where it stands or sell the output for legitimate medical purpose by legitimate pharmaceutical companies. This is the cheapest way to eliminate the funding of the Taliban while providing effective and welcome economic support to the Afghan poppy farmer.

4. Prioritize the conversion of the agricultural sector into effective subsistence farming and alternative cash crops.

I know that we will have to go big in Afghanistan if we pursue General McChrystal's counter-insurgency plan. The political and military will of the Democrats in the White House and in the Congress is very, very weak - too weak to pursue McChrystal's course of action for as long as it will take to work.

It is time to be creative, or as the ever optimistic Democrat Senator Harry Reid said about President Bush's military surge in Iraq, "I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense and ? you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows ? (know) this war is lost..." Happy Harry will be saying it again about Afghanistan. And this time it will be true.

Afghanistan Doesn't Need More Troops

By DAVID ADAMS AND ANN MARLOWE
Wall Street Journal
OCTOBER 28, 2009

Cmdr. Adams commanded the Khost Provincial Reconstruction Team from March 2007 to March 2008. He is now the prospective commander of the nuclear submarine the USS Santa Fe. Mr. Adams's views are his alone and not those of the Department of Defense. Ms. Marlowe did four embeds with American forces in Khost during 2007-2008.

From the beginning of 2007 to March 2008, the 82nd Airborne Division's strategy in Khost proved that 250 paratroopers could secure a province of a million people in the Pashtun belt. The key to success in Khost?which shares a 184 kilometer-long border with Pakistan's lawless Federally Administered Tribal Areas?was working within the Afghan system. By partnering with closely supervised Afghan National Security Forces and a competent governor and subgovernors, U.S. forces were able to win the support of Khost's 13 tribes.

Today, 2,400 U.S. soldiers are stationed in Khost. But the province is more dangerous.

Mohammed Aiaz, a 32-year-old Khosti advising the Khost Provincial Reconstruction Team, puts it plainly: "The answer is not more troops, which will put Afghans in more danger." If troops don't understand Afghan culture and fail to work within the tribal system, they will only fuel the insurgency. When we get the tribes on our side, that will change. When a tribe says no, it means no. IEDs will be reported and no insurgent fighters will be allowed to operate in or across their area.

Khost once had security forces with tribal links. Between 1988 and 1991, the Soviet client government in Kabul was able to secure much of eastern and southern Afghanistan by paying the tribal militias. Khost was secured by the 25th Division of the Afghan National Army (ANA), which incorporated militias with more than 400 fighters from five of Khost's 13 major tribes. The mujahedeen were not able to take Khost until internal rifts among Pashtuns in then-President Mohammed Najibullah's government resulted in a loss of support for the militias in Khost and, eventually, the defection of the 25th Division in April 1991.

The mistake the Najibullah government made was not integrating advisers to train the tribal militias and transform them into a permanent part of the government security forces. During the Taliban period between 1996-2001 the 25th Division dispersed amongst the tribes. Many fled to Pakistan.

When the U.S. invaded in 2001, the 25th Division, reformed under the command of Gen. Kilbaz Sherzai, immediately secured Khost. But the division was disbanded by the new Afghan government for fear of warlordism.

Today, some elements of the 25th still work for the Americans as contract security forces. However, the ANA now stationed in Khost is mainly composed of northern, non-Pashtun Dari speakers, and it is regarded as a foreign body. Without local influence and tribal support, the ANA tends to stay on its bases.

Part of this is our fault. We built the ANA in our own Army's image. Its soldiers live on nice bases and see themselves as the protectors of Afghanistan from conventional attacks by Pakistan. But to be effective, the ANA must be structured more like a National Guard, responsible for creating civil authority and training the police.

We saw how this could work in the Tani district of Khost starting in 2007. By assisting an ANA company?with a platoon of American paratroopers, a civil affairs team from the U.S.-led Provincial Reconstruction Team, the local Afghan National Police, and a determined Afghan subgovernor named Badi Zaman Sabari?we secured the district despite its long border with Pakistan.

Raids by the paratroopers under the leadership of Lt. Col. Scott Custer were extremely rare because the team had such good relations with the tribes that they would generally turn over any suspect. These good tribal relations were strengthened further by meeting the communities' demands for a new paved road, five schools, and a spring water system that supplies 12,000 villagers.

Yet security has deteriorated in Khost, despite increases of U.S. troops in mid-2008. American strategy began to focus more on chasing the insurgents in the mountains instead of securing the towns and villages where most Khostis live.

The insurgents didn't stick around to get shot when they saw the American helicopters coming. But the villagers noticed when the roads weren't built on time and the commanders never visited.

Meanwhile, the increasing number of raids on Afghan homes alienated many of Khost's tribal elders. The Afghan National Police in Tani and many other districts of Khost were afraid to patrol in their uniforms and official vehicles lest they be killed by insurgents. The ANA in Tani rarely left the district center, which came to resemble a small fortress. Having lost support of the tribes, Badi Zaman Sabari was assassinated on Feb. 14, 2009, by insurgents led by the longtime mujahedeen leader Jalaluddin Haqqani. They are the main belligerents focused on undermining ISAF's efforts in southeast Afghanistan.

A major reason for our slow progress in Afghanistan is that, because of turnovers in leadership and changes in strategy, we continue to fight one-year wars and forget about the long term. When we become fixated on clearing insurgents, we lose focus on the tribes, which are critical to our success. The proper recipe is not clear, hold and build. As we learned in Khost, it is befriend, secure, build governance?and then hold. Without a consistent strategy of enlisting tribal cooperation, more troops will simply find more trouble in the Pashtun belt.
 

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I don't pretend to know if Afgan needs more troops or not. Some time ago (last year or so) I'd read opinion pieces suggesting that, unlike Iraq, it might not be proper for Afgan.

However (IMO) Obama has placed himself in a difficult position. He campaigned on increasing troop levels, nothing has changed (but maybe polling and Dem politics) in the interim to justify a flip-flop. Further, his 'hand-picked' general is telling him an increase is required, it's gonna be hard to refuse him w/o negative consequences

I think he needs to be lucky here, or he's gonna damage himself further.

Fern
 

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Originally posted by: Fern
I don't pretend to know if Afgan needs more troops or not. Some time ago (last year or so) I'd read opinion pieces suggesting that, unlike Iraq, it might not be proper for Afgan.

However (IMO) Obama has placed himself in a difficult position. He campaigned on increasing troop levels, nothing has changed (but maybe polling and Dem politics) in the interim to justify a flip-flop. Further, his 'hand-picked' general is telling him an increase is required, it's gonna be hard to refuse him w/o negative consequences

I think he needs to be lucky here, or he's gonna damage himself further.

Fern

In military matters I am not political. If we are going to spend lives, Obama needs to get out of the political campaigning mind set no matter how hard that is for him to do.

He was never effective in any job he ever held, but he got himself elected President and it is time to him to be a proper Commander In Chief instead of Chief Campaigner.

In this case he needs to do what is right and I don't think he has a clue as to what that is and his political advisers have no idea either.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
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In this case he needs to do what is right and I don't think he has a clue as to what that is and his political advisers have no idea either.

No, of course he doesn't know what to do from the military perspective. He's not trained in that.

But because he's decided to dither instead instead of acting upon the advice of his hand-picked general seems obvious to me he's weighing the politics and the polling etc.

Fern
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: PJABBER
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In this case he needs to do what is right and I don't think he has a clue as to what that is and his political advisers have no idea either.

No, of course he doesn't know what to do from the military perspective. He's not trained in that.

But because he's decided to dither instead instead of acting upon the advice of his hand-picked general seems obvious to me he's weighing the politics and the polling etc.

Fern

I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but as all of the major policy initiatives of the Administration are couched as requiring immediate action I have a feeling conducting war is not seen as a big deal in this White House.

Particularly as it flies in the face of his Nobel. I would love to be at the prize award ceremony if he decides to go along with McChrystal's recommendations.

I have to sign off for a while as dinner calls, but this is another recent article that illustrates the difficulties of a place like Afghanistan -

Building an Army Under Fire
by Austin Bay

Austin Bay holds the rank of Colonel (Armor) in the U.S. Army Reserve. In 1999 Bay served as deputy commander of a Hurricane Mitch recovery operation in Guatemala.

Bay is now retired from the US Army Reserve, but was recalled to active duty and served in Iraq in 2004. For this tour of duty in Iraq, he was awarded the Bronze Star for meritorious service.

Bay has a B.A. from Rice University and a Ph.D. in English and Comparative Literature from Columbia University. He is a graduate of the U.S. Army War College. He currently teaches for The University of Texas' Plan II Undergraduate Honors Program.


Maintaining a competent military organization is a challenge for wealthy nations, even in times of relative peace. Bureaucrats and politicians hijack budgets as politically connected officers wrangle promotions at the expense of creative, forward-thinking war-fighters. War reveals the organizational corruption, stagnation and decay, and this institutional decline exacts a stiff price in soldiers' sweat and blood.

The "rich man's security challenge," however, pales when compared to the multidimensional security problems of the impoverished, fractured and terrorized. Afghanistan is a pertinent case, but only one of many on the planet. Africa has at least a score of different-yet-similar situations -- the different being varied cultural and historical contexts; the similar being embittered factions (ethnic, religious, ideological), weak government institutions, corruption, violence and lethal weaponry.

The United Nations' attempts to forge an effective national army in the Democratic Republic of Congo is one example. Burundi is another, where building a new military requires slowly dismantling the old Burundian Army (an institution once dominated by the Tutsi tribe) and integrating former Hutu guerrillas into its ranks.

Creating a disciplined army in a country like Afghanistan, which confronts terrorist assaults, tribal guerrilla attacks, criminal intimidation and political fragmentation is difficult, but it is not a new difficulty and it is not an impossible task. The process however, is time-consuming, requires extraordinary patience and flexibility, and moreover requires balancing the immediate demands of the ongoing war with achieving long-term goals.

Achieving that balance between the immediate needs and the long-term good is always tough. During the American Revolution, George Washington understood his army's mere existence was a strategic strength, and that his inadequately equipped and spottily trained forces had to be used wisely.

Revolutionary America's motivated militiamen needed time to gain experience and become a competent, disciplined army. Yet many American political leaders, quite understandably, constantly pressured Washington to attack the British Army.

Washington fought 220 years before the advent of the 24-7 news cycle. After a week of frost-bitten video from Valley Forge, the strategic geniuses at ABC, NBC and CBS would have demanded Washington's resignation -- and then become colonial subsidiaries of the BBC.

In the aftermath of Turkey's defeat in World War I, Kemal Ataturk, the key nationalist leader, faced the problem of reconstituting a credible military in the midst of Allied occupation. Ataturk had Turkish Army forces in eastern Anatolia as a cadre for a new organization, but even that formation was plagued by Allied control officers attempting to disarm it.

When Greek forces attacked Anatolia (after occupying Smyrna/Izmir), despite public clamor for a counterattack, Ataturk chose to delay the Greeks then pull back because his new army lacked training and weapons. That took foresight and enormous political will.

The process of building a military organization would be long and slow even if immediate security needs are met and worried politicians placated, as creating human skills and individual and group confidence in those skills is the core of the process.

In Afghanistan and the Congo, foreign trainers confront not only linguistic problems but illiteracy. Learning to use modern weapons and communications gear becomes much more difficult if the soldier is illiterate -- and some systems absolutely require literacy and numeracy.

Afghanistan is entering its fourth decade of war, and that means for two generations basic education has been an afterthought even in the cities. According to StrategyPage.com, only 25 percent of Afghan recruits are literate. However, "NCOs (non-commissioned officers -- i.e., sergeants) need to read," StrategyPage says. This is why U.S. training programs in Afghanistan include literacy classes.

StrategyPage is making a classic point: Effective ground units must have trained and effective NCOs. It takes years to produce these leaders. Surviving combat accelerates the process, but the cost is measured in casualty-causing mistakes.

Snap critics of the training effort in Afghanistan rarely acknowledge Afghanistan's complex context. Afghan Lt. Gen. Sher Mohammad Karimi understands it, and he sees measurable success in dire circumstances. Karimi was the first Afghan to graduate from Sandhurst, was jailed by the communists,and lived in Pakistan until the Taliban's fall in 2001. "We have a very weak economy, and we have been at war for the past 30 years," Karimi recently told Radio Free Europe. "We are now moving forward with international help, and over the past eight years we built the military from zero to having 95,000 soldiers now."
 

Lemon law

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What I question is the almost total bullshit statement of "We saw how this could work in the Tani district of Khost starting in 2007. By assisting an ANA company?with a platoon of American paratroopers, a civil affairs team from the U.S.-led Provincial Reconstruction Team, the local Afghan National Police, and a determined Afghan subgovernor named Badi Zaman Sabari?we secured the district despite its long border with Pakistan."

Yet when Obama actually put troops on the ground we discovered that Afghanistan looks vastly different than we thought it looked like from the air. And we instead discovered that an unholy alliance of corrupt Afghan government officials plus the Taliban had already wrapped up 85% of the Afghan countryside as they split the the resultant drug money while they became the defacto government.

In short PJABBER is FOS, we may have wrongly assumed a few paratroops secured a whole province, and now we have discovered how wrong that assumption was.

That does not mean that all of PJABBERS ideas are wrong, but it does mean that that the Nato has flopped, and its going to take more troops, a new strategy, and without a national commitment to win, Afghanistan was lost years ago. IMHO, stamping out the opium trade money is job one. And sadly, the corrupt Afghan government we support is a bigger drug trade rascal than the Taliban.

 

Starbuck1975

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Because the most important factor when managing a military campaign is to make the most politically convenient decision. Everyone is obsessed with Afghanistan becoming "the next Vietnam." If we continue along the path of indecisiveness and political bickering, it certainly will become just that.
 

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
As an ex-infantry officer I want to take the battle to the enemy using overwhelming force.

This explains so much.
 

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I think the top military leaders are basically saying more troops are needed so probably I trust that they are.

Since the head of the military is really a civilian he needs to take closely the advice of his top actual military commanders. I mean really Obama probably has less--in fact I guarantee--he has less military experience than me simply because I've played more RTS and first person shooter games than him, so if I was put in his office I'd have to be pretty sure of myself before dissenting from my main commanders' views on military matters.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I think the top military leaders are basically saying more troops are needed so probably I trust that they are.

Since the head of the military is really a civilian he needs to take closely the advice of his top actual military commanders. I mean really Obama probably has less--in fact I guarantee--he has less military experience than me simply because I've played more RTS and first person shooter games than him, so if I was put in his office I'd have to be pretty sure of myself before dissenting from my main commanders' views on military matters.
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For what its worth Skoorb, McCrystal has become exactly your new military maim commander.

And for what its worth, one of his official first acts has been declare our previous strategy wrongheaded and a sure loser. Something that has been totally borne out by events on the ground.

And given the fact that I have been saying the same thing for years, I am somewhat cheered that Afghanistan may suddenly become winnable. I may not think that McCrystal totally gets it, but still, its infinitely better than the totally failed strategy of the past.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Fern
I don't pretend to know if Afgan needs more troops or not. Some time ago (last year or so) I'd read opinion pieces suggesting that, unlike Iraq, it might not be proper for Afgan.

However (IMO) Obama has placed himself in a difficult position. He campaigned on increasing troop levels, nothing has changed (but maybe polling and Dem politics) in the interim to justify a flip-flop. Further, his 'hand-picked' general is telling him an increase is required, it's gonna be hard to refuse him w/o negative consequences

I think he needs to be lucky here, or he's gonna damage himself further.

Fern

He campaigned on increasing troop levels by two brigades (7,500 or so) and authorized an increase of 21,000 in February, who are there now.

On January 1, 2009, there were less than 35,000 troops in Afghanistan. As of this month, there are now 68,000.

So...that may not be it
 

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Fern
I don't pretend to know if Afgan needs more troops or not. Some time ago (last year or so) I'd read opinion pieces suggesting that, unlike Iraq, it might not be proper for Afgan.

However (IMO) Obama has placed himself in a difficult position. He campaigned on increasing troop levels, nothing has changed (but maybe polling and Dem politics) in the interim to justify a flip-flop. Further, his 'hand-picked' general is telling him an increase is required, it's gonna be hard to refuse him w/o negative consequences

I think he needs to be lucky here, or he's gonna damage himself further.

Fern

He campaigned on increasing troop levels by two brigades (7,500 or so) and authorized an increase of 21,000 in February, who are there now.

On January 1, 2009, there were less than 35,000 troops in Afghanistan. As of this month, there are now 68,000.

So...that may not be it
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The problem here is that standard military doctrine says it takes one occupation troops per 50 in population to run a military occupation having reasonable chance of success.

And if we accept that as valid, right away it tells us that Afghanistan will take 620,000 Nato troops. As it is, Nato has never had 15% of that required number, and now we wonder why Nato flopped. Even if McCrystal gets his extra 40,000 troops, its still leaves Nato with only 20% of what it takes to run a military occupation.

And as they say, while the cats away the mice will play. And now we discover that the Taliban has made full use of that cats away metric.
 

Lemon law

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what, exactly, is that supposed to mean?
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And its fair to state that the PJABBER comment this references is " Originally Posted by PJABBER V
As an ex-infantry officer I want to take the battle to the enemy using overwhelming force."

The point being, its all well and fine to WANT to have overwhelming force, but when you only have 15% of the force that conventional doctrine says you need, its time to forget the illusion that we have overwhelming force. We simply do not and are not willing to commit the resources its takes to have what we WANT.

After that its time to acknowledge the JOS point, sure we can use overwhelming air power, but if we kill 80% of the Afghan population with the vast bulk of them innocent, we lose and can not win.
 

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And its fair to state that the PJABBER comment this references is " Originally Posted by PJABBER V
As an ex-infantry officer I want to take the battle to the enemy using overwhelming force."

The point being, its all well and fine to WANT to have overwhelming force, but when you only have 15% of the force that conventional doctrine says you need, its time to forget the illusion that we have overwhelming force. We simply do not and are not willing to commit the resources its takes to have what we WANT.

After that its time to acknowledge the JOS point, sure we can use overwhelming air power, but if we kill 80% of the Afghan population with the vast bulk of them innocent, we lose and can not win.

First of all, no one here is acknowledging any JOS points. We may as well all acknowledge that our wangs are actually carrots and bury them in the dirt.

I think that pjabber, if he's being honest about his background, has more relevant expertise regarding how to occupy and build a nation, as a civil affairs officer, than any of us.
 

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First of all, no one here is acknowledging any JOS points. We may as well all acknowledge that our wangs are actually carrots and bury them in the dirt.

I think that pjabber, if he's being honest about his background, has more relevant expertise regarding how to occupy and build a nation, as a civil affairs officer, than any of us.
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In a word Nebor, you have posted absolute bullshit, not only has PJABBER said he too is baffled, we have to confront the reality that we have been losing and moving backwards in Afghanistan for eight out of eight years running.

We can debate what is needed to start winning but its does not hide that facts that we are now losing by a multitude of metrics.
 

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As an ex-infantry officer I want to take the battle to the enemy using overwhelming force. I don't like half-measures that might result in casualties and loss. As an ex-civil affairs officer I know that application of sound nation building and population co-option stratagems are a unique force multiplier.
Lessee... where was I before this abrupt forum software switcharoo? Oh yeah, hey maybe you should re-enlist PBlabber? That way, we won't have to hear your bitching for a few years while you bring "overwhelming farce" to the enemy? Kthanx in advance.
 

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Lessee... where was I before this abrupt forum software switcharoo? Oh yeah, hey maybe you should re-enlist PBlabber? That way, we won't have to hear your bitching for a few years while you bring "overwhelming farce" to the enemy? Kthanx in advance.

I encourage you to enlist for the same reason.
 

lupi

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Because the most important factor when managing a military campaign is to make the most politically convenient decision. Everyone is obsessed with Afghanistan becoming "the next Vietnam." If we continue along the path of indecisiveness and political bickering, it certainly will become just that.


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Since I can walk outside and look at Tani, I think my opinion could be considered valid.

The 82nd never secured Khost with 250 guys, that is a load of shit. There was just never anything here to attack. Pakistani Taliban were crossing the border en masse back then and continuing on their way. Now that it is harder to get across the border, they are more apt to sticking around and blowing stuff up here.

The solution is not more troops, but more troops doing stuff. There are thousands of troops sitting on bases not doing a damn thing but drinking coffee all day and finding ways to make life harder for maneuver units. COLs and LTCs who try to implement "COIN" theory without regard for reality. Units who simply have poor commanders who don't take ownership of missions affect those who are trying to make a difference.

The corruption, to Lemon Law's credit, is just as big a problem. The provincial governor is now gone, with no replacement yet chosen. The provincial police chief is gone, and his stand-in is actually trying to do his job. District governors are hit-or-miss, with some being on the level, some being totally corrupt, with most being somewhere in between. The long list of promises made by coalition units in the past, including by the author of that ridiculous self-serving article, which were never acted upon have set us up for failure and alienation from the population.

Lack of leadership starts at the top. Bottom line.
 

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When we took over Iraq, at one time we had about 300,000 troops. We should just pull out of Iraq and come home. If we are not going to take over the country or kill lots of people we have no business being there. Afghanistan is just one giant Poppie Field. Why should we help drug smugglers?
 

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First message under the new system, so please excuse any formatting errors until I get it right!

Historically, civil affairs/military government/nation building was a very specialized function in the military. When territories were conquered and then mostly pacified by line armies, the U.S. Army military government types came in and provided for the re-organization and democratization of government, the provision of public services such as education, health care and policing and often the re-construction of infrastructure.

Consider WWII. On V-E Day, Eisenhower had sixty-one U.S. divisions, 1,622,000 men, in Germany, and a total force in Europe numbering 3,077,000. By the time most of these were sent to the Pacific or back home there were about 130,000 assigned to the U.S. zone, not including Bremen and Berlin. There were 30,000 U.S. Constabulary forces, providing mostly police and security functions. The area was 41,000 square miles. The total area of the four zones was 138,400 square miles. The 1939 population had been 13.7 million. A census in October of 1946 reported a population of 16.9 million for Hesse, Wuerttemberg-Baden, and Bavaria and .5 million for Bremen. These figures included large numbers of refugees, expellees, and released prisoners of war taken into the zone after the fall of 1945, at which time the population was probably about 15.5 million.

The U.S. Army Civil Affairs & Psychological Operations Command (Airborne) currently has approximately 10,000 assigned personnel. The active duty 96th CA Battalion (Airborne) makes up four percent of the US Civil Affairs forces. The remaining 96 percent come from other units in the Army Reserves. Army Reserve Special Forces, CA and Psychological Operations units were mostly integrated by 1989 with the formation of the United States Army Reserve Special Operations Command (and my own experience comes from that era, FWIW.)

A number of active and Reserve special ops and combat arms officers and NCOs got a chance to take command roles in in CA and PsyOps in the late 1980's which led to a much better readiness to lead from the front and provide civil affairs support to the war fighting commanders. Individual CA advisers were attached to company, battalion and brigade commands and went in with the first waves of combat troops (Rangers, airborne infantry) in Panama and Grenada. The lesson learned was that stabilization and rebuilding needs to kick in right away as the use of overwhelming force makes for a likely speedy end to resistance. Haiti, the Balkans and Iraq further confirmed the utility of deploying qualified CA upon initiation of hostilities into combat and, eventually, post-combat arenas.

Civil Affairs units include soldiers with training and experience in public administration, public safety, public health, legal systems, labor management, public welfare, public finance, public education, civil defense, public works and utilities, public communications, public transportation, logistics, food and agricultural services, economics, property control, cultural affairs, civil information, and managing dislocated persons. Except for the last expertise, these skills are derived from working these specialty areas as civilians.

Now, I am not just writing this to give you a history of CA. If we focus on the numbers, we have 10,000 possibly available Civil Affairs types. But, let's say that only 20% of those are the rear area support tail (supply, administration, etc.) That leaves 8,000 "qualified" troops that can be deployed worldwide, the bulk of which are part-time Reservists. Let's say that three quarters of them at any time are going to be in training status in the US, assigned to other roles in other theaters or in some kind of rotation and out of deployable status. That leaves 2,000 possible CA troops to cover both Iraq and Afghanistan. I would be surprised if there were 1,000 actually in theater at any time covering both Iraq and Afghanistan and the vast bulk of them are there for planning, operations, and cultural orientation.

Afghanistan is a very rugged operating environment and extreme operating environment trained units like the 10th Mountain Division and Special Forces are specifically conditioned and trained for this. However, most Reserve Civil Affairs soldiers are not trained up to that level and do not have the inherent capability to operate in the same operational spectrum level as the active Army 96th CA, for example. Three Civil Affairs Foreign Internal Defense/Unconventional Warfare Battalions do exist in the USAR to support SF on CA FID/UW type of missions. But the CA FID/UW BN has been designed to bring more Medical and Engineer support resources down to the SF Operational Detachments working in the FID/UW environment. The medical and engineer assets in the battalion create three Civic Action teams for MEDCAPS, and 1 team for DENTCAPS. Medics, preventive medicine personnel and veterinarians are spread across the three civic action teams in support of SF's civic action mission. Obviously, if there is going to be a ramp up in activity for nation building and not just civic action, the military is going to have to source some rare and specialized talent and then train them up to handle the environment there.

Remember the population and area of Western Germany noted above. Iraq has a population of just over 31 million occupying 169,234 square miles with large urban concentrations and an average density of 184.6/square mile. Afghanistan has a population of 28 million occupying 251,772 square miles for a density of 111.8/square mile. Only Kabul has a population of over 1 million residents, but there is a migration to cities in recent years.

The situation in Afghanistan, a country of abject poverty (approx. $700 GDP per person, compared to approximately $3,600 in Iraq,) extremely poor roads and infrastructure and a state of almost perpetual internecine feuding in isolated regions with difficult terrain, is not an ideal circumstance to deploy typical military CA efforts which most often deal with either DPRE (Displaced Person/Refugee Operations) or are expert in more urban environments.

You have to start looking back to where there was effective support of rural and sometimes isolated populations, which is why I am thinking more in the lines of a fight/train/build Special Forces/Civil Affairs mission than the deployment of ever increasing amounts of line infantry with a heavy footprint supported by inappropriately backgrounded CA and the growing appearance of an occupying power - the one thing the Afghans will unite to resist.

In Vietnam, with an active indigenous resistance, Civil Affairs was a special operations tasking with Special Forces A Detachments being augmented by Civil Affairs-Psychological Operations officers/NCOs. It worked fine in the Central Highlands, the rest of the country had varying results, mainly because as the size of special operations forces grew, the quality was diluted. A much broader scale of integrated effort came from the Civil Operations and Rural Development Support (CORDS) program and because it tied in lots of resources it was mostly successful.

The question is, while Vietnam may be the most applicable model, does the present Administration have the will to engage in the protracted effort required? Think mucho dollars and 10+ years to make a difference.
 
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