African Slave Traders circa 1600ad

[ccbadd]

How many people who are sensitive to slavery acknowledge that the original slave traders includes rival African tribes?

Why is it that Africa gets no share in responsibility of black slavery?

Early Europeans paid money to African tribes for slaves, but white people get ALL the blame?

Slavery is evil and absolutely wrong, but why is it that none of the African parties that actually captured the slaves get ANY of the blame?

 

[Farang]

Since when did they not get any blame?

They might get less blame because the slave trade stopped long before slavery did. There were generations born into slavery and kept there for life and yes, that was pretty much white peoples fault

 

[Phrost Phantom]

Since when did they not get any blame?

They might get less blame because the slave trade stopped long before slavery did. There were generations born into slavery and kept there for life and yes, that was pretty much white peoples fault

Okay, that was extemely ignorant. If you have ever taken any world history class, you would realize that Africa stated the slave trade and ended it. America, Portugal, and all of Europe went where for slaves? Africa. Why? The system was already there. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I agree in that slavery was a bad thing, but forcing the blame on white people is very incorrect. Why else do you thing that world maps dated back to the times of slavery indicate that Africa was a very small land mass? Europeans never went farther than the coast to get a hold of slaves.

I can promise you slavery ended in America long before it ended in Africa. In fact, slavery is still happening in various degrees in Africa.

 

[Farang]

Okay, that was extemely ignorant. If you have ever taken any world history class, you would realize that Africa stated the slave trade and ended it. America, Portugal, and all of Europe went where for slaves? Africa. Why? The system was already there. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I agree in that slavery was a bad thing, but forcing the blame on white people is very incorrect. Why else do you thing that world maps dated back to the times of slavery indicate that Africa was a very small land mass? Europeans never went farther than the coast to get a hold of slaves.

I can promise you slavery ended in America long before it ended in Africa. In fact, slavery is still happening in various degrees in Africa.

I was speaking to slavery in terms of U.S. history. Yea, a lot of bad things happen in Africa and still do. But white people in the U.S. get blamed for slavery not because of them, because white people here bought them and continued to use them well after the trade to America ended

Never said all the blame

 

[ccbadd]

Since when did they not get any blame?

They might get less blame because the slave trade stopped long before slavery did. There were generations born into slavery and kept there for life and yes, that was pretty much white peoples fault

Ever here of Joseph Kony? Slavery still exist in Africa TODAY! America may have been guilty of slavery in the past, but Abe took care of that my friend.

 

[Phrost Phantom]

I was speaking to slavery in terms of U.S. history. Yea, a lot of bad things happen in Africa and still do. But white people in the U.S. get blamed for slavery not because of them, because white people here bought them and continued to use them well after the trade to America ended

Never said all the blame

Find evidence of this, because more slaves went to Portugal then ANY OTHER region. Even that said, the slave trade did not end before Abe Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. The slave trade continued to America up until the end of the Civil War. So, again, that's wrong.

 

[ccbadd]

Never said all the blame

This is all that I am saying, don't blame JUST the white man, black people traded in slaves back then and still do today!

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't know why the whites get all the blame... I guess because not many whites were seen here as slaves.

 

[glenn1]

How many people who are sensitive to slavery acknowledge that the original slave traders includes rival African tribes?

Why is it that Africa gets no share in responsibility of black slavery?

Early Europeans paid money to African tribes for slaves, but white people get ALL the blame?

Slavery is evil and absolutely wrong, but why is it that none of the African parties that actually captured the slaves get ANY of the blame?

Because assigning blame is only worthwhile if the target is actually capable of shame. Those Africans who engaged in the slave trade centuries ago aren't different in any degree than the tribal, kleptocratic, and ethnic cleansing sub-Saharan peoples of today; they've just changed their game from selling other people to female genital mutilation.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

This is all that I am saying, don't blame JUST the white man, black people traded in slaves back then and still do today!

Who are these people that only blame white men? While still contemptable, what difference does it make who sold them? It doesn't absolve the people/cultures who used them of any responsibility, and unless you can show that there's people that don't think the selling of them was wrong your whole attempt at a point is meaningless.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Nope, 18th and 19th century rich white men still deserve all the blame they got.

Case not proven.

 

[ccbadd]

I don't know why the whites get all the blame... I guess because not many whites were seen here as slaves.

Plenty of white slave in ancient Rome and the middle east.

 

[waggy]

Plenty of white slave in ancient Rome and the middle east.

but that was a thousand years ago ..

 

[ccbadd]

Who are these people that only blame white men? While still contemptable, what difference does it make who sold them? It doesn't absolve the people/cultures who used them of any responsibility, and unless you can show that there's people that don't think the selling of them was wrong your whole attempt at a point is meaningless.

I guess you don't pay attention to the world around you as we still have congressmen and women that demand reparations today as we have seen in Rep. John Conyers introduction again this year. Who, alive today, has owned slaves in this country? Just an attempt at "white guilt" and I for one am tired of it. I see it as a form racism and needs to stop. No one is trying to absolve anyone, just stop the blame of people that had nothing to do with it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I don't know why the whites get all the blame... I guess because not many whites were seen here as slaves.

In America, the whites were the one's that bought and shipped the slaves from Africa. If the whites didn't want slaves, none would have been brought to America.

 

[finglobes]

First "legal" slave owner was black:

"Anthony Johnson was an Angolan held as an indentured servant by a merchant in the Colony of Virginia in 1620, but later freed to become a successful tobacco farmer and owner. Notably, he was the first to hold a black African servant as a slave in the mainland American colonies. Upon his death in 1670 a court ruled that he was "a negro and by consequence, an alien", and the colony seized his land....

Slavery was officially established in Virginia in 1654 when Johnson convinced a court that his servant John Casor (also a black man), was his for life. Johnson himself had been brought to Virginia some years earlier as an indentured servant but he had saved enough money to buy out the remainder of his contract and that of his wife. The court ruling in Johnson’s favor resulted in Casor becoming the first state-recognized slave in the Colony of Virginia."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)


Oh and lots of Indians owned slaves too - they fought with the Confederates.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I guess you don't pay attention to the world around you as we still have congressmen and women that demand reparations today as we have seen in Rep. John Conyers introduction again this year. Who, alive today, has owned slaves in this country? Just an attempt at "white guilt" and I for one am tired of it. I see it as a form racism and needs to stop. No one is trying to absolve anyone, just stop the blame of people that had nothing to do with it.

While I don't automatically support Reparations/affirmative action, they are about giving people the opportunities that were denied to them because of their forced low class position. Institutionalized racism was still thriving well into the last century. It has nothing to do with placing blame on current white people.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Since when did they not get any blame?

They might get less blame because the slave trade stopped long before slavery did. There were generations born into slavery and kept there for life and yes, that was pretty much white peoples fault

Sex slavery exists all (from/to) over.

Physical slavery still exists within the African continent


Both blacks inslaving blacks

Also, the wealthy have slaves (not servants) of white females and other nationalities.

Then you have the debatable slaves where someone is forced to work for subsistence and has no way to leave because their documents are being held.

Some parts of Asia have the same issues.

Only because of free press and some "do-gooders" did the issue arise in the western Culture to expose and the suppress/remove it.

 

[Darwin333]

Who gives a fuck? Are you white and have you ever owned any slaves? I've never owned any and I don't know anyone, regardless of race, who does or has owned any slaves so I, nor anyone I know, have absolutely no reason to feel guilty or accept any blame. If a handful of people want to blame me anyway that is there prerogative but frankly it doesn't even register on my give-a-fuck o'meter.

 

[Moonbeam]

Racism is dead in America.....

 

[Orignal Earl]

I can promise you slavery ended in America long before it ended in Africa. In fact, slavery is still happening in various degrees in Africa.

The San Francisco Chronicle reported in 2006 that in the 21st century, women, mostly from South America, Southeast Asia, and the former Soviet Union, are trafficked into the United States for the purposes of sexual slavery.[90] A 2006 ABC News story stated that, contrary to existing misconceptions, American citizens may also be coerced into sex slavery.[91]

In 2001 the United States State Department estimated that 50,000 to 100,000 women and girls are trafficked each year into the United States.

The 2010 Trafficking in Persons report described the United States as, "a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and children subjected to trafficking in persons, specifically forced labor, debt bondage, and forced prostitution."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery#North_America

 

[Darwin333]

I guess you don't pay attention to the world around you as we still have congressmen and women that demand reparations today as we have seen in Rep. John Conyers introduction again this year. Who, alive today, has owned slaves in this country? Just an attempt at "white guilt" and I for one am tired of it. I see it as a form racism and needs to stop. No one is trying to absolve anyone, just stop the blame of people that had nothing to do with it.

You shouldn't let the small irrelevant stuff get your panties all twisted.

 

[Orignal Earl]

 

[EagleKeeper]

Racism is dead in America.....

Racism is not slavery.

Racism is practiced in America by many races against each other.

Some because of habits; other because they have complexes against another race.
Some even want to blame their failures on racism.

 

[jackstar7]

How many people who are sensitive to slavery acknowledge that the original slave traders includes rival African tribes?

Why is it that Africa gets no share in responsibility of black slavery?

Early Europeans paid money to African tribes for slaves, but white people get ALL the blame?

Slavery is evil and absolutely wrong, but why is it that none of the African parties that actually captured the slaves get ANY of the blame?

What prompted this in your brain?