After ~7 years of tailgating...

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: edro

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: edro
The fact is, you are the major factor is casuing the accident. If you had not braked, the tailgater would not have hit you. Because of your premeditated, aggressive braking, you put many lives at risk on the highway, and you committed insurance fraud by not volunteering information to the insurance company (that you caused the accident).

If your conscience is clear, you are the one removed from reality.

I'm telling you, the law does not work the way you think. You could (and probably will soon) say that my parents caused the accident by hiring me. In reality, the way actual lawyers, lawmakers, and judges see things is a little different.

The tailgater caused the unsafe conditions through reckless driving. This endangered my safety. In the course of this he didn't allow enough stopping distance, with the predictable result that he was unable to stop quickly enough.

See, that's why they give out tickets for "following too close". It's too close! I don't know how to state it any clearer than this. I did not cause the accident. At least so said the witnesses who stopped, so say I, and so say two insurance companies after reviewing the evidence.

My conscience is clear, of course. Think twice before you endanger others' lives next time.

You completely avoided my whole point. Without your aggressive, premeditated braking, the accident wouldn't have happened. Can I be "clearer" (sic)?

Am I correct?

Nope, you're still wrong; hence the actual real-world results of the case. You're trying to use fancy language now, but doing it badly. The braking was not aggressive, and you have no reason to say that. It was not "premeditated"; what a bumpkin you are. Use a dictionary.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=premeditated

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Or other times it's because you want to take the law into your own hands and cause an accident.

You can argue with me, but people who know the law better than both of us agree with me. The tailgater's BMW was wrecked, my car was wrecked, and he paid the price. I'm satisfied. You're not, but that doesn't bother me a bit.

We could argue all day long whether or not what you did was legal. Who cares? You put other people's lives in danger just so you could teach someone a lesson.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
You're divorced from reality. I touched the brake because I wanted to, not because I was speeding. I already said that. I am not a vigilante (Which Shouldn't Be Capitalized) for tapping my brake. LOL The fact that I touched the brake doesn't mean anything of the sort; you can touch your brake when you're under the speed limit. Being angry seems to make you even less logical.

Fascinating how "tapping" your brake caused two cars to be totalled.

You can be sarcastic all you want. Tapping the brake did not cause the accident; it was the failure of the driver behind me to leave enough following distance AND to react quickly enough. Case closed.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Or other times it's because you want to take the law into your own hands and cause an accident.

You can argue with me, but people who know the law better than both of us agree with me. The tailgater's BMW was wrecked, my car was wrecked, and he paid the price. I'm satisfied. You're not, but that doesn't bother me a bit.

We could argue all day long whether or not what you did was legal. Who cares? You put other people's lives in danger just so you could teach someone a lesson.

That's what you are failing to understand; I didn't. The tailgater did, and then slipped up even more. All I did was slow down-- and not too quickly. One of the witnesses said he HIT THE GAS in response.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: edro

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: edro
The fact is, you are the major factor is casuing the accident. If you had not braked, the tailgater would not have hit you. Because of your premeditated, aggressive braking, you put many lives at risk on the highway, and you committed insurance fraud by not volunteering information to the insurance company (that you caused the accident).

If your conscience is clear, you are the one removed from reality.

I'm telling you, the law does not work the way you think. You could (and probably will soon) say that my parents caused the accident by hiring me. In reality, the way actual lawyers, lawmakers, and judges see things is a little different.

The tailgater caused the unsafe conditions through reckless driving. This endangered my safety. In the course of this he didn't allow enough stopping distance, with the predictable result that he was unable to stop quickly enough.

See, that's why they give out tickets for "following too close". It's too close! I don't know how to state it any clearer than this. I did not cause the accident. At least so said the witnesses who stopped, so say I, and so say two insurance companies after reviewing the evidence.

My conscience is clear, of course. Think twice before you endanger others' lives next time.

You completely avoided my whole point. Without your aggressive, premeditated braking, the accident wouldn't have happened. Can I be "clearer" (sic)?

Am I correct?

Nope, you're still wrong; hence the actual real-world results of the case. You're trying to use fancy language now, but doing it badly. The braking was not aggressive, and you have no reason to say that. It was not "premeditated"; what a bumpkin you are. Use a dictionary.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=premeditated

My use of premeditated is completely correct. You thought ahead of time about braking aggressively to cause an accident, which is a crime.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: edro
My use of premeditated is completely correct. You thought ahead of time about braking aggressively to cause an accident, which is a crime.

Nope. Go read the actual dictionary entry on that word. I did not form a plan, I had no plot; hence no premeditation exists. I love shithouse lawyers like you; they're easy to humiliate.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: edro
Hahaha!

This is great.

I was thinking the same thing. I love reading the responses of anal retentive tailgater haters

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: edro
My use of premeditated is completely correct. You thought ahead of time about braking aggressively to cause an accident, which is a crime.

Nope. Go read the actual dictionary entry on that word. I did not form a plan, I had no plot; hence no premeditation exists. I love shithouse lawyers like you; they're easy to humiliate.

Personal attacks now... classic lazy debating.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Or other times it's because you want to take the law into your own hands and cause an accident.

You can argue with me, but people who know the law better than both of us agree with me. The tailgater's BMW was wrecked, my car was wrecked, and he paid the price. I'm satisfied. You're not, but that doesn't bother me a bit.

We could argue all day long whether or not what you did was legal. Who cares? You put other people's lives in danger just so you could teach someone a lesson.

That's what you are failing to understand; I didn't. The tailgater did, and then slipped up even more. All I did was slow down-- and not too quickly. One of the witnesses said he HIT THE GAS in response.

Your "witness" testimony that the guy hit the gas is suspect too.

The Insurance investigation is also suspect.

 

[edro]

Hell, I call shens on the entire accident. I think it may have been fabricated to get his point across.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: dguy6789
If someone tailgates, I simply let off the gas completely until the moron gets the message.

i sometimes give my breaks a good tap or two.

tailgating is justified if you are going 20mph below speed limit in fast lane no? Its not that I tailgate others, but I can understand why the victim is being tail gated.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: logic1485
Wait, I don't understand what tailgating is: the person in front of you was going to slow, so you were inches away from their bumper?

don't have to be going slow for someone to tailgate you. one time i was going 75-80 in a 65 mph highway in the left lane. there were several cars in front of me and beside me in the right lane but this jackass in a pickup truck was tailgating me. I can't go faster than the traffic in front me, fvcktard.

some people are just assholes

on the other hand, tailgating when the person in front is going 75+ mph is stupid. I've been tailgated when i was going well over the speed limit, and the driver behind me has plenty of room to pass me.

However, in the times when I do notice a car that is going exceptionally faster than I am behind me, I try my best to signal and move over if i have room so the faster driver can just get by.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar
Or other times it's because you want to take the law into your own hands and cause an accident.

You can argue with me, but people who know the law better than both of us agree with me. The tailgater's BMW was wrecked, my car was wrecked, and he paid the price. I'm satisfied. You're not, but that doesn't bother me a bit.

We could argue all day long whether or not what you did was legal. Who cares? You put other people's lives in danger just so you could teach someone a lesson.

That's what you are failing to understand; I didn't. The tailgater did, and then slipped up even more. All I did was slow down-- and not too quickly. One of the witnesses said he HIT THE GAS in response.

Your "witness" testimony that the guy hit the gas is suspect too.

The Insurance investigation is also suspect.

Yeah that's pretty shen-ful. How can someone be following so closely that a tap of the brakes causes them to crash, yet another individual can detect that the tailgater was actually accelerating in that short time period.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
By the way, I never said before, but I was in the MIDDLE lane of a three-lane highway, not that it matters. It was a miracle that the accident caused by the tailgater didn't involve more people. I was initially cruising at about 75MPH in a 65 zone when I hit the brakes. One of the witnesses said it looked like he hit the gas instead of the brake. None of this has anything to do with the illegality and moral reprehensibility of tailgating; just thought I'd share.

You come in here all high and almighty law abiding citizen and you yourself admit to breaking the law.

If you weren't breaking the law to begin with and then slwoing down, this scofflaw may have just gone around you another way.

Your Vigilantism not only caused the wreck, but Insurance Fraud as well since you admittted to speeding to begin with.

Kettle meet pot.

I was driving with the flow of traffic. I never claimed to be high and mighty, and I never said that I never sped in my life. Where are you finding this bullshit information, in your other split personality?

I never committed insurance fraud. You obviously know nothing of traffic law.

The speeding would only be considered if it were a factor in the accident.

I am also not a vigilante. The tailgater invaded my space, I responded. It's as if someone spit in your face in a bar, and you responded. I didn't take the law into my own hands, because I wasn't intent on enforcing any law; I merely wanted my space and safety back.

Like it or not, no amount of blather will change the law. Tailgating is a crime. It can have very serious consequences, too. Nothing will change the fact that the tailgater caused the accident in my case.

"Going with the flow" doesn't excuse you from being a Vigilante.

The fact that you admit to touching the brake at all says in black and white speeding was in fact a factor in the accident. Why else would you have to touch the brake???

You're divorced from reality. I touched the brake because I wanted to, not because I was speeding. I already said that. I am not a vigilante (Which Shouldn't Be Capitalized) for tapping my brake. LOL The fact that I touched the brake doesn't mean anything of the sort; you can touch your brake when you're under the speed limit. Being angry seems to make you even less logical.

Ok, so right there you just admitted you touched the brakes for no reason other than you wanted to with a tailgater behind you. I would call that trying to start a crash. You lose.

And I must say Dave it's nice agreeing with you for once.

Thanks

Whether this guy is shens or not, there are many fragile mind in ATOT and I didn't want them thinking what this guy did is OK.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

He's probably just trying to get a rise out of people by making up this story.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: edro
Hell, I call shens on the entire accident. I think it may have been fabricated to get his point across.

Nope. It's for real. I would just argue my point if this hadn't happened to me; it's not like I have a real hope of convincing you not to tailgate. And like I said, it was one of the most memorable experiences of my life.

Look at all the people who said "I brake for tailgaters" in response. Do you really think that your type of unsafe behavior never causes an accident? You're living a dream if you do. I laughed all the way to the bank, and I would do it again for sure.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Whether this guy is shens or not, there are many fragile mind in ATOT and I didn't want them thinking what this guy did is OK.

Hahaha. You're fighting the good fight! It never ceases to amaze me what I read on here.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: edro
Hell, I call shens on the entire accident. I think it may have been fabricated to get his point across.

Nope. It's for real. I would just argue my point if this hadn't happened to me; it's not like I have a real hope of convincing you not to tailgate. And like I said, it was one of the most memorable experiences of my life.

Look at all the people who said "I brake for tailgaters" in response. Do you really think that your type of unsafe behavior never causes an accident? You're living a dream if you do. I laughed all the way to the bank, and I would do it again for sure.

IF the story is true, this is probably the saddest part.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: ElMonoDelMar

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: edro
Hell, I call shens on the entire accident. I think it may have been fabricated to get his point across.

Nope. It's for real. I would just argue my point if this hadn't happened to me; it's not like I have a real hope of convincing you not to tailgate. And like I said, it was one of the most memorable experiences of my life.

Look at all the people who said "I brake for tailgaters" in response. Do you really think that your type of unsafe behavior never causes an accident? You're living a dream if you do. I laughed all the way to the bank, and I would do it again for sure.

IF the story is true, this is probably the saddest part.

Don't feel bad. I have a great life. It's just that I enjoy it when an asshole get his comeuppance. Don't you?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

What's the point in tailgating.

It's basically like you're raged and you're impatient. Your heart is beating. YOU'RE STRESSED.

WHy can't you people take driving as a less stressful task asd relax. So you tailgate vs if you're 2 seconds behind me. Do you really get to work faster that way?

Well if you weave, then there's a point, but I really don't get it...

 

[Danadcorps]

Why tailgate when you can flash them and honk at them until they leave the lane? Then give them the finger as u drive by.

 

[edro]

I don't think anyone here is going to change their driving habits because of our conversation.

It's a good debate though.

 

[cambre]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Tailgating is against the law. I can brake for any lawful reason, and I did; notice I never specified exactly why I braked, just that I braked (and it was never even asked in the brief investigation). I did of course not brake to cause an accident; that's a dumb thing to accuse me of, and you shouldn't put words in people's mouths.

The tailgater caused the accident by his unsafe behavior. I imagine he got PTSD and isn't doing it very much these days.

It is "real" intelligent, there. It works by forcing the lawbreaking riding your bumper to give a little distance. What works even better at scaring such idiots is a sudden downshift.

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Nope. What happened in this case was I hit the brakes (not as hard as I could) to get distance between me and the person breaking the law behind me. Because of his stupid driving habits, and lack of attention, he didn't leave himself enough room to brake (as you don't). The result, which of course was his fault and not contested by his insurance company, was a bad accident that was his fault.

Sadly, he wasn't injured badly. I think he probably got some major points, though. Two people stopped and gave statements about his poor behavior leading up to the accident.

Your particular way of breaking the law is stupid because you expose yourself badly to being at fault in an accident, and you expose yourself similarly to bodily harm. In addition, you expose everyone else on the road to harm. You don't have enough room to stop if the person in front of you slams on the brakes-- for whatever reason.

I have never had road rage. You definitely don't want to tailgate me, though, just as I don't want to be tailgated. Read and think about the two posts in this short thread about people who caused accidents by tailgating, ponder on your ticket, and learn to be a good citizen.

According to your own statements, you braked solely due to the fact that someone was following closely behind you. It would seem to follow here that you would not have braked if someone was not driving closely behind you. You braked unnecessarily and the result was a collision. There is something called contributory negligence where both parties can be at fault if both parties contributed to the incident. Just because someone is breaking the law does not obligate you to induce an accident. It is the responsibility of drivers to avoid car accidents if they can. I do not believe causing car accidents to teach someone a lesson is highly regarded by the law. Take this simple test:

Is it foreseeable that unnecessarily braking could cause an accident?
If yes,
Would the accident have happened had you not unnecessarily braked?
If no, then your actions contributed to the accident and you should be held somewhat liable.

Sidenote: I usually consider my views to be polar opposites to those of dmcowen674's but in this case, he is absolutely right.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: edro
I don't think anyone here is going to change their driving habits because of our conversation.

It's a good debate though.

More's the pity. 2 seconds, vs. having the space needed to avoid an accident. Sure, it has never happened to any of you who admit to tailgating. However, it is the cause and cited offense of many accidents. What was simply a quick stop of traffic on the highway results in dozens of collisions due to tailgaters, daily.

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I laughed all the way to the bank, and I would do it again for sure.

So if given the opportunity again, to assist in causing an accident, since you still haven't stated any reason for braking, other than you "wanted to", in response to the guy tailgating you. And you'd "do it again for sure", risking the lives of others on the road not involved (specially doing 65-75 MPH), to get a little money? How are you any better than these "tailgaters"?