After burning 200 CDs full of mp3z i find out today that

[flood]

Originally posted by: Adul

Originally posted by: flood
hmm, my cds are like that too!
pic

well that sucks, mozilla wont allow me to view your pic do to the port being a security concern

I changed hosts
here

 

[Mday]

ramsnake is correct.

an 80Min audio CD actually has 800 MB in it, if full.

The inability to use all 800 MB for a data CD comes in the "format" of the CD. similar to if you want to use a CDRW to "drag and drop" you lose some 100 MB to formatting.

The thing is, MP3s are not treated as audio, they are treated as data.

 

[Ramsnake]

ok guys here is the screenshot link , it is on geocities..pls dont linkify , it will disappear soon cos' geocities doesn't allow forums linking to their pages.

http://www.geocities.com/ramsnake2000/mypage.html

go to that page by copying the url, right click and save the pic to view it.

 

[flood]

http://www.geocities.com/ramsnake2000/image.jpg
direct link

 

[RSI]

He's just burning a regular Audio-CD. Run Nero and burn an Audio-CD, you'll see. If you fill the 80 minutes, it will say close to 800MB. However, this is not possible with a Data CD. Nobody has been missing out on 100MB of anything, it's been like this all along.

 

[Aves]

Originally posted by: RSI
He's just burning a regular Audio-CD. Run Nero and burn an Audio-CD, you'll see. If you fill the 80 minutes, it will say close to 800MB. However, this is not possible with a Data CD. Nobody has been missing out on 100MB of anything, it's been like this all along.

According to what he says and the screenshot he posted, it's not just an Audio CD.

He insists that it is a data CD with 800MB/20 hours worth of *.mp3 files on the 700 MB disc.

 

[GiGoLo]

nm

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: Ramsnake
ok guys here is the screenshot link , it is on geocities..pls dont linkify , it will disappear soon cos' geocities doesn't allow forums linking to their pages.

http://www.geocities.com/ramsnake2000/mypage.html

go to that page by copying the url, right click and save the pic to view it.

That is REALLY strange. Do all of the MP3s on that disc work correctly?

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: apoppin

i looked at the minutes counter, and it said 73 mins, indicating 7 mins left, so i go ahead and fill more to bring it to 79 mins which was around 799 MB, i went ahead and burned the cd .

You just admitted that you got 79 minutes. You then showed "the nominal Capacity: 702.83MB".

That is Normal for all of us.

You are the weakest link . . . goodnight!

It's probably a 90 minute CD, but since CDs can't be marked above 79:fifty-something, CDRIdentfier can't tell that it is 90 minutes

 

[Czar]

weird thread

 

[dethman]

spooky....haha

i'm pretty sure 799MB wouldn't normally fit on a CD, or else someone would have figured it out by now, so maybe there's a glitch or something in that program (cd mate?) you use to burn that writes the TOC differently or something. I sure know I can't tell Nero/CDRWin/EZCD/DJ to burn 800MB of MP3s onto an 80min CD.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n1

Originally posted by: apoppin

i looked at the minutes counter, and it said 73 mins, indicating 7 mins left, so i go ahead and fill more to bring it to 79 mins which was around 799 MB, i went ahead and burned the cd .

You just admitted that you got 79 minutes. You then showed "the nominal Capacity: 702.83MB".

That is Normal for all of us.

You are the weakest link . . . goodnight!

It's probably a 90 minute CD, but since CDs can't be marked above 79:fifty-something, CDRIdentfier can't tell that it is 90 minutes

actually according to the article on 90-99min cds on tomshardware the counter doesn't reset till well 99min.59sec heh just goes back to zero

 

[d1abolic]

Only few burners can overburn. Most them bought specifically for that purpose. I don't think more than a couple people here have em.

 

[Nefrodite]

toms article on overburning 100 minutes.

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n1

Originally posted by: apoppin

i looked at the minutes counter, and it said 73 mins, indicating 7 mins left, so i go ahead and fill more to bring it to 79 mins which was around 799 MB, i went ahead and burned the cd .

You just admitted that you got 79 minutes. You then showed "the nominal Capacity: 702.83MB".

That is Normal for all of us.

You are the weakest link . . . goodnight!

It's probably a 90 minute CD, but since CDs can't be marked above 79:fifty-something, CDRIdentfier can't tell that it is 90 minutes

actually according to the article on 90-99min cds on tomshardware the counter doesn't reset till well 99min.59sec heh just goes back to zero

I'm talking about the ATIP that is read by CDRIdentifier to identify the marked capacity of a compact disc.

This is due to the fact that the ATIP of the blank, such as 80 minute media, specifies a maximum recording length of 79:59 minutes - regardless of the actual capacity of the blank.

 

[tim0thy]

judging from your initial post, i'd say you're still an idiot... have a good day.

 

[randomlinh]

very strange indeed. i don't think ANYONE "knew" about this before... what exactly are all your settings for nero? I still find it hard to believe you got 799MB of data on there...

 

[teddymines]

Originally posted by: Ramsnake

ATIP: 97m 26s 66f
Disc Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corp.
Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

My math shows this as having 2352 * 359849 = 846364848 bytes available for audio and 2046 * 359849 = 737330601 bytes available for mode 1 data. This doesn't count lead-in and lead-out. As mentioned earlier, the difference is due to the fact that audio data uses the full 2352 byte frame without frame-level error correction, and mode 1 data uses only 2046 bytes per frame for data.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: tim0thy
judging from your initial post, i'd say you're still an idiot... have a good day.

Good morning! . . . Is this discussion still going on? . . . so far in this now overlong post we have determined that you still can get 80 minutes on a regular (700MB) CD and there is such a thing as overburning.

So, What's new?

 

[Thegonagle]

I haven't tried it, and I won't until I get my MP3 CD player, but it looks as if his software allows him to burn MP3 files without data correction, which allows more data to fit than what normally would.

I, for one, am not gonna knock it until I've tried it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Actually, since I just paid 29 cents for 40x disks that are only about 3 or 4 minutes, not 80 minutes, cause it's the burn time I worry about, I really don't care if I am wasting 100MB.

 

[flood]

if you copy the contents of the cd to a folder on your hard drive, how big is the folder?

 

[Ramsnake]

good mornin'

well i have some more screenshots i took late last night , if these dont convince you , then i guess nothing can..anyways pls not linkify, if u do, the link will cease to exist

http://www.geocities.com/ramsnake2000/image.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/ramsnake2000/image1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/ramsnake2000/image3.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/ramsnake2000/image4.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/ramsnake2000/image6.jpg

if anyone here uses cdmate to burn cds then i guess things will be clearer...

 

[StattlichPassat]

I was at Fry's yesterday and saw Sony 1.3GB CD-Rs! Anybody have the scoop on these? My burning software needs a patch for these bad boys...

 

[xospec1alk]

jeez here i was thinking what the hell hes doing to make 800 mbs fit on 80 minutes...when actually hes just fitting 80 minutes onto a 80minute cd....sheesh