AG Barr continues to cover for Donald Trump instead of doing his job.

[Jhhnn]

Barr's poodle. It figures. The overt attack on Congress is central to our way of government and the peripheral document the Congress.

So dishonest. I haven't defended Barr in the slightest nor will I. OTOH, I will defend Dems not sending out the Sergeant at Arms to apprehend Barr. I didn't support such a thing when a GOP HOR held Eric Holder in contempt, either.

 

[Jhhnn]

I can't get over Mueller letting Don Jr telling him no to testifying, I thought Mueller was going to be tougher than that. He turned out to be way less than thorough in his investigation.

Jr said he'd assert his fifth amendment rights. It's the right of every American.

 

[umbrella39]

A much better thread title is:
"AG Barr continues to bitch slap and otherwise abuse democrats including, literally, laughing in their faces."

The TDS induced bleating about arresting and impeaching him are especially hilarious.

lol.

Nah. A better thread title would be watch Russian pole smoker yell at more clouds...

You are a boring simp. Hire a new writer.

 

[Maxima1]

Jr said he'd assert his fifth amendment rights. It's the right of every American.

Mueller didn't need it anyway. What we got was idiotic reasoning for why he wasn't indicted. He could have gone after Kushner for federal filings and a whole shit load more. Once Mueller's time comes, and he pulls a fucking Romney by trying to give something to both sides, it'll be a signal that the investigation was more about "landing the plane smoothly", as Rosenstein and Barr put it. He didn't want to rock the boat, which i find unfathomable had it been a Democrat overseeing the investigation. Now we have 14 other investigations that are now under Barr's dirty fingers. Mueller didn't realize the obvious crisis coming?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So dishonest. I haven't defended Barr in the slightest nor will I. OTOH, I will defend Dems not sending out the Sergeant at Arms to apprehend Barr. I didn't support such a thing when a GOP HOR held Eric Holder in contempt, either.

That's nice. You don't support Barr, you'll just furrow your eyebrows and shake your head. This isn't one thing, this is a concerted effort to undermine Congress as a branch. The administration is being enabled to do whatever it pleases and every time they approach you seek retreat. That's your right but if you aren't for allowing resistance then you aid the opposition. Again you can do that but don't be blaming anyone else for your position if things turn worse.

 

[sandorski]

One branch of government directly defying a lawful order from an equal branch of government is a "peripheral fight"?

Instead of testifying before Congress, Secretary Clinton could have just faxed them ten thousand middle fingers. Who knew? Will be great when a dem is president and they can just tell a Republican house to sit and spin.

Why else would she have so many deleted e-mails?

 

[Jhhnn]

Mueller didn't need it anyway. What we got was idiotic reasoning for why he wasn't indicted. He could have gone after Kushner for federal filings and a whole shit load more. Once Mueller's time comes, and he pulls a fucking Romney by trying to give something to both sides, it'll be a signal that the investigation was more about "landing the plane smoothly", as Rosenstein and Barr put it. He didn't want to rock the boat, which i find unfathomable had it been a Democrat overseeing the investigation. Now we have 14 other investigations that are now under Barr's dirty fingers. Mueller didn't realize the obvious crisis coming?

When Trump Co attacks Mueller you join them? Give the man the opportunity to defend himself, at least. He'll have it soon enough.

 

[sandorski]

You guys are in such shit. I am truly concerned.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's nice. You don't support Barr, you'll just furrow your eyebrows and shake your head. This isn't one thing, this is a concerted effort to undermine Congress as a branch. The administration is being enabled to do whatever it pleases and every time they approach you seek retreat. That's your right but if you aren't for allowing resistance then you aid the opposition. Again you can do that but don't be blaming anyone else for your position if things turn worse.

That's accusatory self righteous posturing, right? Or just a way to turn GOP malfeasance into an attack on the Dems...

Refer Barr to his own dept for criminal contempt of Congress & move on to the next witness. Don't let anybody forget about it, either. Then find a way around him.

What's the goal? To either remove Trump from office or beat him in 2020. Barr is just a shiny object set out to distract us.

 

[Maxima1]

Why does the media seem more and more like Fox?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/opinions/william-barr-democrats-snitty-callan/index.html

Democrats gave Barr a really snitty time

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/steve-cohen-chicken-william-barr-hearing/index.html

The House's 'chicken' hearing on the Mueller report was totally dumb

 

[dank69]

Why does the media seem more and more like Fox?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/opinions/william-barr-democrats-snitty-callan/index.html

Democrats gave Barr a really snitty time

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/steve-cohen-chicken-william-barr-hearing/index.html

The House's 'chicken' hearing on the Mueller report was totally dumb

That's the "liberal" media for you.

 

[cytg111]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-complained-to-barr-about-contents-of-special-counsel-report-after-its-release/2019/05/02/37954f7a-6d1b-11e9-be3a-33217240a539_story.html

"The White House last month lodged a formal complaint with the Justice Department over the findings of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III — and made clear that President Trump believes he retains the right to assert executive privilege over material contained in the report, despite its public release."

- Yeaaa ... nothing to see here folks, pass the street please.
It sure looks like they did everything to castrate the special counsel...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-complained-to-barr-about-contents-of-special-counsel-report-after-its-release/2019/05/02/37954f7a-6d1b-11e9-be3a-33217240a539_story.html

"The White House last month lodged a formal complaint with the Justice Department over the findings of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III — and made clear that President Trump believes he retains the right to assert executive privilege over material contained in the report, despite its public release."

- Yeaaa ... nothing to see here folks, pass the street please.
It sure looks like they did everything to castrate the special counsel...

Barr is a shiny distraction that everyone should ignore or effectively refer to himself with complaints or so we've been told. That the actions of The Attorney General of the United States continuing to shift the power to the Executive in perpetuity isn't important in that every President can ignore Congress in their legitimate role and have his AG participate as his or her personal defense using the resources of the DOJ and personal authority as head of Federal law enforcement so what? Once we have Trump out then all that was allowed to stand will revert to normal with no fallout possible.

 

[dank69]

Barr is a shiny distraction that everyone should ignore or effectively refer to himself with complaints or so we've been told. That the actions of The Attorney General of the United States continuing to shift the power to the Executive in perpetuity isn't important in that every President can ignore Congress in their legitimate role and have his AG participate as his or her personal defense using the resources of the DOJ and personal authority as head of Federal law enforcement so what? Once we have Trump out then all that was allowed to stand will revert to normal with no fallout possible.

It's sickening.

 

[cytg111]

Barr is a shiny distraction that everyone should ignore or effectively refer to himself with complaints or so we've been told. That the actions of The Attorney General of the United States continuing to shift the power to the Executive in perpetuity isn't important in that every President can ignore Congress in their legitimate role and have his AG participate as his or her personal defense using the resources of the DOJ and personal authority as head of Federal law enforcement so what? Once we have Trump out then all that was allowed to stand will revert to normal with no fallout possible.

Revert to normal?
I think, that, If you dont bitchslap these fools around right now, come the next retarded pres, its going to be a repetition of history.
Have to show these swamp creatures that this is not a viable path to take unless you like the pain.

 

[zinfamous]

Hayabusa, you appear to be aiming for idealism while Jhhnn is aiming for practicalities. Jhhnn is looking towards the next election where as you'd suggest a course of action that might end up with 2016 as America's final Presidential election.

...many actually made this prediction back in 2016, lol.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It is interesting that Barr was yesterday faulting Mueller for not making a prosecutorial judgement on the President. I wish one of the Senators would have asked Barr how that would work. I.e., is Barr supporting the idea of having the special counsel essentially charge the President with a crime even though he can't be formally indicted (or does Barr believe the President can be indicted)?

I think this is a really pertinent question because I think the real answer is that Barr is just using this as an excuse to justify his making the call: "Look, Mueller wouldn't do it, so I was forced to." We might have seen a considerable amount of squirming and dissembling if Barr had been directly asked to explain exactly what Mueller could have done within the constraints of justice department policy and fairness to the accused.

It seems to be a pretty extreme oversight on the part of the questioners..

"So, Mr. Barr, you're saying that you disagree with the OLC opinion that the President can be indicted? Would you be willing to formalize that in a document and we'll call back Mr. Mueller to see if he's still happy with where he landed or if he wants to switch it up?"

It has allowed Barr to continue the fiction that he doesn't know why Mueller made this decision despite the fact that it is spelled out in crystal-clear language in the introduction to Volume II.

Either Barr is an ignorant dumb-ass who doesn't deserve to have a law degree, let alone be attorney general of the U.S. OR he didn't actually read as far as the introduction to Volume II (and no one has explained it to him) OR he is playing dumb about the reason why Mueller did not reach the prosecutorial judgement.

I am not sure why this whole angle is not getting more "play". It really speaks to the role that Barr is playing as a willful propagandist and liar extraordinaire.

 

[Jhhnn]

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state" translates into "We would charge him if the rules allowed it but the rules won't let us even say that we would."

I figure Barr dug his own grave with this-

“I think the deputy attorney general and I thought it was [Mueller’s responsibility to make a charging recommendation],” he said, noting that he was “surprised” the special counsel did not. “Not just charging, but to determine whether or not conduct was criminal.”

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/1/18522458/bill-barr-mueller-report-trump-obstruction-of-justice

Now that Barr says the rules are different than what Mueller believed them to be, What will Mueller say under the new rules?

 

[Jhhnn]

I am not sure why this whole angle is not getting more "play". It really speaks to the role that Barr is playing as a willful propagandist and liar extraordinaire.

He's a disgrace to his office.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hayabusa, you appear to be aiming for idealism while Jhhnn is aiming for practicalities. Jhhnn is looking towards the next election where as you'd suggest a course of action that might end up with 2016 as America's final Presidential election.

The practical matter is that if what Trump through Barr and others is doing to make Congress a second class branch it will be a lesson to every future President that they have superior power and authority until the end of this so-called Constitutional government. That is an existential threat greater than Trump himself because it's eternal and everlasting or almost certain to be so. What we fail to do now becomes the perpetual burden of our descendants.

So instead we restrict ourselves to the lowest possible bar with voting Trump out? If we do what's right we're suddenly going to forget to go out and vote? Hell if we can't do both we deserve Trump and all the wrongs he does because of cowardice.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state" translates into "We would charge him if the rules allowed it but the rules won't let us even say that we would."

I figure Barr dug his own grave with this-



https://www.vox.com/2019/5/1/18522458/bill-barr-mueller-report-trump-obstruction-of-justice

Now that Barr says the rules are different than what Mueller believed them to be, What will Mueller say under the new rules?

Hush up and vote Trump out in 2020. Don't complain because "they" might hear you. Barr can order Mueller to make no comment because of Executive Privilege because he says so. Barr has no grave to dig because of the immunity from effective actions some have voiced. But we can still not our heads and furrow our eyebrows and that will certainly bury Barr.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hush up and vote Trump out in 2020. Don't complain because "they" might hear you. Barr can order Mueller to make no comment because of Executive Privilege because he says so. Barr has no grave to dig because of the immunity from effective actions some have voiced. But we can still not our heads and furrow our eyebrows and that will certainly bury Barr.

Oh, please. I doubt that Barr can tell Mueller what not to say at this point. I don't think he's afraid of being fired, which is the worst case scenario. I expect his testimony to be more than merely interesting.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh, please. I doubt that Barr can tell Mueller what not to say at this point. I don't think he's afraid of being fired, which is the worst case scenario. I expect his testimony to be more than merely interesting.

Of course he can. Mueller is obliged by the Administration to honor whatever limitations the WH places under EP. Barr can claim this as AG, lie or not and that's it unless the House goes to the SCOTUS and if it's heard by the SCOTUS at all then we're at election time.

In any cased Barr digging his grave? At least stop that as you endorse a path that provides immunity from consequences.

 

[Maxima1]

He better.

Barr to Senate: President is Not Immune from Prosecutor Declaration of Indictable Offense

Attorney General William Barr’s prepared statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee appears to mark out a framework that basically says a sitting President is not immune from federal prosecutors making a determination that the President committed an indictable offense.

Whether or not Barr articulated this legal framework to justify his decision in the Mueller investigation, it has two significant implications. First, it would mean that Special Counsel Robert Mueller may now be able to say on the record whether he believes President Donald Trump committed the crime of obstruction. Mueller should have the opportunity to do so in congressional testimony soon.

 

[HomerJS]

Of course he can. Mueller is obliged by the Administration to honor whatever limitations the WH places under EP. Barr can claim this as AG, lie or not and that's it unless the House goes to the SCOTUS and if it's heard by the SCOTUS at all then we're at election time.

In any cased Barr digging his grave? At least stop that as you endorse a path that provides immunity from consequences.

Once Mueller no longer works for him he can't