Age of the Wimp?

JohnnyReb

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There seems to be more "wimpiness" among men today than in previous generations. I was watching one of those late night dating shows last night, and was amazed how just how insecure the men were. I spoke with a friend of mine who is a Marine TI (I may be getting the designation messed up, being an Air Force guy) who said that most Marines come into the Corps without ever having thrown a punch in anger, or having hunted.

I know that I'm out of touch, but is this a good thing?
 

Hubris

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That people don't, as a rule, fight? I'm gonna go with yes here.

But if it's a repressed, afraid to act sort of thing, then that's bad.
 

AdamDuritz99

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Though i have never punched anyone(besides my brother) or ever been hunting, i do agree that society is forming men to be more feminine than they are natrually. I just got done reading this book a month ago by John Eldredge. It's called Wild at Heart. You might be interested in checking it out. It's very good.

peace
sean
 

walkur

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Well, just because we've become more civil, and people don't smack each other in the face for (almost) no reason..... if you call that wimpy, that's your choice.
 

MichaelD

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I feel the flames already........


Yes, today's men are wimpy b/c society has neutered us. After many years of kicking the dog, the dog stays under the porch and doesn't come out anymore.

We have to live in fear of disciplining our kids, b/c some family-van driving, cell-phone-toting mom may call the cops if I smack my kids' ass in the middle of the grocery store b/c he pulled a whole shelf of jars down on the floor and made a huge mess.

We have to live in fear of having a good, old-fashioned, brawl w/our wife/girlfriend because if she hits me and I defend myself, I go to jail. As a matter of fact, the mere accusation that I hit her (I don't and wouldn't) sends me to jail! At least for the night. You raise your voice, the nosy woman neighbor calls the cops...or she yells at her neutered husband and tells him to call the cops.

We have to live in fear of women, in general, because men are not respected by women anymore. It used to be when your man yelled at you, you respected him and shut you damn mouth. Not anymore. Now we have "intelligent, liberated women", who still can't work a screwdriver to fix a hinge or start their car on a cold morning, but they'll be damned if they're gonna "let you tell me what to do!"

We have to live in fear of relationships, b/c of what we might lose (i.e. everything) if it goes sour. There are no more "amicable" split-ups. Used to be you could trust a woman to not set your clothes on fire or lock you out....the old fashioned women would NEVER do something like that. To women these days, that behavior is perfectly acceptble.


It's not cool to be "A Man" anymore. Used to be a real man could strut down the street, crowing like a rooster in a henhouse and he was respected. Men hung out at the barber shop and the hardware store, talking trash and being men. Now he's called "barbaric" "neanderthal" "uncouth"...and has to hurry home in the family van b/c he has to take little Suzy to ballet...or the wife will get pissed and he'll be in the doghouse. Again.


I long for the olden days. Sometimes, I think I was born about 100 years too late.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

*EDIT*
My attitude is pissing people off and that's good. How 'bout some more? These are MY beliefs.

If a couple gets married and they choose to not have children, then BOTH of them should work. Someday, I will be married and we will be a "DINK" couple. Dual Income, No Kids.

However, if the wife chooses to bear children, then the wife should stay home, cook, clean and do the shopping. The man should work all day, come home, eat dinner that the wife made. Then he should fix things around the house, change the oil in the car and take out the trash. On the weekends, the man can and should help with the house cleaning.

Sigh. I see the movies from the 1950's and hear stories from my older relatives...I was born too late. I missed my era.
 

BreakApart

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Go read the book "The War Against Boys : How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men"

You'll see exactly what men/boys are being molded into, it's rather pathetic.
 

Hubris

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Well, I for one, am glad I wasn't born 100 years ago. I would have hated having to go to a separate school cause I'm "colored".

Oh, and rash generalizations are very bad. While there are extreme cases (quite a few, actually) where there is a lack of respect, it has nothing to do with woman. I know plenty of women who know how to fix things quite well, and wouldn't allow themselves to be treated like crap. But they also don't play massive head games.

But really, your argument is so funny that I've got to laugh.

This comic is pretty apropos: Good ol' days
 

JohnnyReb

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Well, just because we've become more civil, and people don't smack each other in the face for (almost) no reason..... if you call that wimpy, that's your choice.

Is it due to civility, or is it due to fear? Do we have less confrontations, or do we avoid them at all cost? Is our fear greater than our pride? Could the present generation fight and win WWII? My father died fighting the Nazi's in hand-to-hand street fighting, after running out of ammo.

If people were self-assured and non-violent, then that would be a good thing. In my youth, schoolyard fights were looked as a rite of passage. In fact, the school would provide boxing gloves and an appropriate time.

John
 

JohnnyReb

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<<But really, your argument is so funny that I've got to laugh.

This comic is pretty apropos: Good ol' days >>

People in thirty years will be shaking their heads in wonder of some of the stuff of today. Don't be so quick to mock that which you don't understand. Every generation has those things which when looked at under totally different light seem much more horrible than they did at the time.

John
 

MichaelD

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<< Well, I for one, am glad I wasn't born 100 years ago. I would have hated having to go to a separate school cause I'm "colored".

Oh, and rash generalizations are very bad. While there are extreme cases (quite a few, actually) where there is a lack of respect, it has nothing to do with woman. I know plenty of women who know how to fix things quite well, and wouldn't allow themselves to be treated like crap. But they also don't play massive head games.

But really, your argument is so funny that I've got to laugh.

This comic is pretty apropos: Good ol' days
>>




Where, in my reply, did I mention anything about segregation? This is a male/female issue here.
 

DaejangNim

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<< without ever having thrown a punch in anger, or having hunted. >>

I think its a parellel of two different types of men emerging who appear to be the same, but think differently. For example, why hunt when I can pay and get a good steak pre-cut for me ? and then some men never fought out of fear of fighting, showing their weakness, while others have become more intelligent, seeing the future beyond that first punch. One punch leads to a fight, a fight leads to someone getting hurt, someone getting hurt leads to a lawsuit or jail, the list goes on forever...

<< Could the present generation fight and win WWII? >>

then again I think that most men are becoming of the weaker type, but the present generation as a whole would've probably still been able to fight and win ww2, and in our more "multicultural" society there would've been more hate towards the Nazis, making people more willing to fight
 

Ulfwald

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My wife hates the feminist movement. She wishes we could go back in time when Men were Mena, and women were Ladies. She wants to stay home and take care of the kids, clean the house, and put my dinner on the table. I would love it if we could go back to that time. Family values were better, kids grew up with better attitudes, respecting the law, and people were actually held accountable for their actions.
 

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"It used to be when your man yelled at you, you respected him and shut you damn mouth. Not anymore. Now we have "intelligent, liberated women", who still can't work a screwdriver to fix a hinge or start their car on a cold morning, but they'll be damned if they're gonna "let you tell me what to do!""


Not for anything here I love men, 8-80 blind crippled or crazy I think most all of you are great.However, a man "yells" at me all the time, I shut my damm mouth alright, as I'm busy packing to leave his lame ass. I give ample respect but also require respect in return. I don't yell and don't require that in order for a man to get my attention to his concerns.

Oh and as far as the screwdriver thang goes, I was married twice and better with tools and working with my hands
than either husband. I also appreciate the social changes that have enabled me to work in the predominately male professions that I am best suited for
 

ratkil

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) who said that most Marines come into the Corps without ever having thrown a punch in anger, or having hunted.
If those are your only, or major, basis for someone being a wimp or not you are misguided. Maybe what you meant to say is that the number of A$$holes seems to be dwindling, though from my observation that number is still plenty high also.
 

MichaelD

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<< I would love it if we could go back to that time. Family values were better, kids grew up with better attitudes, respecting the law, and people were actually held accountable for their actions. >>



Absolutely! Not to be corny, but people make fun of the family in that old TV show "Leave it to Beaver" and even "Happy Days" to some extent, but THAT was IT, man! Those are the times I'm talking about.

Women knew their place and men did too. Women cooked and cleaned and were happy to do so because they had a good man bringing home the bacon. Unfortunately these days, you need two incomes to survive unless the man makes serious money.

Kids didn't mouth off either, because back then it was OK to sock your kid right in the mouth for being a wiseass. When I was growing up, the neighbors or someone else's father would put his foot up my ass when I misbehaved, then he'd drag me home and my father would put BOTH feet up my ass!

Oh yeah, back to the 40's & 50's. There were no Fubu Criminal Wear Clothes for your punk kid to buy. Guns in school? If you got caught with a KNIFE in school, the dean would beat your ass and then send you home and your father would beat your ass some MORE.

Fights were handled quitely, behind the gym or somewhere private. If you lost, you were a man about it. You didn't go "get the gat" and blow "homeboy away." Bah.

Boys had nice, neat haircuts and said "yes, sir." Girls wore pony tails and smiled a lot. Sigh....I was born too late.

There was no pride in being "on the dole." For you youngins' that means "on welfare." Back then if you were 17 and got pregnant you HAD AN ABORTION, there was no discussion b/c you weren't married and you were considered a complete whore and ostracized if you had a child out of wedlock. It just wasnt' done. There were no 14 year olds walking around w/infant babies and getting a WICKIE check every month.

People had PRIDE back then. They worked and worked hard. Men barbequed on the weekends while the women played bridge with their girlfriends. And when it was time to do something, the women would stop everything and wait on their man, like they are supposed to.

Anyone know where I can get a time-machine?
 

Jzero

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<< Anyone know where I can get a time-machine? >>


No, but I wish I had one...based on stories I've heard of the "fabulous fifties" it was no better or worse than it is now. You are correct about guns in school and some of the attitude issues, but it was hardly a golden age.
 

PlatinumGold

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in my opinion its due to the homogenization of society.

womens lib and feminist are teaching us that there are no gender based roles. that's a crock.

but most men have fallen for it. in my home, my wife and i are very definite what our independent roles are. i run our business, she runs our home. simple.

when it comes to disciplining the children, my wife talks them thru things, i take the whip to them. very simple.

my kids understand the difference and they know when lines are being drawn.

I agree, men are becoming wimps and it's not just about hitting someone or hunting. it's about knowing what your role in society is.
 

Novgrod

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Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur. Hi omnes lingua institutis legibus inter se differunt. Gallos ab Aquitanis Garunna flumen, a Belgis Matrona et Sequana dividit. Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae, propterea quod a cultu atque humanitate Provinciae longissime absunt minimeque ad eos mercatores saepe commeant atque ea quae ad effeminandos animos pertinent important proximique sunt Germanis qui trans Rhenum incolunt, quibuscum continenter bellum gerunt. Qua de causa Helvetii quoque reliquos Gallos virtute praecedunt, quod fere cotidianis proeliis cum Germanis contendunt, cum aut suis finibus eos prohibent aut ipsi in eorum finibus bellum.

All gaul is divided into three parts . . . blah blah blah "of all these the strongest are the Belgae, on account of their being the farthest away from the culture and humanity of the Province (nearer [Roman controlled] Gaul) and because merchants infrequently go to them and on account of all this, their spirits are the least effeminate . . . etc etc

Really not the greatest translation, but it'll have to do; I gotta get out of here

Anyway, Caesar certainly thought that society made people into wimps. For further reading, go to the Marquis de Chatelest, a french dude who thought the French kicked asche because they were farmers and farmers were the most capable fighters. Also listen to Johnny Cash's "Boy Named Sue"

I agree though; men are being effeminized. Don't know if it's a good thing or not.
 

MichaelD

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The gelding of a man is never a good thing. Where's my soapbox? *Goes looking for soapbox to stand on and orate*
 

CKDragon

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<< Is it due to civility, or is it due to fear? Do we have less confrontations, or do we avoid them at all cost? Is our fear greater than our pride? >>



I, for one, will admit that one reason I haven't been in more fights is due to the fear/threat of a lawsuit. This is such a lawsuit happy culture that I usually think better of it than throw a punch as much as I would LOVE to.

CK
 

rahvin

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<< Unfortunately these days, you need two incomes to survive unless the man makes serious money. >>



Don't make me laugh at your ignorance. To make your above statment true you should alter the statement to read thus:

Unforunately these days, to maintain a lifestyle that society tells me I should have, you need two incomes to survive unless the man makes serious money.

See what you fail to realize is that is perfectly possible to live just like your parents did on a single income. But that means you can't drive that new Lexus and you can't have that 4000sqft house and you can't go out to eat except on special occasions (like birthdays). To live like your parents did you have to trade the luxuries that you think you NEED for the lifestyle you think you want. I know plenty of people that have multiple kids and survive on single incomes (of course I live in a culture where this behavior is encouraged).
 

gopunk

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i agree with most of what you said except for the hunting part (maybe i'm biased, since i've never hunted). there is a difference between being afraid (wimp) and not finding the experience of killing to be something you would want to do as a hobby.
 
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