AGNOSTIC Accountability Groups Starting Up

[Dragnov]

lol. C'mon now.

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: ValsalvaYourHeartOut

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Unfortunately I think he's making a mistake in opening it up for discussion between the two groups. For the simple reason that religious threads hardly ever remain civil.

They hardly remain civil because of people like you.

Valsalva

Yes, that's true. I have thrown flames about this thread haven't I? Actually, I belive I've wished you guys luck on you club. If you have to criticize at least make it accurate please. Is that asking too much?

Edit: One more thing. Since you proclaim yourself to be so intelligent do me a favor and learn how to close html tags. It's not that difficult and reading over all your italicized posts is becoming very annoying.

Here we go again with Christians telling non-Christians what they should and shouldn't be doing. What right to you think you have in telling me to use or not use italics? I will use italics if I please. If you don't like them, then too bad.

Valsalva

 

[tweakmm]

Did somebody say something about a dead horse?

 

[QTArrhythmic]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: QTArrhythmic

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Actually, I have a question specificly for you QT. There are two quotes from you below. One from this thread and one from the christian accountability thread.

No, no, no. You have it all wrong. I am Christian, I don't hate Christians

It will be a great way for us Agnostics

Now, since agnosticisim, by definition means to be unsure of where or not there is a God and Christianity means to devote you life to God don't you have a difficult time pulling both of them off? Just curious. Unless you have multiple personalities the two groups your profess to be part of seem mutually exclusive to me.

I'm culturely Christian in the sense that I will still go to church will family, maybe once a year. But I am ideologically agnostic.

ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

Chris·tian ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krschn)
adj.
Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.

Sorry, your explination doesn't really hold. Pick one. I was raised in a Christian family too yet I do not profess myself to be Christian. Going to chuch once a year and being raised in a Christian home does not make you a christian any more than standing in a forest makes you a tree.

Well I would have to pick that former of your two definitions.

Edit: When I said I was Christian it was in the context of ppl saying that I hated Christians, which I don't, I'm surrounded by them.

 

[QTArrhythmic]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"I probably won't talk because the talking might distract the pitcher."

Would you think about it, or would something inside say, don't think about it ?

probably won't think about it, actually.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

I assume that when some ladies join our group, we can have orgies.

 

[MithShrike]

Aye sign me up! As an ex-Christian I might have something good to contribute!

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: QTArrhythmic

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"I probably won't talk because the talking might distract the pitcher."

Would you think about it, or would something inside say, don't think about it ?

probably won't think about it, actually.

Yea, you mean like deliberately right ? Because I do stuff like that, even though I don't believe in hocus pocus or psychic stuff, but when I see a coin on the ground I always notice if it's heads up or not.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: QTArrhythmic

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Actually, I have a question specificly for you QT. There are two quotes from you below. One from this thread and one from the christian accountability thread.

No, no, no. You have it all wrong. I am Christian, I don't hate Christians

It will be a great way for us Agnostics

Now, since agnosticisim, by definition means to be unsure of where or not there is a God and Christianity means to devote you life to God don't you have a difficult time pulling both of them off? Just curious. Unless you have multiple personalities the two groups your profess to be part of seem mutually exclusive to me.

I'm culturely Christian in the sense that I will still go to church will family, maybe once a year. But I am ideologically agnostic.

QT, my understanding of the Bible is that a Christian is one that has acknowledged his sinfulness, has confessed his sins to God and asked for His forgiveness, and has received Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

If you haven't done so and are not a follower of Jesus, your description of yourself as a "cultural" Christian is apt. Unfortunately, many confuse, cultural Christians and Biblical Christians.

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: Mith
Aye sign me up! As an ex-Christian I might have something good to contribute!

An ex-Christian??? Please share your story...I'm sure we'd all love to hear about your "Agnostic walk."

Valsalva

 

[0roo0roo]

its mostly pro choice vs anti choice.

take the issue of stem cells. an agnostic would give you the choice of studying with stem cells. a fundamentalist religious christian etc would impose their religious views on you by trying to ban it for everyone.

same goes for birth control, abortion, gay rights etc, most everything. agnostic says live and let live. a fundy just wants you to march in lockstep with him... by law.

and yes, we go after the christians in this country because they are the most powerful religious group. yes there are open minded christians, but they are not the problem. the fundamnetalists have the power and they are zealous in their push to impose their views upon everyone. these are the ones that use the republican party as their sock puppet.

another thing that disturbs me. total irrationality when it comes to certain issues. you see grown men compare homosexuality to child molestation. its not even an honest comparison.

 

[QueHuong]

Why do you people spend all of your time crucifying Christians?

You have that bass-ackwards. Christians compose of roughly 85% (most likely more, I'm using 85% as a safe figure) of the American population, they clearly hold the majority. Then through laws and politics, they impose their Christian views on those who are not Christians. Take that judge who has a huge 10 Commandment sign on his wall for example, despite the separation of church and state ideal. When it comes to issues as abortion, prayer in school, etc, whose side do you think that judge will be biased towards?



And QT, sign me up too.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: MindStorm

Why do you people spend all of your time crucifying Christians?

You have that bass-ackwards. Christians compose of roughly 85% (most likely more, I'm using 85% as a safe figure) of the American population, they clearly hold the majority. Then through laws and politics, they impose their Christian views on those who are not Christians. Take that judge who has a huge 10 Commandment sign on his wall for example, despite the separation of church and state ideal. When it comes to issues as abortion, prayer in school, etc, whose side do you think that judge will be biased towards? And QT, sign me up too.

As far as abortion, prayer in school, etc... you got your way so what are you bitching about? Abortion is readily available. Prayer in school is seriously curtailed.

The Courts exist to protect the minority - every minority - from tyranny by the majority.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
sign me up please.

Me too

LOL

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
I assume that when some ladies join our group, we can have orgies.

Actually, given the recent landmark S.Ct. decision, you don't need women anymore to have an orgy. Pork away.

 

[iwearnosox]

I'm in, but I don't know if I qualify.

I once did illegal substances and had a threesome with two women, which left me feeling god-like. I'm not petitioning to be your diety, mind you, but it might be an issue for other, less secure members of the agnostic accountability group.

 

[iwearnosox]

Oh, and we should have a sig, of course:

Jesus is for weenies?

My God can kick your God's ass any day?

God hates me and you're trying?

Is that the lord in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Satan for congress?

After meeting you I'm most definately pro abortion?

Party till the apocolypse?

 

[Tom]

Could old-school Mormons do that or is strictly one wife at a time ? (I'm thinking of switching teams)

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocateAs far as abortion, prayer in school, etc... you got your way so what are you bitching about? Abortion is readily available. Prayer in school is seriously curtailed.

Not if the Christian fundamentalists get their way...we'd have a blanket ban on abortion, morning prayers, etc.... It's bad enough the Pledge of Allegiance includes the line "One nation under God." And right now, there is a definitive restriction on stem-cell research, which is detrimental to the millions of Americans who are sick and could benefit from products of that research. It's a crying shame.

Valsalva

 

[QueHuong]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: MindStorm

Why do you people spend all of your time crucifying Christians?

You have that bass-ackwards. Christians compose of roughly 85% (most likely more, I'm using 85% as a safe figure) of the American population, they clearly hold the majority. Then through laws and politics, they impose their Christian views on those who are not Christians. Take that judge who has a huge 10 Commandment sign on his wall for example, despite the separation of church and state ideal. When it comes to issues as abortion, prayer in school, etc, whose side do you think that judge will be biased towards? And QT, sign me up too.

As far as abortion, prayer in school, etc... you got your way so what are you bitching about? Abortion is readily available. Prayer in school is seriously curtailed.

The Courts exist to protect the minority - every minority - from tyranny by the majority.

No, we do not have our ways because of people like you who think "prayer in school is seriously curtailed" and continuously try to make it an issue despite SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. (I swear, is that a hard concept?). And you didn't address my point in that previous post: a judge, someone who is supposed to interpret the laws, is outrightly challenging it by hanging a big 'ol 10 Commandment sign on his wall - that's just one example of Christians imposing their views (or to use the original poster's term, "crucifying") on non-Christians.

People only think Christians are being persecuted because they see a few posts here and there on AT that comes across as anti-Christian (some are, and some are just taken as such by overly sensitive and insecure Christians) because the internet provides a little anonymity. Most aren't outspoken in real life because they know those peace-loving, forgiving Christians will beat their asses in the ground because the Christians can't stand it when their views are challenged.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: MindStorm

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: MindStorm

Why do you people spend all of your time crucifying Christians?

You have that bass-ackwards. Christians compose of roughly 85% (most likely more, I'm using 85% as a safe figure) of the American population, they clearly hold the majority. Then through laws and politics, they impose their Christian views on those who are not Christians. Take that judge who has a huge 10 Commandment sign on his wall for example, despite the separation of church and state ideal. When it comes to issues as abortion, prayer in school, etc, whose side do you think that judge will be biased towards? And QT, sign me up too.

As far as abortion, prayer in school, etc... you got your way so what are you bitching about? Abortion is readily available. Prayer in school is seriously curtailed. The Courts exist to protect the minority - every minority - from tyranny by the majority.

No, we do not have our ways because of people like you who think "prayer in school is seriously curtailed" and continuously try to make it an issue despite SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. (I swear, is that a hard concept?). And you didn't address my point in that previous post: a judge, someone who is supposed to interpret the laws, is outrightly challenging it by hanging a big 'ol 10 Commandment sign on his wall - that's just one example of Christians imposing their views (or to use the original poster's term, "crucifying") on non-Christians. People only think Christians are being persecuted because they see a few posts here and there on AT that comes across as anti-Christian (some are, and some are just taken as such by overly sensitive and insecure Christians) because the internet provides a little anonymity. Most aren't outspoken in real life because they know those peace-loving, forgiving Christians will beat their asses in the ground because the Christians can't stand it when their views are challenged.

Actually, I did address your point. There are appellate judges that can order the judge to remove the plaque.

Valsalva only posts in these threads. He is not content to let people be, and screams when someone says boo to him.

You can have your little thread. You can recruit as many as you like. I just don't understand why you have to pick on one faith.

 

[iwearnosox]

Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution?

Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

 

[NoReMoRsE]

Agnosticism 0wnz j00

It is not the spoon that bends.