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[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

I actually did not offer an opinion as to whether or not it is. Check your hostility.

The "division of church and state" issue is actually quite interesting. The court have said repeatedly that there is a "semi-permeable"
wall. It is not absolute as many mistakenly think that it is. I think that was the Lemon case, but I am not sure.

Anyway - it is a bit of interesting jurisprudence.

I am sorry that some of my fellow Christians have incited this amount of disdain. This is not our goal.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Here you go -

http://www.religioustolerance.org/scs_intr.htm

for your reading pleasure. This is a nicely done summary. Lemon v. Kurtzman was the big one.

 

[0roo0roo]

bush is funding churches with public money now.

public money is going to religious schools through vouchers. the attack continues.

 

[QueHuong]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Exactly. DA, you're saying Christians are oppressed when it's obvious that they're trying to oppress others. Using the example above, prayers in school, or Creationism (a CHRISTIAN belief, not scientific, not Islamic, not Buddhist) laws are constantly trying to be passed, despite clear violations of separation of church and state. Your argument that courts are protecting minorities is irrelevant. The fact is that Christians are still imposing their views when it's already in violation of the law.

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocateActually, I did address your point. There are appellate judges that can order the judge to remove the plaque.

You didn't address jack -- you only THINK you did...that's the beauty of convincing yourself that something is true when it clearly isn't to any objective bystander. His point was that it is highly unlikely that a judge can be impartial on Christian-related issues when has a huge plaque of the ten commandments hanging over him. Whether or not there are appellate judges is absolutely 100% irrelevant and constitutes a "WTF argument" (which is defined as 2 notches worse than a non sequitur).

Valsalva only posts in these threads.

Another example of convincing yourself that something is true when it is clearly inconsistent with reality. These are called "delusions" and are suggestive of an underlying psychotic disorder. This might be big news for you, DA (which can stand for something else other than DevilsAdvocate), but I have posted in many different threads, not only "these threads." If you do a search for my name on AT, you'll find that I post in all sorts of threads...only you'll still come to the same conclusion because you are clearly delusional.

He is not content to let people be, and screams when someone says boo to him.

Another delusion. In contrast, I merely point out some of the the inconsistency and illogic that some people post here..."screaming" is a highly inaccurate word choice and I think it represents your word-finding ability combined with your delusional disorder.

I just don't understand why you have to pick on one faith.

You don't understand because you choose not to. It is very clearly explained in my post up top and by several others why the Christians of AT get "picked on." ...but next time you see your fellow Christian harrassing a non-Chrisitian to convert...or dressed in a suit knocking on someone's door, ask yourself who's picking on whom? On second thought don't, because you delusional state will prevent you from seeing the truth, just as it has right now.

Valsalva

 

[Alchemist99]

Count me in too, and i agree with allot of what Valsalvayourheartout had to say.

I'm not an Atheist but i feel Religion can and is very dangerous. one only needs to look at
How many lives have been cut down in the name of God? Would the world be a better place without God?
If God does exist and this is the best plan he could come up with?

Man plus religion has proven itself to be a bad combo!

What I don?t get is how everyone considers their Religion to be the one and only true religion (some minor exceptions)

I am open minded to the possibility of some greater purpose, but i feel organized religion is not the way. Imho

 

[QueHuong]

Whether or not there are appellate judges is absolutely 100% irrelevant and constitutes a "WTF argument" (which is defined as 2 notches worse than a non sequitur).

Another example of convincing yourself that something is true when it is clearly inconsistent with reality. These are called "delusions" and are suggestive of an underlying psychotic disorder...only you'll still come to the same conclusion because you are clearly delusional.

LOL.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: MindStorm

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Exactly. DA, you're saying Christians are oppressed when it's obvious that they're trying to oppress others. Using the example above, prayers in school, or Creationism (a CHRISTIAN belief, not scientific, not Islamic, not Buddhist) laws are constantly trying to be passed, despite clear violations of separation of church and state. Your argument that courts are protecting minorities is irrelevant. The fact is that Christians are still imposing their views when it's already in violation of the law.

Actually, I just wanted to know why you guys were singling out Christians.

Some Christians are trying to oppress others. Granted. The overwhlming majority are tolerant, rational human beings who respect other's faiths - or non-faiths.

Just think you may have gone a bit far in your rhetoric, but that is ok.

I understand that many Christians have tried - and continue to impose their will on minorities. I just found it ironic that the 2 things picked out by one particular poster were activities that the Supreme Court has ruled on, giving way to the minority view. I support these decisions.

I believe the minority should be protected - sometimes from judges themselves. I believe that the judge you speak of is a state judge in Alabama. That one is still being argued I believe.

I am sorry that you feel this way. Flame on.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: MindStorm

Whether or not there are appellate judges is absolutely 100% irrelevant and constitutes a "WTF argument" (which is defined as 2 notches worse than a non sequitur). Another example of convincing yourself that something is true when it is clearly inconsistent with reality. These are called "delusions" and are suggestive of an underlying psychotic disorder...only you'll still come to the same conclusion because you are clearly delusional.

LOL.

Say what you like I really don't care.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

You realize that in some schools books like the Koran are read? Why aren't you screaming about that just out of curiosity?

Besides, your "seperation of church and state" argument doesn't make much sense in this instance. Seperation of church and state was written in so there couldn't be a state sponsored religion. Basicly so the government couldn't force religious beliefs on people. Do you really think that's what's being done by teaching creationisim alongside evolution? They are not forcing Christianity on the students but rather presenting an alternative viewpoint. Allow me to quote you and say "you're an idiot if you think otherwise".

One more quick point. According to the latest census 76.5 percent of the nation (156 milion people) claimed to be Christian. Now, according to most of you that bash religion christians don't agree with evolution. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this by now but if you don't I'll spell it out. According to the census over 3/4 of our nation has beliefs that run contrary to what is being taught in public schools. Yet strangely I don't hear them crying about evolution being taught as the only theory as to the origin of the world. What I do hear is you bitching about creationisim being mentioned as an alternative view. Funny isn't it? You could also draw several other conclusions from these numbers. 1) Many of the members of this overwhelming christian majority are simply "cultural christians" like QT. 2) Perhaps the the "christian majority" isn't quite the overwhelming force you cry about it being and perhaps they're not pushing religion on you after all. I mean, 3/4 of the country should have the power to change what's taught in schools but evolution's been there for quite a while. But, those are facts and I'm sure you're not interested in those.

 

[KthxBye]

Modern Judaism/Christianity has very little to do with whats laid out in the bible. When was the last time you killed a goat and spread its blood on your door during passover or made a burnt offering of doves? Never? Huh...I coulda sworn god was very specific about that when he *cough* spoke to Moses. Read your own holy book, then come back and tell me about Christianity.

Oh yea, count me in as an agnostic.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

I wonder why I wasn't pre-authorized for that list.

Put me on there.

- M4H

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocateActually, I just wanted to know why you guys were singling out Christians.

You want some reasons? Okay, here goes:

1) Christians attempt to disrupt the lives of others by imposing their views and altering foreign policies to reflect their religions. Examples: stem-cell research, abortion, etc. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians.

2) Christians feel the need to convert other people to save them from hell. Attempting to change someone's religion is by definition DISRESPECTFUL of another person's belief. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians.

3) Many Christians feel that they are holier than thou and attempt to pass judgment on others. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians.

4) Christians harrass you in public places like university campuses and the supermarket and try to give you stupid little books...they even knock on your door on Sunday trying to teach you about the gospel of Jeebus. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians.

5) Christians feel the need to infiltrate our government and public schools in annoying ways, such as inscribing "In God We Trust" on our currency and making poor young kids say "one nation under god" every morning in the Pledge of Allegiance. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians.

I am flabbergasted that you honestly ask why Christians are "singled out"!!! It should be patently obvious to anyone who was in touch with reality, but given your recent bout of psychosis (see above), I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Valsalva

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Alchemist99
Count me in too, and i agree with allot of what Valsalvayourheartout had to say.

I'm not an Atheist but i feel Religion can and is very dangerous. one only needs to look at
How many lives have been cut down in the name of God?

I'll be honest with you and say that I used to think the exact same thing. I've realized that to a point it's true but mostly that's an ignorant way to look at things. When it comes to humans it's not so much religion that's dangerous but rather ideas. How many lives were lost in vietnam because of ideas. How many lost in WWII because of Hitlers idea of a master race? And so on and so forth. Get rid of religion if you think that will help. But as long as people are able to think enough to have something, anything, to belive in nothing will change.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: ValsalvaYourHeartOut

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocateActually, I just wanted to know why you guys were singling out Christians.

You want some reasons? Okay, here goes: 1) Christians attempt to disrupt the lives of others by imposing their views and altering foreign policies to reflect their religions. Examples: stem-cell research, abortion, etc. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians. 2) Christians feel the need to convert other people to save them from hell. Attempting to change someone's religion is by definition DISRESPECTFUL of another person's belief. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians. 3) Many Christians feel that they are holier than thou and attempt to pass judgment on others. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians. 4) Christians harrass you in public places like university campuses and the supermarket and try to give you stupid little books...they even knock on your door on Sunday trying to teach you about the gospel of Jeebus. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians. 5) Christians feel the need to infiltrate our government and public schools in annoying ways, such as inscribing "In God We Trust" on our currency and making poor young kids say "one nation under god" every morning in the Pledge of Allegiance. Do you see Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, or agnostics doing this? NO. Only Christians. I am flabbergasted that you honestly ask why Christians are "singled out"!!! It should be patently obvious to anyone who was in touch with reality, but given your recent bout of psychosis (see above), I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Valsalva

How about Muslims?

Call me any name you'd like. I asked a simple question.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

You realize that in some schools books like the Koran are read? Why aren't you screaming about that just out of curiosity?

Besides, your "seperation of church and state" argument doesn't make much sense in this instance. Seperation of church and state was written in so there couldn't be a state sponsored religion. Basicly so the government couldn't force religious beliefs on people. Do you really think that's what's being done by teaching creationisim alongside evolution? They are not forcing Christianity on the students but rather presenting an alternative viewpoint. Allow me to quote you and say "you're an idiot if you think otherwise".

One more quick point. According to the latest census 76.5 percent of the nation (156 milion people) claimed to be Christian. Now, according to most of you that bash religion christians don't agree with evolution. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this by now but if you don't I'll spell it out. According to the census over 3/4 of our nation has beliefs that run contrary to what is being taught in public schools. Yet strangely I don't hear them crying about evolution being taught as the only theory as to the origin of the world. What I do hear is you bitching about creationisim being mentioned as an alternative view. Funny isn't it? You could also draw several other conclusions from these numbers. 1) Many of the members of this overwhelming christian majority are simply "cultural christians" like QT. 2) Perhaps the the "christian majority" isn't quite the overwhelming force you cry about it being and perhaps they're not pushing religion on you after all. I mean, 3/4 of the country should have the power to change what's taught in schools but evolution's been there for quite a while. But, those are facts and I'm sure you're not interested in those.

Lets teach that the sun goes around the earth too...so we can have an "alternative viewpoint."

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

You realize that in some schools books like the Koran are read? Why aren't you screaming about that just out of curiosity?

Besides, your "seperation of church and state" argument doesn't make much sense in this instance. Seperation of church and state was written in so there couldn't be a state sponsored religion. Basicly so the government couldn't force religious beliefs on people. Do you really think that's what's being done by teaching creationisim alongside evolution? They are not forcing Christianity on the students but rather presenting an alternative viewpoint. Allow me to quote you and say "you're an idiot if you think otherwise".

One more quick point. According to the latest census 76.5 percent of the nation (156 milion people) claimed to be Christian. Now, according to most of you that bash religion christians don't agree with evolution. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this by now but if you don't I'll spell it out. According to the census over 3/4 of our nation has beliefs that run contrary to what is being taught in public schools. Yet strangely I don't hear them crying about evolution being taught as the only theory as to the origin of the world. What I do hear is you bitching about creationisim being mentioned as an alternative view. Funny isn't it? You could also draw several other conclusions from these numbers. 1) Many of the members of this overwhelming christian majority are simply "cultural christians" like QT. 2) Perhaps the the "christian majority" isn't quite the overwhelming force you cry about it being and perhaps they're not pushing religion on you after all. I mean, 3/4 of the country should have the power to change what's taught in schools but evolution's been there for quite a while. But, those are facts and I'm sure you're not interested in those.

Lets teach that the sun goes around the earth too...so we can have an "alternative viewpoint."

Silly, there is no sun. That's the Holy Maglite of God. The bodies of the Nonbelievers are used to fuel its Everlasting Flame.



- M4H

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

You realize that in some schools books like the Koran are read? Why aren't you screaming about that just out of curiosity?

Besides, your "seperation of church and state" argument doesn't make much sense in this instance. Seperation of church and state was written in so there couldn't be a state sponsored religion. Basicly so the government couldn't force religious beliefs on people. Do you really think that's what's being done by teaching creationisim alongside evolution? They are not forcing Christianity on the students but rather presenting an alternative viewpoint. Allow me to quote you and say "you're an idiot if you think otherwise".

One more quick point. According to the latest census 76.5 percent of the nation (156 milion people) claimed to be Christian. Now, according to most of you that bash religion christians don't agree with evolution. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this by now but if you don't I'll spell it out. According to the census over 3/4 of our nation has beliefs that run contrary to what is being taught in public schools. Yet strangely I don't hear them crying about evolution being taught as the only theory as to the origin of the world. What I do hear is you bitching about creationisim being mentioned as an alternative view. Funny isn't it? You could also draw several other conclusions from these numbers. 1) Many of the members of this overwhelming christian majority are simply "cultural christians" like QT. 2) Perhaps the the "christian majority" isn't quite the overwhelming force you cry about it being and perhaps they're not pushing religion on you after all. I mean, 3/4 of the country should have the power to change what's taught in schools but evolution's been there for quite a while. But, those are facts and I'm sure you're not interested in those.

Lets teach that the sun goes around the earth too...so we can have an "alternative viewpoint."

I see, so you can absolutely 100% prove that evolution is completely correct and conversely can also prove 100% that there is no god and creationisim is 100% wrong? Unfortunately since you can't it's a poor comparison. Let's be honest with ourselves and admit that evoltion, like creationisim, is only a theory and has never been, and can never be, completely proven. While evolution does have a good deal to back it up it is also filled with holes and raises more questions than it answers a lot of times.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

You realize that in some schools books like the Koran are read? Why aren't you screaming about that just out of curiosity?

Besides, your "seperation of church and state" argument doesn't make much sense in this instance. Seperation of church and state was written in so there couldn't be a state sponsored religion. Basicly so the government couldn't force religious beliefs on people. Do you really think that's what's being done by teaching creationisim alongside evolution? They are not forcing Christianity on the students but rather presenting an alternative viewpoint. Allow me to quote you and say "you're an idiot if you think otherwise".

One more quick point. According to the latest census 76.5 percent of the nation (156 milion people) claimed to be Christian. Now, according to most of you that bash religion christians don't agree with evolution. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this by now but if you don't I'll spell it out. According to the census over 3/4 of our nation has beliefs that run contrary to what is being taught in public schools. Yet strangely I don't hear them crying about evolution being taught as the only theory as to the origin of the world. What I do hear is you bitching about creationisim being mentioned as an alternative view. Funny isn't it? You could also draw several other conclusions from these numbers. 1) Many of the members of this overwhelming christian majority are simply "cultural christians" like QT. 2) Perhaps the the "christian majority" isn't quite the overwhelming force you cry about it being and perhaps they're not pushing religion on you after all. I mean, 3/4 of the country should have the power to change what's taught in schools but evolution's been there for quite a while. But, those are facts and I'm sure you're not interested in those.

Lets teach that the sun goes around the earth too...so we can have an "alternative viewpoint."

I see, so you can absolutely 100% prove that evolution is completely correct and conversely can also prove 100% that there is no god and creationisim is 100% wrong? Unfortunately since you can't it's a poor comparison. Let's be honest with ourselves and admit that evoltion, like creationisim, is only a theory and has never been, and can never be, completely proven. While evolution does have a good deal to back it up it is also filled with holes and raises more questions than it answers a lot of times.

No theory is even proven 100% correct. We use what is the best that is available according to the observations and experiments we have made. There is a bunch of scientific evidence for evolution and none for creationism. There is no sense teaching it as an alternative just for the hell of it.

 

[Palek]

Well, my sarcasm meter exploded after reading the initial post.

Way to go guys, a "hate group" is just what was missing from this message board. I would not find your idea repulsive if your motives weren't so blatantly obvious. Starting a discussion about stem-cell research, abortion, etc. - I think that would be great. Even though these issues have been discussed before, it does not mean that everything that could be said has been said. But to start a support group for folks that hate/oppose Christians, now that is just juvenile and pathetic. Grow up and learn to accept people with different faiths/opinions. And if you really want to change them, you have to be a LOT more tactful. "You are stupid and I hate everything you stand for" just will not convince most intelligent people.

 

[iwearnosox]

Evolution = years of science, pointing conclusively to the fact that people evolved. Yes, I said fact.
Creationism = religous based hypothysis that people were somehow created by a God.

Don't try to disprove one wrong by pointing to another. Creationism is religous in nature and has no place in public schools. There is no arguement available to invalidate this.

Why do you suck? Because even in the face of logical discussions and fact you still depend on rhetoric to somehow prove your point. All is does is prove your inability to think in a logical manner.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

You realize that in some schools books like the Koran are read? Why aren't you screaming about that just out of curiosity?

Besides, your "seperation of church and state" argument doesn't make much sense in this instance. Seperation of church and state was written in so there couldn't be a state sponsored religion. Basicly so the government couldn't force religious beliefs on people. Do you really think that's what's being done by teaching creationisim alongside evolution? They are not forcing Christianity on the students but rather presenting an alternative viewpoint. Allow me to quote you and say "you're an idiot if you think otherwise".

One more quick point. According to the latest census 76.5 percent of the nation (156 milion people) claimed to be Christian. Now, according to most of you that bash religion christians don't agree with evolution. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this by now but if you don't I'll spell it out. According to the census over 3/4 of our nation has beliefs that run contrary to what is being taught in public schools. Yet strangely I don't hear them crying about evolution being taught as the only theory as to the origin of the world. What I do hear is you bitching about creationisim being mentioned as an alternative view. Funny isn't it? You could also draw several other conclusions from these numbers. 1) Many of the members of this overwhelming christian majority are simply "cultural christians" like QT. 2) Perhaps the the "christian majority" isn't quite the overwhelming force you cry about it being and perhaps they're not pushing religion on you after all. I mean, 3/4 of the country should have the power to change what's taught in schools but evolution's been there for quite a while. But, those are facts and I'm sure you're not interested in those.

Lets teach that the sun goes around the earth too...so we can have an "alternative viewpoint."

Silly, there is no sun. That's the Holy Maglite of God. The bodies of the Nonbelievers are used to fuel its Everlasting Flame.



- M4H

I shall from this point forward refer to fat chicks as simply "D cells."

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Palek
Well, my sarcasm meter exploded after reading the initial post.

Way to go guys, a "hate group" is just what was missing from this message board. I would not find your idea repulsive if your motives weren't so blatantly obvious. Starting a discussion about stem-cell research, abortion, etc. - I think that would be great. Even though these issues have been discussed before, it does not mean that everything that could be said has been said. But to start a support group for folks that hate/oppose Christians, now that is just juvenile and pathetic. Grow up and learn to accept people with different faiths/opinions. And if you really want to change them, you have to be a LOT more tactful. "You are stupid and I hate everything you stand for" just will not convince most intelligent people.

Go say some Hail Marys. Didn't you just break a Commandment?

- M4H

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: iwearnosox

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
Eh, wasn't it Georgia that passed a law to allow creationism to be taught along side evolution? Bible thumpers are bent on getting religion into every facet of the government, despite the constitution.

... which is why the courts are there. The minority is protected.

It's a violation of the separation of church and state. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

You realize that in some schools books like the Koran are read? Why aren't you screaming about that just out of curiosity?

Besides, your "seperation of church and state" argument doesn't make much sense in this instance. Seperation of church and state was written in so there couldn't be a state sponsored religion. Basicly so the government couldn't force religious beliefs on people. Do you really think that's what's being done by teaching creationisim alongside evolution? They are not forcing Christianity on the students but rather presenting an alternative viewpoint. Allow me to quote you and say "you're an idiot if you think otherwise".

One more quick point. According to the latest census 76.5 percent of the nation (156 milion people) claimed to be Christian. Now, according to most of you that bash religion christians don't agree with evolution. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this by now but if you don't I'll spell it out. According to the census over 3/4 of our nation has beliefs that run contrary to what is being taught in public schools. Yet strangely I don't hear them crying about evolution being taught as the only theory as to the origin of the world. What I do hear is you bitching about creationisim being mentioned as an alternative view. Funny isn't it? You could also draw several other conclusions from these numbers. 1) Many of the members of this overwhelming christian majority are simply "cultural christians" like QT. 2) Perhaps the the "christian majority" isn't quite the overwhelming force you cry about it being and perhaps they're not pushing religion on you after all. I mean, 3/4 of the country should have the power to change what's taught in schools but evolution's been there for quite a while. But, those are facts and I'm sure you're not interested in those.

Lets teach that the sun goes around the earth too...so we can have an "alternative viewpoint."

Silly, there is no sun. That's the Holy Maglite of God. The bodies of the Nonbelievers are used to fuel its Everlasting Flame.



- M4H

I shall from this point forward refer to fat chicks as simply "D cells."

/sprays milk all over screen

I'm so tempted to sigquote you on that one

- M4H

 

[MercenaryForHire]

From the drunken, surly mouth of MercenaryForHire
"Seven deadly sins - seven days in a week.
Sounds like a challenge to me."

- M4H