AGP6800GS vs 7800GS

[Cygnus X1]

I want a 7800gs but I'm just to cheap to pay 300.00 for it, and of course I want the eVGA superclocked one. I only game at 10x7 due to monitor limitations but will be upgrading to a 19" LCD soon and I want to play BF2 at 12x10 at max settings. Give me a plan...

 

[CKXP]

with your setup, i say get the 7800gs, looking at firingsquad.com review it handles BF2 @1280x1024 nicely(55.6fps) with 4aa/16af, and hopefully the prices will come down soon.

 

[MTLink]

IMO, a 7800GS which beats out the 6800GS by only a SMALL PERCENTAGE is not worth spending $100 more. A 6600GT jump to a 6800GS is still very noticable. However, if you really want the best graphics performance possible then get it now. If you can wait, the price will come down in a month or two.

 

[Cygnus X1]

Originally posted by: CKXP
with your setup, i say get the 7800gs, looking at firingsquad.com review it handles BF2 @1280x1024 nicely(55.6fps) with 4aa/16af, and hopefully the prices will come down soon.

It's funny you mentioned the firingsqaud benchy. They use the same board I have so I can expect that kind of performance. Maybe I should just buy the cheapest stock eVGA 7800GS and overclock the darn thing myself.

 

[v8envy]

You've got a socket 939 cpu, great ram, and a fairly modern graphics card to sell.

Sell the 6600GT+mobo as a combo for $120 (or more). Buy a $280 7800GT + $90 pcie mobo if you're feeling rich, the $190 X850XT + $90 mobo if you're not. You could do the X850XT+mobo for 280 total, which is only a $160 upgrade. Waaay worth it.

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: Cygnus X1

Originally posted by: CKXP
with your setup, i say get the 7800gs, looking at firingsquad.com review it handles BF2 @1280x1024 nicely(55.6fps) with 4aa/16af, and hopefully the prices will come down soon.

It's funny you mentioned the firingsqaud benchy. They use the same board I have so I can expect that kind of performance. Maybe I should just buy the cheapest stock eVGA 7800GS and overclock the darn thing myself.

yeah, these cards have plenty of OC headroom.

 

[g00n]

I've made a very similair post here: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1797860&enterthread=y

I think its clear that the 7800 GS is superior in many scenerios. The question is how much more are you willing to pay for this slight advantage? More importantly, WHEN will the 7800 GS come down in price. Once they hit about $~250 it is a NO BRAINER. They cant stay at $300 for long. You can get a 7800 GT for the same or less. Its just silly how its priced. I am a bit annoyed actually.

Im asking the same question here that I'm asking in my thread. HOW LONG until the 7800 comes down in price? If the new Nvidia card has a paper launch in march this should help. This card should be $250 RIGHT NOW. It's just BS in my opinion. Sadly, I want to stretch the life of my p4 3.0 AGP system as long as possible by getting the best (and final) AGP card. I just dont want to wait 2 more months. :{

 

[Erasertone]

the bad thing about the 7800 GS is it's being limited by the bandwidth on the AGP. though it has lots of overclocking potential. the GS is base on it's PCIe cousins the GTX and the GT which means it's a bandwidth hungry chip.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Erasertone
the bad thing about the 7800 GS is it's being limited by the bandwidth on the AGP. though it has lots of overclocking potential. the GS is base on it's PCIe cousins the GTX and the GT which means it's a bandwidth hungry chip.

What the... So, so wrong. The 7800GS AGP has fewer pipes and is clocked much lower than the equivalently priced PCIe G70 counterparts. That's why it's slower.

A better (in many cases) performing X850XTPE posts frame rates within the margin of error of the test on AGP and PCIe. The same data is being shipped to both cards to render the same scene at similar frame rates. So, the 7800GS is is no way starved by the AGP bandwidth since the X850XTPE certainly isn't. Moreover, cranking the clock on the 7800GS shows almost linear performance increases with the clock speed increase, it has nothing to do with being limited by the AGP bus.

Nothing we have right now requires AGP 4x bandwidth, never mind 8x.

 

[Powermoloch]

I would wait a lil while longer. I'm not particularly impress with the 7800GS performance, but the 6800GS is fairgame.

 

[Erasertone]

Originally posted by: v8envy
What the... So, so wrong. The 7800GS AGP has fewer pipes and is clocked much lower than the equivalently priced PCIe G70 counterparts. That's why it's slower.

A better (in many cases) performing X850XTPE posts frame rates within the margin of error of the test on AGP and PCIe. The same data is being shipped to both cards to render the same scene at similar frame rates. So, the 7800GS is is no way starved by the AGP bandwidth since the X850XTPE certainly isn't. Moreover, cranking the clock on the 7800GS shows almost linear performance increases with the clock speed increase, it has nothing to do with being limited by the AGP bus.

Nothing we have right now requires AGP 4x bandwidth, never mind 8x.

alright I'm maybe wrong, But before you quote me again here's a review by Tom's, for those who are interested check this out--->7800 GS

 

[SickBeast]

What about ATI?

 

[imported_JamesDax]

The 7800GS is the way to go.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I remember a report about the 7800GS a few weeks back. It stated it would come in two versions, 100 and 200. Whatever happened to that? Any ideas?

 

[Cygnus X1]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I remember a report about the 7800GS a few weeks back. It stated it would come in two versions, 100 and 200. Whatever happened to that? Any ideas?

Don't tell me that the worse 100 version will come out at the 200 to 250 price point:disgust: I also remember that article

 

[Kalessian]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What about ATI?

Grabbing the x850xt from Microcenter is a MUCH better deal than the $300 GS.

IMO, v8 had the right of it. Go PCIe. Grab a $170 GTO2 and mod it.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What about ATI?

I don't want to sound like a fool but, like what?

I know a unlocked GTO2 is an option and a 850XT or XT PE would be good choices depending on price. But why Just stay "what about ATI"? I think thats the problem with this forum. Its always about the manufacturer and not about the actuall cards themselves.

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What about ATI?

I don't want to sound like a fool but, like what?

I know a unlocked GTO2 is an option and a 850XT or XT PE would be good choices depending on price. But why Just stay "what about ATI"? I think thats the problem with this forum. Its always about the manufacturer and not about the actuall cards themselves.

 

[Cygnus X1]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What about ATI?

I don't want to sound like a fool but, like what?

I know a unlocked GTO2 is an option and a 850XT or XT PE would be good choices depending on price. But why Just stay "what about ATI"? I think thats the problem with this forum. Its always about the manufacturer and not about the actuall cards themselves.

Ok let's talk about ATI. ATI prices are just out of bounds. I'm not sure if it's because they are based in Canada that they keep the prices so high but it is just unrealistic that there AGP X850XTPE is still at 400.00+. ATI GET YOUR PRICES IN LINE IF YOU WANT TO BE DISCUSSED ON AMERICAN FORUMS!

 

[Kalessian]

Um.

$190 AR?

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...77&Category_Code=Rebates&AFFIL=TH&NR=1

And the AGP x850xt was a similar price last month. I know because I bought one for somebody. Too bad that deal is dead, though.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What about ATI?

I don't want to sound like a fool but, like what?

I know a unlocked GTO2 is an option and a 850XT or XT PE would be good choices depending on price. But why Just stay "what about ATI"? I think thats the problem with this forum. Its always about the manufacturer and not about the actuall cards themselves.

Sorry about that, I have just seen three threads that SB has help tear including the AEG one. I just want to cut him off from starting the same thing here. When I read the thread I felt the User had already did the research or or felt these were his closest options, and instead of recommending an ATI alternative, he has either A was blinded by the rage of having a ATI card not be a choice or B. Was hinting a bias that OP might hold.

OP The GTO2 is a really stong option if you don't mind Flashing your firmware to unlock Pipes and run the core at XT PE speeds. Haven't looked at price or availability options lately though.

 

[Chriz]

Originally posted by: Kalessian

Grabbing the x850xt from Microcenter is a MUCH better deal than the $300 GS.

IMO, v8 had the right of it. Go PCIe. Grab a $170 GTO2 and mod it.

$349 for a X850XT is a better deal? Doesn't sound right.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Kalessian
Um.

$190 AR?

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...77&Category_Code=Rebates&AFFIL=TH&NR=1

And the AGP x850xt was a similar price last month. I know because I bought one for somebody. Too bad that deal is dead, though.

I don't know about the OP but I hate rebates. At 250 I would rather get the 7800GS and be able to run SM3 games in SM3. If I thought that a person could get the rebate in a timely matter that would be a completely different senario.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

I don't know about the OP but I hate rebates. At 250 I would rather get the 7800GS and be able to run SM3 games in SM3. If I thought that a person could get the rebate in a timely matter that would be a completely different senario.

Fine,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102483

$209, no rebate, and this X850XT is from Sapphire, not HIS. I'm sure if you look you could find a better deal.

A PCIe 6800GS can be had for as little as $170. At around $200, there are versions which are almost as overclocked as the only 7800GS worth considering -- the Superclock. A factory overclocked 6800GS PCIe vs 7800GS Superclock would be a very, very close race. The difference in performance will not be noticeable.

I know it's a badge of honor to say 'I'm still gaming like a modern man on AGP', but let it go. It's in the financial interest of both companies to stop supporting a second line of SKUs just for AGP. Help them out already.

 

[Cygnus X1]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Topweasel

I A PCIe 6800GS can be had for as little as $170. At around $200, there are versions which are almost as overclocked as the only 7800GS worth considering -- the Superclock.

My AGP system is fine...I will get the cheapest eVGA 7800gs and give it my own brand of Superclocked homestyle B!@^$!!! OH YEA!