AGPers.. rejoice!!

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JBT
7800GS @ 16 pipes? Thats a joke.... Why don't you guys just get X850XT's then? The regular 20 pipe 7800GT is barely better than an X850XT... Not sure why you guys are so excited. This doesn't prolong the life of AGP at all IMO. This is like a side step....

i just got an x850xt . . . i have a month to return or exchange it with no penalty . . .i'd like the option to see how it compares . . . and SM3.0 . . . .

what is MOST exciting about this is that nVidia sees "demand" for higher end AGP cards . . . that means ATi will also . . . which perhaps means we MAY see HIGHer end cards in AGP forthcoming . . .

at least that is what i am hoping.
although it is probably too late for me practically . . .

 

[lifeguard1999]

I do not have AGP, but this is good news for that crowd if it materializes.

 

[Subwayeatbig]

7800gs was a good overclocker i saw on one of your hated ... site... cough ngohq cough..... They were able to overclock it and get near the score of the 7800gt.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: n7
Meh, it's not gonna be all that much better than the X850XT...even the 7800GT isn't all that much better.
To me, this is just marketing.|

I've seen the GT beat out the X1800XT in some benchmarks. Throw in SM3.0, FP16HDR & it makes the X850 look antique.

If they can get the price in a good range a lot of people will be buying these.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Rollo
AGP is still dead, but I'm happy for all the "I'll give up my AGP mobo when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" crowd.

I agree. But with DirectX 10 video cards, next gen CPU's and Windows Vista so close I want to wait to build a whole new system. Something like this could really breath new life into my old Athlon.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: n7
Meh, it's not gonna be all that much better than the X850XT...even the 7800GT isn't all that much better.
To me, this is just marketing.|

I've seen the GT beat out the X1800XT in some benchmarks. Throw in SM3.0, FP16HDR & it makes the X850 look antique.

If they can get the price in a good range a lot of people will be buying these.

I'm stabbing again: $300

 

[Budarow]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel

Originally posted by: Rollo
AGP is still dead, but I'm happy for all the "I'll give up my AGP mobo when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" crowd.

Yeah, I can't imagine building a new system for myself and it not being another PCI-E system, but I've got 2 kid's rigs that have AGP and don't forsee building all new rigs for them. But, when Oblivion comes out and my son wants to play it using his 5900Ultra, I'm probably gonna havta spring for a new and better AGP card. It's not worth a whole rebuild (AXP @ 2250mhz, 1GB ram, sckt A). And with me on PCI-E now, I can't pass on my 6800GTs to his system like I always did in the past. So, I hope AGP stays alive for another year or two (cuz his rig is sure to drop down to his little sister by then and I'll need a card to keep it going).

I'm in the same boat with my 3 PCs on a LAN (2 AGPs and 1 PCI-E). The AGP systems have a 9800 Pro and X800XT PE and I've been debating on whether or not to upgrade the 9800 Pro. If there were more high end AGP video cards coming out, I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade the 9800 Pro knowing I could upgrade the mobo and cpu later on with a 939 socket setup.

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: n7
Meh, it's not gonna be all that much better than the X850XT...even the 7800GT isn't all that much better.
To me, this is just marketing.|

I've seen the GT beat out the X1800XT in some benchmarks. Throw in SM3.0, FP16HDR & it makes the X850 look antique.

If they can get the price in a good range a lot of people will be buying these.

I'm stabbing again: $300

No way. It should be easily the fastest AGP card should the actually choose to release it. You are thinking small with $300, I think more like $400. Yes, you could buy a 7800GTX for that some days, but you are too stubborn to move to PCIe, so likely you would just rather pay a premium.

Just my take, of course

 

[Subwayeatbig]

i highly doubt that they would put it 400 dollars.

 

[smthmlk]

whatever msrp is, the demand is going to be fairly large, and unless they have boatloads of these hitting shelves all at launch day, I'd expect quite a hefty price tag from your retailers: on the order of $50-150 over whatever the msrp is. That's my guess.

 

[tuteja1986]

well i think they will price it at $300 or they will kill the 6800gs sales.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: smthmlk
whatever msrp is, the demand is going to be fairly large, and unless they have boatloads of these hitting shelves all at launch day, I'd expect quite a hefty price tag from your retailers: on the order of $50-150 over whatever the msrp is. That's my guess.

that is when ATi steps in with a X1900xlx in AGP.

what do i know? . . . i can't sleep and i'm back to playing FEAR

 

[Subwayeatbig]

Im wondering if i should wait for the 7800gs or just go ahead and get an xfx 6800gs.... hmmm although I can wait a couple of weeks.

 

[tuteja1986]

then ati will strike back too with cheap core in agp that is same peformance as 7800gs maybe x1900xl agp ! making it awesome AGP price war again.

 

[Subwayeatbig]

hmm it looks like www.hexus.net is the only site that has info on it launching in february.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I don't understand the negativity by some? We don't know yet if it'll have unlockable pipes, or if with proper cooling the overclocking will be good, despite the bridge. Even without those factors there are some compelling features for some AGP users.

For instance, It will be the first nV AGP card with excellent gaming performance that has a fully functional purevideo engine. Before results started being posted, the AGP 6800Gs was getting a lot of criticism, but now it is evident some are getting 6800U performance, even better, for $230 or less, which many judge as equitable.

Pricing, as usual, will dictate wether it is a worthwhile investment.

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
well i think they will price it at $300 or they will kill the 6800gs sales.

a $300 price wouldn't surprise me upon first release, but if that's the case moving to PCIe and a <-$300 7800gt would look more attractive.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: CKXP

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
well i think they will price it at $300 or they will kill the 6800gs sales.

a $300 price wouldn't surprise me upon first release, but if that's the case moving to PCIe and a <-$300 7800gt would look more attractive.

Marketing at it's best

 

[Malladine]

frikkin sweet.

 

[tuteja1986]

well Nvidia plans to launch its 7600GT and that is same time 7800gs will be launched.

So i am just wondering the performance and price and how its going to fit in without killing 6800gs or 7600gt :! unless nvidia plans to confuse everyone :!

 

[ToddMcF2002]

I noticed a couple mentions of people wanting x1900 AGP. Personally, I'll be happy with a 7800GS because it will buy me a year or longer on AGP before the inevitable PCI-e rebuild. Doing it right now would be pretty wasteful - my machine is still very fast. On the other hand buying a $500 AGP card doesnt sound so smart. When you do upgrade to PCI-e you'll be throwing away an AGP card with significant risidual value.

If a 7800GS can play Oblivion and Gothic 3 - its my stopgap card

I'm sure many of the PCI-e fanboys havent considered the reality of their flippant "Upgrade now stupid AGP is dead" comments. For example - upgrading my setup is complicated. I can't just "chuck in" a new MB. I'll lose my RAID 0 data on a new RAID controller. That's a huge PITA. If I can't OC the new processor to at least a 940 FSB my expensive DDR500 latency becomes a liability and will have to go. There are good reasons people are still on AGP so STFU already. Talk about beating a dead horse. Yeah I registered primarily to say that.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: ToddMcF2002
I noticed a couple mentions of people wanting x1900 AGP. Personally, I'll be happy with a 7800GS because it will buy me a year or longer on AGP before the inevitable PCI-e rebuild. Doing it right now would be pretty wasteful - my machine is still very fast. On the other hand buying a $500 AGP card doesnt sound so smart. When you do upgrade to PCI-e you'll be throwing away an AGP card with significant risidual value.

If a 7800GS can play Oblivion and Gothic 3 - its my stopgap card

I'm sure many of the PCI-e fanboys havent considered the reality of their flippant "Upgrade now stupid AGP is dead" comments. For example - upgrading my setup is complicated. I can't just "chuck in" a new MB. I'll lose my RAID 0 data on a new RAID controller. That's a huge PITA. If I can't OC the new processor to at least a 940 FSB my expensive DDR500 latency becomes a liability and will have to go. There are good reasons people are still on AGP so STFU already. Talk about beating a dead horse. Yeah I registered primarily to say that.

Another good first post.

Even@a $30 premium over its PCIe counterpart, this card is viable in the AGP space as long as it unlocks and/or overclocks well. Your situation is a prime example of why some don't want to face an upgrade right now.

However, you are never throwing away your old card, just losing equity as with almost all computer hardware that you use a year+. Some "I must win this auction" type out there, will pay a good price for it when the time comes

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
well Nvidia plans to launch its 7600GT and that is same time 7800gs will be launched.

So i am just wondering the performance and price and how its going to fit in without killing 6800gs or 7600gt :! unless nvidia plans to confuse everyone :!

So it will look like this then for nVidia current production AGP cards:

6600GT to be replaced by 7600GT(I'm guessing $200 for a 12 pipe 350Mhz 128mb GDDR3)

6800le/nu/GT/Ultra replaced by 6800GS(I think this will dry up quick to drive 7XXX series sales, or risk dropping in price)

7800GS( guessing 16 pipe(now) 350Mhz 256mb GDDR3 at $300

The memory is pretty obvious, others are just speculation. But the core speed from the site states:

The AGP variant of the NVIDIA GeForce 7800GS seems set to feature a core GPU frequency of 350MHz, a frequency dictated by the fact that it?s, unsurprisingly, a PCIe to AGP bridged design.

Is that saying that the PCI bridge thinga maduhicky is shorting the clock speed? BUMMER!:thumbsdown:

Anyone know about this?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: ToddMcF2002
I noticed a couple mentions of people wanting x1900 AGP. Personally, I'll be happy with a 7800GS because it will buy me a year or longer on AGP before the inevitable PCI-e rebuild. Doing it right now would be pretty wasteful - my machine is still very fast. On the other hand buying a $500 AGP card doesnt sound so smart. When you do upgrade to PCI-e you'll be throwing away an AGP card with significant risidual value.

If a 7800GS can play Oblivion and Gothic 3 - its my stopgap card

I'm sure many of the PCI-e fanboys havent considered the reality of their flippant "Upgrade now stupid AGP is dead" comments. For example - upgrading my setup is complicated. I can't just "chuck in" a new MB. I'll lose my RAID 0 data on a new RAID controller. That's a huge PITA. If I can't OC the new processor to at least a 940 FSB my expensive DDR500 latency becomes a liability and will have to go. There are good reasons people are still on AGP so STFU already. Talk about beating a dead horse. Yeah I registered primarily to say that.

Mighty damn fine first post dude! *sings* "HAVE A DRINK ON ME!" :beer:

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
well Nvidia plans to launch its 7600GT and that is same time 7800gs will be launched.

So i am just wondering the performance and price and how its going to fit in without killing 6800gs or 7600gt :! unless nvidia plans to confuse everyone :!

So it will look like this then for nVidia current production AGP cards:

6600GT to be replaced by 7600GT(I'm guessing $200 for a 12 pipe 350Mhz 128mb GDDR3)

6800le/nu/GT/Ultra replaced by 6800GS(I think this will dry up quick to drive 7XXX series sales, or risk dropping in price)

7800GS( guessing 16 pipe(now) 350Mhz 256mb GDDR3 at $300

The memory is pretty obvious, others are just speculation. But the core speed from the site states:

The AGP variant of the NVIDIA GeForce 7800GS seems set to feature a core GPU frequency of 350MHz, a frequency dictated by the fact that it?s, unsurprisingly, a PCIe to AGP bridged design.

Is that saying that the PCI bridge thinga maduhicky is shorting the clock speed? BUMMER!:thumbsdown:

Anyone know about this?

The part about the bridge chip influencing speed is total & utter bullcrap. If it were true, how do you explain AGP 6600's with core speeds of 500mhz, 6800 Ultras, etc? (they all use the bridge chip...)