AGPers.. rejoice!!

[zagood]

Originally posted by: Brichy
Ey guys what do yu think about this:
6800 gs (agp native, can be unclocked to 16 pipes, easily overclocked core to: 420, mem: 1.1 Ghz)
vs
7800 gs (agp with bridge chip, 16 pipes, core: 350, overclock??? don´t know yet and it will be more expensive)

I don´t think there will be a great performance differences between these cards. I think I will buy the 6800 gs agp.

Depends on the price difference and benchies. If you can, wait. A $50 price difference and 400 points in 3dM05 would be worth it, a $100 difference and 100 points wouldn't be.

-z

 

[deepred98]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: TGS
Looks like a nice upgrade for the 6800GT and prior crowd, without the added expense of a new PCIE board.

That deal on the eVGA 7800GT + SLI mobo for $360 would be a better upgrade option in your situation though. You already have a socket 939 cpu, all you need to replace is the motherboard and video card. You'd be all set for another video upgrade in that rig, especially if you bumped up your proc at some point. I image that socket 939 will still have quite a bit of life even after socket AM2.

jesus they are about to kill socket 939 too, and introduce pci-e 2.0? :Q
quad-card setups?
btw when's triple core coming out?
i think its time these companies started slowing down and giving the average consumer some time to catch its breath

 

[Crescent13]

BOOOOOOO!!!!

All this is doing is preventing the advance of technology.

DIE AGP DIE!!!!!!!!

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Crescent13
BOOOOOOO!!!!

All this is doing is preventing the advance of technology.

DIE AGP DIE!!!!!!!!

Let me stab again:

You have a PCIe board.

 

[qoou]

I might get this card because I dont want a dual core system when quad core is right around the corner.

 

[MX2]

Will this card significantly outperform a 6800 GT I wonder?

 

[Cygnus X1]

So where does this leave me? I just put together my computer last June... I'm either a candidate to buy the pci-e evga mb combo or get this 7800gs card and pull one more year from this young build....

 

[Budarow]

Originally posted by: Cygnus X1
So where does this leave me? I just put together my computer last June... I'm either a candidate to buy the pci-e evga mb combo or get this 7800gs card and pull one more year from this young build....

nVidia and ATI have the right to release their products in whatever format they want, but people HAVE A RIGHT to complain about the lack of choices for their relatively YOUNG, FAST PCs with AGP. And IMO, peeps who don't like to listen to their complaints have NO right to speak out. The release of newer GPUs in AGP format hurts NO ONE. So please have some empathy for those with FAST CPUs and AGP mobos.

 

[Cygnus X1]

Originally posted by: Budarow

Originally posted by: Cygnus X1
So where does this leave me? I just put together my computer last June... I'm either a candidate to buy the pci-e evga mb combo or get this 7800gs card and pull one more year from this young build....

nVidia and ATI have the right to release their products in whatever format they want, but people HAVE A RIGHT to complain about the lack of choices for their relatively YOUNG, FAST PCs with AGP. And IMO, peeps who don't like to listen to their complaints have NO right to speak out. The release of newer GPUs in AGP format hurts NO ONE. So please have some empathy for those with FAST CPUs and AGP mobos.

AMEN!!! Can I get a halajula my brother.... I spend 1000 bucks on this box one year ago and now I just want a simple video card and people say move on noob agp is dead. I say take your finger out of your butt for one minute (please wash before posting to this thread and %*&@! OFF! In a nice kinda way...

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: MX2times
Will this card significantly outperform a 6800 GT I wonder?

I'm sure it'll be faster, but I'm still not going to bother replacing my 6800GT with one... at this point its still fast enough to play anything I want to at reasonable detail levels & frame-rates, so I'm going to hang in until either the real next-gen cards are released or 7800GTX's and/or X1800XT's come WAY down in price.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo
AGP is still dead, but I'm happy for all the "I'll give up my AGP mobo when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" crowd.

well then, it isn't "still dead" . . . yet, it is?

:roll:

It will NEVER be "dead" totally, but if you call getting a 16 350MHz card when I'll be getting a 32 pipe 700MHz card for PCIE "living" more power to you. (presuming I have some compelling reason to do so anyway- I'm pretty happy where I'm at)

The point is that AGP is added as a low end afterthought now, there are no high end AGP parts anymore, so to me and anyone desiring a high end card, AGP is dead.

 

[schtuga]

I have to agree.I think this card is just to replace the 6800gt/ultra with a lower process(110nm)making it cheaper.
16 pipe 350 clock,not a big dif aside from faster ram.

If you have a 9800/6600,yes this would be a good step up.But if you have a 6800/x800, then I don't see this as a big enough jump to warrant calling it an upgrade.

Unless it is unlockable.

Just my opinion

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TheoPetro
.........i hate you Nvidia. i grabbed a whole new mobo and videocard about 2 months ago because "agp is dead" argh. if they had released this lil guy a few months early they woulda had another sale. i wish i could just go over to them and kick em in the balls.

Hehe, looks like they got a sale from you anyway with your PCI-e 7800GT. So, its win/win for NV, and you have a new mobo to brag about?

 

[Wolfshanze]

The point is that AGP is added as a low end afterthought now, there are no high end AGP parts anymore, so to me and anyone desiring a high end card, AGP is dead.

Just as much as a 1965 Ford Mustang is dead. Yet, there's enough people around in this world who tune it up and rely on it to take them to work everyday and go on their holidays.

Just because you have something newer, doesn't mean something that is still perfectly useable and does what you want it to is "dead". It's only "dead" to the narrow minded and self-centered. If you have something newer, good for you... it's no reason to belittle or mislabel "dead" what somebody else uses and is happy with.

It's just amazing that threads dedicated to such a "dead" technology always attract the kind of people who think it's not worth talking about... if you're a big-time PCI-E person who considers AGP useless and dead, why do you "live" on the AGP threads so much?

If people talking about AGP bothers you so much, don't come to the AGP threads talking about how "dead" the technology is... it's an incredibly selfish and numbers-ignorant view to take... 70% of the market does not equal dead.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: qoou
I might get this card because I dont want a dual core system when quad core is right around the corner.

unless you use 3d studio max or a similar rendering program HEAVILY, dont even worry about quad core chips.

 

[qoou]

games will use it. look, COD 2 and Quake 4 both got patches by intel for dual core. Intel will likely do what they need to to enable quad core to work in new games as well!

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: qoou
I might get this card because I dont want a dual core system when quad core is right around the corner.

Quad core is nowhere near around the corner. Won't be around until late 08.

For Enterprise systems - Mid07/Early08
For Desktop - 2008+

We just started 2006. Means at least 2-year wait and a lot longer before you see substantial increases in gaming. Even with dual core patches, at 1600x1200 4AA/16AF there is very little benefit in Quake 4 from dual patch and COD2 patch doesnt even work.

The new trend in games is GPU limitation. If G71 and R580 do not lower X1800XT cards to $300 price levels, then for sure G80 and R600 will next september. By the end of this year, there will be 0 incentive to stay with AGP. New socket AM2, conroe intel cpu, DDR2 for both AMD and Intel, new OS, 2 gig of ram becoming standard, x-fi cards arrive in OEM (means lower price levels), g80/R600 will bring in DX10, unified shaders, 512mb ram standard. It'll be the perfect time to do a full system overhaul for most agp gamers if they waited this long. Hopefully by then a lot more games that benefit from dual core will arrive so that benefits can be achieved on both cpu and gpu levels. At the very least, s939 will drop to s754 levels and at least a cheaper upgrade path to PCIe can be foreseen.

I also have to agree with Rollo this time that buying a 7800GS 16 pipeline card wont solve any issues. Just as AGP ppl upgrade to these cards, more shader intensive games like COD2 and FEAR will come out and pummel even those cards into the ground. Even today 6800GT can barely play these games at 1024x768 4AA/16AF. In 1 year's time, can we really expect 7800GS to do better?

 

[qoou]

Inside that article was a little quote

The big news for the end of next year will be the first desktop processor product with four physical cores - although these are not going to be on a single die. Kentsfield is expected to hit the market in early or mid 2007

WHich is nearer than you said but further than I thought!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo
AGP is still dead, but I'm happy for all the "I'll give up my AGP mobo when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" crowd.

well then, it isn't "still dead" . . . yet, it is?

:roll:

It will NEVER be "dead" totally, but if you call getting a 16 350MHz card when I'll be getting a 32 pipe 700MHz card for PCIE "living" more power to you. (presuming I have some compelling reason to do so anyway- I'm pretty happy where I'm at)

The point is that AGP is added as a low end afterthought now, there are no high end AGP parts anymore, so to me and anyone desiring a high end card, AGP is dead.

i already have a 16 pipe 550Mhz card . . . so there is no compelling reason for an "upgrade" . . .

so, i'd say nVidia is considering AGP midrange . . . not "low end afterthought" . . . they still have to cater to the 70% of users still on AGP . . .

. . . and who know what ATi's partners will offer? . . . now . . .
:Q

 

[Matt2]

Old habits die hard.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
so, i'd say nVidia is considering AGP midrange . . . not "low end afterthought" . . . they still have to cater to the 70% of users still on AGP . . .

When this card comes out there will be 20, 24, 32 pipeline cards on top of it. (not to mention the 32 and 40 pipe single sli cards, or other possible variants of the 32 pipe card)

If you think having the 4th most pipelines, and at least the fourth slowest clock speeds is "midrange" and "no problem, AGP to stay", good for you.

It doesn't take a "hardware snob" to see 16 pipe cards that don't say X1800 are getting the faces ground into the dirt and the demand to "eat" issued by new games. If you want to keep playing 10X7, go nuts. Some of us want to see the modern stuff.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
so, i'd say nVidia is considering AGP midrange . . . not "low end afterthought" . . . they still have to cater to the 70% of users still on AGP . . .

When this card comes out there will be 20, 24, 32 pipeline cards on top of it. (not to mention the 32 and 40 pipe single sli cards, or other possible variants of the 32 pipe card)

If you think having the 4th most pipelines, and at least the fourth slowest clock speeds is "midrange" and "no problem, AGP to stay", good for you.

It doesn't take a "hardware snob" to see 16 pipe cards that don't say X1800 are getting the faces ground into the dirt and the demand to "eat" issued by new games. If you want to keep playing 10X7, go nuts. Some of us want to see the modern stuff.

Stop being so damn condescending. Stop posting drunk, it makes you seem like an asshole.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
so, i'd say nVidia is considering AGP midrange . . . not "low end afterthought" . . . they still have to cater to the 70% of users still on AGP . . .

When this card comes out there will be 20, 24, 32 pipeline cards on top of it. (not to mention the 32 and 40 pipe single sli cards, or other possible variants of the 32 pipe card)

If you think having the 4th most pipelines, and at least the fourth slowest clock speeds is "midrange" and "no problem, AGP to stay", good for you.

It doesn't take a "hardware snob" to see 16 pipe cards that don't say X1800 are getting the faces ground into the dirt and the demand to "eat" issued by new games. If you want to keep playing 10X7, go nuts. Some of us want to see the modern stuff.

There is no technical reason why AGP cards should be limited to 16 pipelines. AGP should be more than capable of supporting topend G71 & R480. Until graphics cards consume more bus bandwidth than AGP can supply (hasn't happened yet for single cards) AGP will continue to be viable. Instead of insulting AGP owners, help better our lot. Why should perfectly fine Athlon XP & socket 754 systems die just because intel wants (yet another) new motherboard platform?

 

[A554SS1N]

Right, jumped to the end of this thread...

Firstly, a 7800GS, being 'only' 16 pipes sounds good enough to me - means that there are some high end AGP parts for those that don't want to swap.

Secondly, if you really want more power - and more expensive cards - then the peeps moaning are obviously of a rich disposition anyway, or the type to update their PC every year, so why don't you moanies just get a full PC again or another motherboard (if you're have AGP with A64). I have no sympathy for people when there are X850XT cards and now 7800GS cards going to be available when I'm making do with a 6600GT!!! Stop moaning please, as it really does annoy me when I'm happy making do with a lot less performance because I can't afford these high-end expensive options. You're given a very able choice of part which could easily last another year or so.

/End my own moan because I've nothing better to do right now

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: remagavon
Stop being so damn condescending. Stop posting drunk, it makes you seem like an asshole.

I just get sick of arguing what to seem like self evident points to me. AGP is obviously largely been abandoned by the industry, and releasing a 4th tier card isn't the herald of it's triumphant return, or indicative of better stuff to come.

If they wanted to mine this "70% market" they'd obviously slap bridge chips on all the existing cards and sell them.

They want you to buy their motherboards.