Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
PC Surgeon... sorry if you took my post harshley... it just seemd the "White Elephant" bit seemed targetted right at me, as it did seem a poke in my direction... if not, I apologize. I have only spoken of the great White Elephant in regards to a 450MHz stock-clocked 6800GS, nothing more, ergo my confusion.
Back on topic:
To me, this still looks like NV mostly wants to get ppl to switch to pci-e, and the 7800gs is just them throwing a bone to the dogs - the agp peeps who desperately want a new card, and probably the same ones that "upgraded" form a gf2 gts to a gf4 mx.
I agree here... at first I was thrilled to see this release... then looking at the stats, this seems like a "side upgrade" if I were to consider a 6800GT to a 7800GS. It does indeed remind me of the GF2 to GF4MX debacle.
Wolfshanze, you are truly the doubting Thomas The difference between this and the 6800GT is this won't be nv40 based.
Yes Dapunisher, if you've seen the things I've seen you tend to like to see facts before believing in claims... now nobody has said much about the 7800GS before, and since it was exclusively a PCI-E product, I never paid it much mind. When I read the stats on it, it sounded identical to my 6800GT... I know it's not an Nv40 core, but I'm not sure how much faster (if at all) this card would be compared to say a 6800GT. If the core is improved, but all other factors stay the same (core-clock, memory & pipelines) it would seem much like the GF2 to GF4MX debacle. Slightly differant, but otherwise the same.
Dapunisher or others, please feel free to show me just how much faster the 7800GS is over a 6800GT. I'd love to be shown my card is a lot slower, because I'd like to think I could squeeze another video card out of this system. I'm hoping I'm wrong that identical core speeds, memory and pipes don't mean the same performance... PLEEEEEASE prove me wrong!
As was said earlier by munky, this smells a bit fishy. Why the 7800GS? Why not the 7800GT for AGP? Other then the core, this card looks identical to a 6800GT. I know the core of the 7800 is better, but how much of that turns into FPS or picture quality? Educate me... I'll be the first to admit I know little about the 7X00 chipset.