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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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I'll agree with the slippery slope comment. Perhaps I took it too far. Just found it absurd that providing kids a free meal was considered shaming them.

It's only shaming them because they do t get the choice in the matter. They also don't choose not to pay the bill. As KB pointed out, kids will shame their peers for anything under the sun, so why give them the pleasure of shaming them due to sammiches.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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At least they are being reasonable. These are some pretty big amounts owed by these parents. What choice do they have but to shame the kids in front of their peers?

I found those to be especially stupid. My wife works in a similar role and they dont chase kids for a nickel, or block their options for a trivial amount. That's an actively asshole admin Dept doing that.
 

Exterous

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It's not about school districts being between a rock and a hard place, it's about school districts going all in on bureaucracy and we'll paid administration.

Not all schools are given a choice in that. Often its mandated by governing bodies everywhere from the locally elected school board on up to the federal level.

If those school districts were that concerned about budgeting for their districts they would privatize and tell the federal government, thanks but no thanks.

Around here that is not a legal option
 

Exterous

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I found those to be especially stupid. My wife works in a similar role and they dont chase kids for a nickel, or block their options for a trivial amount. That's an actively asshole admin Dept doing that.

Or it could be that they are required to reach out to every single person with an amount owned by rule or law that the school didn't choose to make but is required to enforce (See: We must treat every child equitably)
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Not all schools are given a choice in that. Often its mandated by governing bodies everywhere from the locally elected school board on up to the federal level.



Around here that is not a legal option
It's the school boards I was referring to. Federal mandates only apply if you participate in the school lunch program.
 
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Majes

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It's only shaming them because they do t get the choice in the matter. They also don't choose not to pay the bill. As KB pointed out, kids will shame their peers for anything under the sun, so why give them the pleasure of shaming them due to sammiches.

Yeah, I went back and re-read the article. It doesn't seem like the cold lunches are a cheaper option. It seems it's purely to show the kids and other kids they owe money. So I'm on board with you guys now.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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At first I was disgusted by this, but thinking about it, when I was a kid, nothing was free. No money, no food at all. In fact I ate "cold" pb & jelly sandwiches my mom packed each day and ate them happily. Sun butter and jelly would have been a fine alternative to young me.

Coming from my background, this doesn't seem like a big deal. They are still getting free food and not going hungry. If there are no repercussions for not paying your lunch debt, why would you ever pay your lunch debt? Schools are trying to raise good students who will become good citizens. Good people pay their debts.

On the shaming aspect, kids will find a way to shame each other for almost anything. Whether its clothes, shoes or now, FortNite skins, they will always try to one-up each other in status. This is almost unstoppable.

I think, for those that believe this is a true problem, the only solution is to raise taxes and give every student an equal lunch without incurring debt. That is something voters should get a chance to vote on.

According to Il Douche, paying debts is for chumps.

Treating kids differently based on the actions of their parents is also for chumps.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Or it could be that they are required to reach out to every single person with an amount owned by rule or law that the school didn't choose to make but is required to enforce (See: We must treat every child equitably)

Sure, could be, but it's a bit silly to speculate as such considering what school districts can, will, and do get away with.

I'm comparing it to real world in a neighboring state, in a district that participates in Federal school lunch program.

And there's nothing I've seen that says they MUST limit their options because they owe a nickel, or even a few bucks. Our district doesn't operate like that, thankfully. Wonder how MA scores measure up to RI for standardized testing.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Yeah, I went back and re-read the article. It doesn't seem like the cold lunches are a cheaper option. It seems it's purely to show the kids and other kids they owe money. So I'm on board with you guys now.

Yea, cost wise it's not always on par with what youd think. Feeding our citizens should not be a point of contention or an opportunity to demean others. Glad you're on board
 

Vic

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So the parents in my area worked with the school district to set up a fundraising foundation which, among other things, provides free lunch and breakfast to all the public school kids. regardless of their parents' ability to pay.
 

FirNaTine

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If they have laws on the books preventing targeted donations to pay off meal debt, they need to be amended. I would bet the "marginalized" groups it might have been meant to protect are if anything over represented in the delinquent meal accounts.

Luckily where I live, we can and have done this. I have worked with a charity that provides backpacks full of school supplies at the beginning of the year, backpacks full of food for the weekend and breaks (when school meals aren't an option) and "adopts" kids to provide a bike and Christmas gifts for, provides beds for grandparents and relatives unexpectedly caring for kids due to substance abuse, incarceration, etc.

When there are leftover funds from a particular need, they periodically wipe out student meal debt. Other than a few key folks in the middle (organizers and school staff who connect the donations with those in need) it is anonymous. I have no idea of the race/religion/parental status, etc. of those I give to, nor do they of those who gave.
 

zinfamous

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yea, this is just aggravating



Makes you wonder wtf is wrong with Warwick districts. Also makes me wonder if the same people donating would support higher taxes to fund lunch for all the kids. I definitely support breakfast and lunch for the kids guaranteed, and my feels makes me wanna support the same for teachers and staff...but I'm a socialist pigdog.

They are run by glenn1 types that demand the poor suffer in greater misery, again and again and again, regardless of the endless labor exploitation that most face, so long as they "learn their lesson for being so poor!"
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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They are run by glenn1 types that demand the poor suffer in greater misery, again and again and again, regardless of the endless labor exploitation that most face, so long as they "learn their lesson for being so poor!"
Ah, so raw doggin capitalism
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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They are run by glenn1 types that demand the poor suffer in greater misery, again and again and again, regardless of the endless labor exploitation that most face, so long as they "learn their lesson for being so poor!"

Wilbur Ross wonders why they don't just make more money. Problem solved!
 

DCal430

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Horrible that they have also included students on free lunch plans too. Apparently they allow students, including students on free lunch to "charge" for items on their student account. Many of these are very young students so they don't get the concept of what this means. Now until these very low income parents pay off this debt their child is stuck with a snowflower butter and jelly sandwich.

Absolutely vile what they school is doing.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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I would gladly take a sunflower butter and jelly sandwich over the warm meal slop served at the schools I went to.

If the kids were left with nothing to eat, that would be another thing entirely, but that is not the case.

Also, school districts cannot rely on charity to plan or manage their budgets. As admirable as it is that Chobani stepped up, they can’t fund every child in every school district across the country.

Not only that:

“the decision targeted parents who could afford to pay for the lunches but didn’t as well as parents who are experiencing hardship and haven’t filled out paperwork to get financial assistance”

National crisis of food insecurity not found.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I would gladly take a sunflower butter and jelly sandwich over the warm meal slop served at the schools I went to.

If the kids were left with nothing to eat, that would be another thing entirely, but that is not the case.

Also, school districts cannot rely on charity to plan or manage their budgets. As admirable as it is that Chobani stepped up, they can’t fund every child in every school district across the country.

Not only that:

“the decision targeted parents who could afford to pay for the lunches but didn’t as well as parents who are experiencing hardship and haven’t filled out paperwork to get financial assistance”

National crisis of food insecurity not found.
Those students who got nut butter and jelly sands. we're ALREADY budgeted and planned for. The regular food to feed them was already made. In other words, the normal menu food for them was thrown out at the end of the day. You know nothing of the federal lunch program. Keep trolling your boat though.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Those students who got nut butter and jelly sands. we're ALREADY budgeted and planned for. The regular food to feed them was already made. In other words, the normal menu food for them was thrown out at the end of the day. You know nothing of the federal lunch program. Keep trolling your boat though.
Budget, planned but not paid for, which is what forced the school district’s hand, and because the story went viral, the school district has to now nationally defend a tough policy decision. I’ll just paddle my boat around your bubble.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
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Budget, planned but not paid for, which is what forced the school district’s hand, and now because the story went viral, the school district has to now nationally defend a tough policy decision. I’ll just paddle my boat around your bubble.
As usual you ignore anything that doesn't for your viewpoint. Poor poor school district having to justify a stupid policy.
I know you thrive on attention though so, I won't bother to respond to your trolls any further.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Budget, planned but not paid for, which is what forced the school district’s hand, and because the story went viral, the school district has to now nationally defend a tough policy decision. I’ll just paddle my boat around your bubble.

Without knowing the inner workings of the school district, this is speculative.

What we know: Schools plan meals ahead of time, some meals farther ahead then others. Either way, the food is purchased ahead of time. So Magnus is correct in the fact that the hot meal lunches served on days these kids we're singled out were bought and paid for ahead of time, and if these kids would have typically gotten hot lunch...then it would be waste at the end....

Our district does turn a profit, so I'd be curious to know what the Warwick district is like.

Some of this may change depending on the hot lunch served, because it may have been re-served later, like pizza or maybe a burger.

Also, the school makes the choice to go after anyone, even for a nickel. This may or may not be an automated process. If it is automated, then the districts software should have thresholds to set what the trigger amount is.
 
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