Ahmadinejad interview

[kermalou]

yeah, Ajad is a true work of art. The funny thing is that his address belonged on the Animal Planet.

I loved Netanyahu's speech today, Are You Not Ashamed???

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: spidey07

Did or did not Germany commit genocide against the jews? Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?

Just for fun, did ot did not the US commit genocide against Native Americans? "Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?"

Did Americans attempt to wipe out an entire ethnic group deliberately?

Yes. For more information head to your local library and READ.

The fine point people might make is that native americans were in the way, but people went out and deliberately sought out Jews. That would be correct in that there was no official policy of genocide regarding American Indians (or whatever the PC term is these days), however there was no attempt to keep them from being killed when they resisted our westward movement and takeover of their lands. The Nazis and America had a policy of killing their respective "enemies". The difference is that my Cherokee ancestors and those who made them walk the Trail of Tears are dead. Not all who were victims of Germany are. This is still a timely issue. The slaughter of native Americans isn't.

I have to disagree. First off, I have to say that the government paying bounties on scalps is, IMO, seeking people out and attempting to kill off a culture. Granted, it was after the NA refused to give up the land they had settled for a few hundred years. I still see this as very similar to what happened with Jews in Eastern Europe by the Nazis. First Germans attempted to relocate and control them. Next they enslaved them. When that didn't "solve their problems" they went on to their "final solution". Very similar to what had happened here and what is happening in places like Darfur and in Serbia (Albania? I could have the wrong country here).

Next, there are still many Native American's who are desperately trying to preserve their heritage. The best they get is the absolute worst land available or small town size areas of wilderness which have been negatively, again my opinion, turned into casinos. In the next 20 or so years, there will be no more holocaust survivors alive (honestly I can't imagine there are very many left the way it is), yet Israel will still be a hot bed of war and destruction.

Imagine how things would have went if after their near extinction, the NA's were suddenly given New York City to govern and control and every person in the 5 boroughs were now under the will of that government.
Or Even better, if immediately after the War between the States, newly freed slaves and Northern Federalist businessmen were giving complete governing control of all southern states. I mean, look how well the carpetbaggers went over after the civil war. Hell, it took almost another 100 years for African American to truly have simple rights in the south. That isn't even close to governing.

I honestly have absolutely no god damn idea who thought it was ever a good idea to just up and turn Israel into a Jewish Theocracy (sort of, maybe psuedodemocracy is a better term, since I honestly don't believe anyone other than a person of Jewish religion could have a chance governing in Israel).

If we truly wanted to give something back to the Jewish People to make up for all their suffering, it would have been much more poetic to just give them governing control of Germany. I mean hell, genetically, most people "classified" as Jewish have very little ties to the Middle East and most are simple converts of Euro descent.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: CLite

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: spidey07

Did or did not Germany commit genocide against the jews? Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?

Just for fun, did ot did not the US commit genocide against Native Americans? "Answer that question first. Or is that some kind of media hyped conspiracy?"

Did Americans attempt to wipe out an entire ethnic group deliberately?

I think that is a key point. The fact is we acted awfully in our American history, over the course of about a 100 years we allowed greed and the desire for expansion to overrule any trace of morality in dealing with the native population.

However we never approached the brutality of the holocaust in shuttling Jews by the hundreds of thousands into gas chambers, killing 6 million over the course of 5-10 years. Yes we took over land and we forced some Indian groups on essentially death marches but the two events simply do not compare.

One was a direct extermination campaign that killed 6 million over the course of only a few years, while the other was a greed driven expansion campaign over the course of a 100 years that primarily killed Indians because of their lack of the proper antibodies. I'm not an apologist of our history, I just want to point out how different the two events were.

Conservative estimates of the amount of Native American's killed in the colonization by Europe is in the 10 million range. That is North America. If you start throwing in the Conquistadors and such, the numbers sky rocket. Some estimates put the total amount of dead in the 100 million range. That isn't a mistype. 100 million. In about 400 years worth of killing since Columbus landed (not counting 1900's on, since lets be honest there weren't many left). That is 250,000 every year.

Also, we, the US of A, didn't just send them packing and they didn't just have weak immune systems. We decided to invent germ warfare and kill them with smallpox. Most of those conservative estimates don't take in account those dead due to germ warfare.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
because the holocaust has nothing to do with the Jewish People gettting Israel. it was going to happen already. you need to look into the history of israel to understand it.

Being familiar with the history, I'm rather confident you have been looking at storybooks, but I won't bother to refute your argument if you can't be bothered to attempt to substantiate it.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I really love it how just because he is being nice to the .0000000000001% of jews (anti-zionist fanatics) that he would be nice to any jew.

I have no love for how you think he should be nice to people like yourself, who act like you have some God given right to hold Palestinians under overwhelming military force while colonizing what little they have left of their homeland out from under them. Opposing Israel's ongoing conquest of Palestine does not make Ahmadinejad or anyone else anti-Jewish, and far more Jews than the tiny fraction you claim are on Ahmadinejad's side on that issue.

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: peonyu
Lenin's grandfather was Jewish...

Let's see a link, Ulyanov was known for opening Russian Orthodox schools.

See here.

Originally posted by: SirStev0
I honestly have absolutely no god damn idea who thought it was ever a good idea to just up and turn Israel into a Jewish Theocracy...

Not a theocracy, but rather an ethnocracy. While religious leaders do have some authority in Israeli government, it is mostly a secular institution, and most Israeli Jews don't even consider themselves religious.

As for who thought it was a good idea, as I mentioned previously, the idea first gained popularity with armageddonist Christians and malevolent elitists. It wasn't until after the Nazi genocide that the idea gained widespread appeal, even amongst Jews.

 

[LumbergTech]

this is easily one of the most ridiculous threads I have ever seen

I can surely agree that any groups who were a part of the holocaust that didn't get better help with recovery should have been treated better, however, this has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with the jews or anything that they may have done wrong

this is the most thinly veiled attempt to try to blame the victim that i have seen in recent time

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
...this has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with the jews or anything that they may have done wrong

"The Jews" haven't done anything wrong, as any such groupings of people are not hive-mind collectives that act with one will, and it takes a bigot to think otherwise. However, some people have done and continue to do very wrong things, including exploiting the horrors of the Nazi genocide to support the ongoing occupation and colonization of what little of Palestine is left, and bigotedly grouping Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims as some hive-mind collective all deserving of suffering with their worst.

 

[Acanthus]

There have been massive genocides that have gone unnoticed for decades and even centuries.

The Armenians, the Rwanda genocide, Native Americans....etc

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: extra
Mel Gibson's dad isn't in charge of a country.

Neither is the president of Iran.

Originally posted by: extra
Normally he says it didn't happen--which is obviously nutso.

Can you quote any such statement from him?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4527142.stm

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has courted further controversy by explicitly calling the Nazi Holocaust of European Jewry a "myth".
"They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets," he said.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,553900,00.html
Germany's foreign ministry is sending a clear message to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ahead of his Wednesday speech to the United Nations ? don't deny the Holocaust.

If the rogue Iranian leaders does in fact make such a statement before the General Assembly, German diplomats will walk out. And Germany wants other European Union countries to follow, the foreign ministry was quoted by Reuters.

"We will leave the hall if President Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust or makes anti-Semitic statements ... we are making efforts towards a unified European position," a spokesman told Reuters on Tuesday.

As recently as last week, Ahmadinejad has called the Holocaust a lie, repeating the inflammatory statement as world powers weigh how to deal with Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Stating that the Holocaust did not occur during World War Two is a crime in Germany. Last week Germany's Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier condemned Ahmadinejad's most recent denial and called him a disgrace to his country, Reuters reported.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/c...abit/?cid=cs:headline2
Days before a visit to New York to address the United Nations, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is doing his best to isolate his country even further. Using a speech on Quds day, an anti-Israel holiday, Ahmadinejad questioned the Holocaust and blamed Zionists for using it as a false pretext for founding Israel as well. "If the Holocaust you claim is correct, why do you reject any research about it?" he said, according to the Los Angeles Times. "The Zionists are behind the ongoing wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Sudan." He might have more immediate problems on his hand than paranoid visions of Zionist conspiracies, however: thousands of protesters out for anti-Israel demonstrations instead used the state-sanctioned gathering to start a rare opposition rally with chants of "Oh, Hossein, Mir Hossein," in support of Mir Hossein Mousavi, who Ahmadinejad defeated in an election marred by fraud accusations. Many wore green wristbands, the symbol of the opposition movement.






From what I've seen of his statements on the matter, they have always been the same as they are now, and are simply misrepresented as denial of historical fact by nutsos who do believe the Nazi genocide of Jews should overshadow everything else, and are set on misleading others into supporting them on that.

On a side note, I consider referring to the Nazi genocide as "The Holocaust" nutso in itself. Of course I know many rational people use the term simply because it is commonly accepted, but knowing the traditional meaning of the "holocaust" is a sacrificial offering to a deity, using it to refer to genocide strikes me as outright insane. Such terminology suggests Hitler was some sort of high priest doing the work of God, which of course is the opinion of nutsos like John Hagee, but I figure most people only support that concept unwittingly, unaware of the theological implication of the term.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
because the holocaust has nothing to do with the Jewish People gettting Israel. it was going to happen already. you need to look into the history of israel to understand it.

Being familiar with the history, I'm rather confident you have been looking at storybooks, but I won't bother to refute your argument if you can't be bothered to attempt to substantiate it.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I really love it how just because he is being nice to the .0000000000001% of jews (anti-zionist fanatics) that he would be nice to any jew.

I have no love for how you think he should be nice to people like yourself, who act like you have some God given right to hold Palestinians under overwhelming military force while colonizing what little they have left of their homeland out from under them. Opposing Israel's ongoing conquest of Palestine does not make Ahmadinejad or anyone else anti-Jewish, and far more Jews than the tiny fraction you claim are on Ahmadinejad's side on that issue.

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: peonyu
Lenin's grandfather was Jewish...

Let's see a link, Ulyanov was known for opening Russian Orthodox schools.

See here.

Originally posted by: SirStev0
I honestly have absolutely no god damn idea who thought it was ever a good idea to just up and turn Israel into a Jewish Theocracy...

Not a theocracy, but rather an ethnocracy. While religious leaders do have some authority in Israeli government, it is mostly a secular institution, and most Israeli Jews don't even consider themselves religious.

As for who thought it was a good idea, as I mentioned previously, the idea first gained popularity with armageddonist Christians and malevolent elitists. It wasn't until after the Nazi genocide that the idea gained widespread appeal, even amongst Jews.

in response to bold: I know. I know. I know for a fact that more than that .0000001% jewish people are not on imafuckfacejad's side. why? because he calles for 1. the destruction of israel (people would die with it) and 2. denies the holocaust.

no regular jewish person is going to be on his side and i can assure you those ultra religious people in that video dont agree with number 2

 

[ahenkel]

Geez shifts blame a lot. As a bonus only he could make wearing a members only jacket evil

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
...

A simple "no" would have sufficed, but I suppose you would have needed the wherewithal to understand the question to manage that.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I know for a fact that more than that .0000001% jewish people are not on imafuckfacejad's side. why?

You think you know for a fact because you are too damn ignorant to even understand what your demogrphic claim means. .0000001% of the Jewish population of the world would barely constitute 1/100 of one person.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
....because he calles for 1. the destruction of israel (people would die with it) and 2. denies the holocaust.

And again your problem is ignorance, leaving you incapable of understanding what he actually has said, and instead leaving you with fanciful interpretations of it.

At least you two are doing your parts to discredit the stereotype of Jews being uniquely intelligent.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: CLite
One was a direct extermination campaign that killed 6 million over the course of only a few years...

Between 11-17 million were killed though the Nazi's program of genocide, with around 1/2 to 2//3s being non-Jewish people which Hitler also deemed sub-human.

Originally posted by: CLite
...while the other was a greed driven expansion campaign over the course of a 100 years that primarily killed Indians because of their lack of the proper antibodies. I'm not an apologist of our history, I just want to point out how different the two events were.

Rather, they were driving from their homes often killed for sport just like the Buffalo which provided their sustenance. They were also targeted with old fashioned biological warfare:

According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763:

P.S. I will try to inocculate the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.

On July 16 Amherst replied, also in a postscript:

P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.

On July 26 Bouquet wrote back:

I received yesterday your Excellency's letters of 16th with their Inclosures. The signal for Indian Messengers, and all your directions will be observed.

As my Cherokee great grandmother's entire family was slaughtered by such genocidal bigots, I take particular offence to attempts to excuse those monsters.

Originally posted by: polarbear6
My point of view is Hitler didn't had a purpose, while Americans did.

He most certainly did have a purpose. Granted, it was a purpose based on the absurd delusion that ethnic purity was necessary to insure Germany's continuing existence, but it was a purpose just the same.

Originally posted by: polarbear6
For Americans they had three options, go back to England and face the heat of industrial revolution, or get killed by native Americans. Although a trade agreement or something like that would have helped. And who knows maybe that's what they did for few of em.

Anyone who bothers to look at the historical record knows that colonists made and broke agreement after agreement. While they had the superiority of arms to hold their ground, they instead chose exploit that dominance to flood the continent with Europeans, clinging to the myth of "Manifest Destiny" as some Divinely ordained purpose for their genocidal conquest.

Kyle, supportive of your comments but directed to the apologists:

This is so predictable as soon as you point out people's hypocrisy, they start scurrying for finding some difference to rationalize with, itf they aren't too honest.

The point is that the stone thrown over the Jewish holocaust leaves a pretty glass house here it's being thrown in, period.

You can always cherry pick differences in your favor - as the apologists do here - as if it's a contest and if they can just show we're 20% lesss bad, we win.

But in this case you can certain ly also make a case that we're worse - while the German genocidal behavior was very limited in time to a few years and one especially evil party/leader who led the nation under tyranny down that road, the American genocide against the Native popluation had broad popular supprt for a very long time, over a century. While the Nazis to an extent hid the atrocitiees from the population, the American people were well aware an in support.

I was just reading of one typical poster iN Massachussetts offering 40 pounds per scalp of adult naticves, and 20 pounds per scalp ages 12 and under. A simply bounty.

It's just disgusting how people react to the facts on things like this - and it's really an indication why OTHERS are similarly unable to deal with the facts.

The Germans were unable to prevent the holocaust; the Japanese are still largely unable to even admit their massive killing of the Chinese (also a short-lived period).

People need to learn to get past the b-b-b-ut excuses for these things if they want to prevent the next wrongs - and be an example for others.

When the example we set is bad, it's not going to lead others to have values and avoid wrongs.

The whole BS about 'we had no option but to commit genocide or go back to England' - is just that sort of making crap up to rationalize the wrong.

It's hard to get past some bias - *we* need the land more than they did, but someone who wants to do the same to us, is violating our rights - but the bottom line is that the approach wasn't in any way human or moral, really, it was genocidal. Even Hitler deported many Jews before other nations said no more and they changed to genocide. The point isn't so much to compare the actions as to make the 'throwing stones in a glass house' reminder.

 

[kylebisme]

Heh, yeah Craig, your comments remind me of this how to make the case for Israel and win satire, though of course it can be applied to any nationalist argument:

You need to understand just one principle:

The case for Israel is made of four propositions that should always be presented in the correct escalating order.

1. We rock
   They suck
   You suck
   Everything sucks

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
...

A simple "no" would have sufficed, but I suppose you would have needed the wherewithal to understand the question to manage that.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I know for a fact that more than that .0000001% jewish people are not on imafuckfacejad's side. why?

You think you know for a fact because you are too damn ignorant to even understand what your demogrphic claim means. .0000001% of the Jewish population of the world would barely constitute 1/100 of one person.

I really love it how you are basing your whole defense on the fact that I put a few zeros. I honestly hope you did not actually find that number out. its an obviously made up value, but the point of using that value given was to show how small of a number it is.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
....because he calles for 1. the destruction of israel (people would die with it) and 2. denies the holocaust.

And again your problem is ignorance, leaving you incapable of understanding what he actually has said, and instead leaving you with fanciful interpretations of it.

At least you two are doing your parts to discredit the stereotype of Jews being uniquely intelligent.

"wipe israel off the face of this map" and plenty of proof he calls the holocaust a lie, in the OP's link and in the other thread in P&N.

bold is answers

and

It doesnt surprise me that you yet again are trying to banish any negatives said on israel by other places.


I honestly showed you a video showing how one of their leaders said " we desire death as you desire life" and other blabber bullshit and your best defense to it was " oh how can we know it was a real translation"

imadouchejad doesnt even believe that the terrorists from 9/11 actually did it.

I really want to hear you tell me how he DIDNT say that or mean that or some other bull shit

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I really love it how you are basing your whole defense on the fact that I put a few zeros. I honestly hope you did not actually find that number out. its an obviously made up value, but the point of using that value given was to show how small of a number it is.

You based your argument on a made up value, I simply called you out on it, as I had already provided enough evidence to dispute your absurd argument of less than a full person.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
"wipe israel off the face of this map" and plenty of proof he calls the holocaust a lie, in the OP's link and in the other thread in P&N.

He said netiher, and if you care to try to substante your claims to the contrary, I will show you where your arguments went wrong.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I honestly showed you a video showing how one of their leaders said " we desire death as you desire life" and other blabber bullshit and your best defense to it was " oh how can we know it was a real translation"

No, that wasn't my response, only your misrepresentation of it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I don't give a shit what you are trying to prove kylebisme, you are either trying to prove that you are so daft that even if he says things flat out in front of the UN they have interpreted it wrong or you are trying to prove that you are fucked in the skull so bad that you can't understand words spoken.

He needs to go, the Iranians think so and most of the world supports the Iranian people on that, unfortunantly there are idiots like you who do not and that is why these people are in power.

There are other good men you can defend, like Hitler, Stalin and Osama, don't stop with Adjamenfuck.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't give a shit what you are trying to prove kylebisme, you are either trying to prove that you are so daft that even if he says things flat out in front of the UN they have interpreted it wrong or you are trying to prove that you are fucked in the skull so bad that you can't understand words spoken.

I'm just not so daft as to claim he said things he never did, while you are apparently intent on proving yourself otherwise.

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
He needs to go, the Iranians think so...

Some Iranians think so, but can you demonstrate any majority wanting him forced out though external means? Besides, do you even realize that Ahmadinejad is not the dictator of Iran, but rather serves far down the totem poll from him?

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I really love it how you are basing your whole defense on the fact that I put a few zeros. I honestly hope you did not actually find that number out. its an obviously made up value, but the point of using that value given was to show how small of a number it is.

You based your argument on a made up value, I simply called you out on it, as I had already provided enough evidence to dispute your absurd argument of less than a full person.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
"wipe israel off the face of this map" and plenty of proof he calls the holocaust a lie, in the OP's link and in the other thread in P&N.

He said netiher, and if you care to try to substante your claims to the contrary, I will show you where your arguments went wrong.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I honestly showed you a video showing how one of their leaders said " we desire death as you desire life" and other blabber bullshit and your best defense to it was " oh how can we know it was a real translation"

No, that wasn't my response, only your misrepresentation of it.

I think this link is good enough to prove my point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zcElqetqk

im also linking " wipe israel off the face of the earth" on a google search for yout o go through plenty of those adds.

http://www.google.com/search?q...&rls=org.mozilla:en-US

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't give a shit what you are trying to prove kylebisme, you are either trying to prove that you are so daft that even if he says things flat out in front of the UN they have interpreted it wrong or you are trying to prove that you are fucked in the skull so bad that you can't understand words spoken.

I'm just not so daft as to claim he said things he never did, while you are apparently intent on proving yourself otherwise.

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
He needs to go, the Iranians think so...

Some Iranians think so, but can you demonstrate any majority wanting him forced out though external means? Besides, do you even realize that Ahmadinejad is not the dictator of Iran, but rather serves far down the totem poll from him?

Do i know that he's just a pawn exprssing the views of his higher ups?

Hmmmm... yes.

Now what you stupid twat?

 

[kylebisme]

Now you've still left a couple of points unaddressed, but I'm guessing you don't have the wherewithal to comprehend that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Now you've still left a couple of points unaddressed, but I'm guessing you don't have the wherewithal to comprehend that.

You're right, i don't really have the time to explain the simplest thing to the imbecils who don't get it the first time.

I DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER what Admenafuck says, he can't say SHIT without the agreement of those who control him, if he EVER did, he'd be so fucking dead that death would look alive in comparison.

Is that clear enough for your dumb arse?

And links to where he said what he said have been provided, you'll have to excuse me for not reposting them.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Now you've still left a couple of points unaddressed, but I'm guessing you don't have the wherewithal to comprehend that.

You're right, i don't really have the time to explain the simplest thing to the imbecils who don't get it the first time.

I DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER what Admenafuck says, he can't say SHIT without the agreement of those who control him, if he EVER did, he'd be so fucking dead that death would look alive in comparison.

Is that clear enough for your dumb arse?

And links to where he said what he said have been provided, you'll have to excuse me for not reposting them.

I seriously think we could drop you into Iran with a knife, a rubber band, and a stick of chewing gum and you could overthrow them all.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Now you've still left a couple of points unaddressed, but I'm guessing you don't have the wherewithal to comprehend that.

You're right, i don't really have the time to explain the simplest thing to the imbecils who don't get it the first time.

I DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER what Admenafuck says, he can't say SHIT without the agreement of those who control him, if he EVER did, he'd be so fucking dead that death would look alive in comparison.

Is that clear enough for your dumb arse?

And links to where he said what he said have been provided, you'll have to excuse me for not reposting them.

I agree. Wouldn't it be great if we hadn't been directly involved in creating that actual system that put such people in place. You forget that it was the West, specifically the UK and the US that created the fucked up system of gov in Iran. They had a democratically elected prime minister, but we decided a theocracy would be better at manipulating for oil. We made the whole mess and when it literally blew up in our face, now all we can do is complain about them.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
You're right, i don't really have the time to explain the simplest thing to the imbecils who don't get it the first time.

I DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER what Admenafuck says, he can't say SHIT without the agreement of those who control him, if he EVER did, he'd be so fucking dead that death would look alive in comparison.

Is that clear enough for your dumb arse?

And links to where he said what he said have been provided, you'll have to excuse me for not reposting them.

I find it sad how morons just scream and curse when confronted with the fact that they can't substantiate their arguments, but I can't bring myself to excuse anyone for such nonsense.

Originally posted by: SirStev0
I agree. Wouldn't it be great if we hadn't been directly involved in creating that actual system that put such people in place. You forget that it was the West, specifically the UK and the US that created the fucked up system of gov in Iran. They had a democratically elected prime minister, but we decided a theocracy would be better at manipulating for oil. We made the whole mess and when it literally blew up in our face, now all we can do is complain about them.

Actually, we installed a secular dictator to squash their socialist democracy, to which they responded by rejecting western influence overthrowing our chosen dictator to replace that with a theocratic republic.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
You're right, i don't really have the time to explain the simplest thing to the imbecils who don't get it the first time.

I DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER what Admenafuck says, he can't say SHIT without the agreement of those who control him, if he EVER did, he'd be so fucking dead that death would look alive in comparison.

Is that clear enough for your dumb arse?

And links to where he said what he said have been provided, you'll have to excuse me for not reposting them.

I find it sad how morons just scream and curse when confronted with the fact that they can't substantiate their arguments, but I can't bring myself to excuse anyone for such nonsense.

Originally posted by: SirStev0
I agree. Wouldn't it be great if we hadn't been directly involved in creating that actual system that put such people in place. You forget that it was the West, specifically the UK and the US that created the fucked up system of gov in Iran. They had a democratically elected prime minister, but we decided a theocracy would be better at manipulating for oil. We made the whole mess and when it literally blew up in our face, now all we can do is complain about them.

Actually, we installed a secular dictator to squash their socialist democracy, to which they responded by rejecting western influence overthrowing our chosen dictator to replace that with a theocratic republic.

Meh, It was more like the secular dictator imprisoned or exiled any leader associated with the former gov allowing the power balance to fall into the hands of the Muslim radicals who then over ran the puppet government. Point is we fucked over every sensible freedom loving person merely to feed our greed allowing the country to fall into its current radical oppressive state.