Always easy to point fingers. When our countries used 100-200 years to do what they have done in 30.
What's your point. Are you saying it's ok for them because we did it too?
They work what they can to reduce it. Higher efficiency, huge amounts of money invested into renewable energy, building all the nuclear plants that the world got capacity to build. But when you are transforming 1.3 billion people into a western lifestyle in a short amount of time. It has to be this way.
You always have to look inside first. When an average american household uses 11500Kw/h and a german uses 3100kw/h. Who needs to reduce? (The answer is both.)
Western households should actually be down to around 1500Kw/h a year at this time. My own household is around 1000Kw/h a year.
The US got 300 million people and they use the same amount as 1.3 billion chinese.
Little history example in pollution. Pittsburgh anno 1950s.
Pollution was once so bad in Pittsburgh that it could block out the midday sun.
They work what they can to reduce it. Higher efficiency, huge amounts of money invested into renewable energy, building all the nuclear plants that the world got capacity to build. But when you are transforming 1.3 billion people into a western lifestyle in a short amount of time. It has to be this way.
You always have to look inside first. When an average american household uses 11500Kw/h and a german uses 3100kw/h. Who needs to reduce? (The answer is both.)
Western households should actually be down to around 1500Kw/h a year at this time. My own household is around 1000Kw/h a year.
Thats 300 million americans vs 1350 million chinese. Is that fair? And we point fingers?
So, the answer to my question is?
Compared to the US, they can polute basicly 4 times as much as they do now. And be in they "right" to do so. Per capita the US is the number 1 poluter in the world. Its the last country on earth that should tell or educate anyone else in this matter.
Perhapsm also explains why the US wont agree on international commitments in the area.
What 2 countries made the great garbage patches the size of texas in the pacific?
Even in the worst neighborhoods in the US, those people still have access to clean water.
Short answer to my questions = yes, yes you do believe it's ok and we shouldn't learn from our mistakes as a race. Ok, cool. I'll take your opinion for what it's worth, an opinion.
I knew you would have that attitude. Its ok for you to pollute 4 times more than a chinese. And you want others to reduce their pollution and do all the work? You are a hypocrite.
If the US just got down to european pollution per capita amount. 10% of the worlds pollution would be gone.
They work what they can to reduce it. Higher efficiency, huge amounts of money invested into renewable energy, building all the nuclear plants that the world got capacity to build. But when you are transforming 1.3 billion people into a western lifestyle in a short amount of time. It has to be this way.
You always have to look inside first. When an average american household uses 11500Kw/h and a german uses 3100kw/h. Who needs to reduce? (The answer is both.)
Western households should actually be down to around 1500Kw/h a year at this time. My own household is around 1000Kw/h a year.
Thats 300 million americans vs 1350 million chinese. Is that fair? And we point fingers?
We all want education, consumer goods, technology, science yet we want to reduce pollution and live in a better world? Please get your priorities right. You can't have all that and yet have a clean world. Now that all the countries in the world want to be Western, multiply the destruction of the earth several times.
Yes you can. Quit being a Defeatist.
Have you not seen the destruction of the earth in the 21st century? Imagine that level of destruction continuing in the upcoming decades, let alone centuries. With the huge population growth rates in poor countries (due to science), combined with their appetite for Western style life, I don't see anything good. All I see is more focus on science, education, material goods, consumerism. Rather than respecting the earth, we're trying to find new ways, through science, to manipulate it to suit our needs. How long can this continue?
That's just the smell of property rights and economic growth.Beijing air pollution soars to hazard level
The air smells of coal dust and car fumes
Have you not seen the destruction of the earth in the 21st century? Imagine that level of destruction continuing in the upcoming decades, let alone centuries. With the huge population growth rates in poor countries (due to science), combined with their appetite for Western style life, I don't see anything good. All I see is more focus on science, education, material goods, consumerism. Rather than respecting the earth, we're trying to find new ways, through science, to manipulate it to suit our needs. How long can this continue?
You assume nothing will change. I have Hope that it will.
The Western society's hubris in its technology shall be its DOOOOOMMMM!!!
Do they? I heard fracking pollutes the water and sometimes even gasses the houses.
Technology? No. Economics? Possibly. Failure of Politics/Power? Most likely.
It's all connected. Nothing happens by itself. Everything we do affects something else.