Air pollution in Beijing deadly for humans

Dari

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This is according to official and unofficial numbers. This is scary.

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Beijing air pollution soars to hazard level
The air smells of coal dust and car fumes

Readings from both official and unofficial monitoring stations suggested that Saturday's pollution has soared past danger levels outlined by the World Health Organization (WHO).

The air tastes of coal dust and car fumes, two of the main sources of pollution, says a BBC correspondent.

Economic growth has left air quality in many cities notoriously poor.

A heavy smog has smothered Beijing for many days, says the BBC's Damian Grammaticas, in the capital.

By Saturday afternoon it was so thick you could see just a few hundred metres in the city centre, our correspondent says, with tower blocks vanishing into the greyness.

Hazy view

Even indoors the air looked hazy, he says.

Some people are wearing masks
WHO guidelines say average concentrations of the tiniest pollution particles - called PM2.5 - should be no more than 25 microgrammes per cubic metre.

Air is unhealthy above 100 microgrammes. At 300, all children and elderly people should remain indoors.

Official Beijing city readings on Saturday suggested pollution levels over 400. Unofficial reading from a monitor at the US embassy recorded 800.

Once inhaled, the tiny particles can cause respiratory infections, as well as increased mortality from lung cancer and heart disease.

Last year Chinese authorities warned the US embassy not to publish its data. But the embassy said the measurements were for the benefit of embassy personnel and were not citywide.
 

jagec

Lifer
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This is exactly why we have the Clean Air Act. Our cities were heading down the same road before then.
 

Wag

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This is only the beginning. Just wait for China to have more cars.
 

BoomerD

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This is exactly why we have the Clean Air Act. Our cities were heading down the same road before then.

So the corporations moved their manufacturing operations to a country that has no "Clean Air Act."
 

Nintendesert

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The one child policy isn't reducing the population fast enough, this is just another phase of the government's plan there.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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So the corporations moved their manufacturing operations to a country that has no "Clean Air Act."

Exactly, can't have unregulated manufacturing in one country? Find a different one. Fuck the Earth, we don't need it anyways...
 

Xecuter

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The government shouldn't tell me what kind of energy I use! Drill baby drill
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Los Angeles in the 1960's

SoCal has a marine layer depending on weather conditions. How much of that is simply moisture? Hard to tell in black and white.

However, I will testify to your argument in general. LA has trouble with air quality.
 
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Doppel

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Can everybody in p&n who wants an end to the EPA please be forced to enter this thead and explain themselves?
 

Svnla

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LOL, for a second, I thought this thread was created by FuzzyBunny (from his many critical posts of Chinese government while he is in China currently).

Fuzzy, are you still able to breath over there, buddy?
 
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ShintaiDK

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Oh please, hurting the US, Europe and Japan? US, Europe and Japan have polluted the world to hell for 100years+. And now we are suddenly offended?

Thats double standards.

Air pollution is bad anywhere. And some places are hurt more than others, either because they produce more or by having a different geographical location.

Move Japan for example to somewhere else. And you might have trouble seeing the sun. Just from japanese pollution.
 

SheHateMe

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You think the air is bad? Check out reports on the water quality in China, its terrible. Algae blooms, trash in the water....most of those people are living in squalor. Its horrible.
 

sandorski

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Wow, that's nasty. It's only a matter of time before China makes their own EPA with strict standards. One Heat Wave with those conditions will kill thousand, perhaps 10s of thousands, and they'll have no choice but act.
 

Dari

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Wow, that's nasty. It's only a matter of time before China makes their own EPA with strict standards. One Heat Wave with those conditions will kill thousand, perhaps 10s of thousands, and they'll have no choice but act.

It's one thing to have a government that regulates certain aspects of the economy. It's quite another to get powerful companies and industries to abide by them. The country is too damn corrupt with clan-like groups that put their interests before that of society.

http://www.economist.com/news/china/21567427-who-really-holds-power-china-vertical-meets-horizontal

Vertical meets horizontal

Who really holds the power in China?

Dec 1st 2012 | BEIJING | from the print edition


IN THIS year of drama, intrigue and scandal at the highest levels, the opaque machinery of China’s political system has received unusual scrutiny. The outcome of intra-party manoeuvring among China’s ruling Communist Party officials was finally revealed in November, at the 18th Party Congress. Now, as Xi Jinping and other party leaders get their feet under their new desks, the focus turns to the reshuffling of senior government posts due in March.

But even when that is done, there will still be plenty of mystery. China’s power grid is a tangle of interlocking entities, overlapping vertical and horizontal lines of authority, and complex interplay between government, party and military bureaucracies. The arrangement borrows much from the Leninist model of the Soviets, who pioneered it for themselves and decades later helped adapt it to China.

For foreigners, the first challenge is determining whether the officials they meet actually have the authority implied by their titles. Diplomats meeting counterparts in China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, for example, are dealing with some of the least powerful actors in the system. Positions that foreigners expect to be powerful, such as foreign minister, defence minister and finance minister, are not even members of the Politburo, let alone its standing committee.






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Kenneth Lieberthal, a China specialist and former senior American official now at Brookings, a think-tank, points to a profound “lack of co-ordination between the foreign ministry and the military.”

He served on America’s National Security Council from 1998 to 2000, and recalls that American naval commanders needed to check with his office before entering sensitive waters. His office would then consult other agencies. “We said no 60% of the time, and no meant no. And we never heard another peep,” he says. Chinese diplomats, says Mr Lieberthal, are not consulted and hear of such events afterwards.

This is one consequence of all those jumbled horizontal and vertical lines. The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) enjoys the same rank as China’s State Council, or cabinet, meaning the executive branch of the government can issue no orders to the PLA. Even the Ministry of Defence lacks command authority over China’s armed forces, functioning mainly as a vehicle for interacting with foreign armed forces.

Instead, the party, through its Central Military Commission (CMC), commands the army. “Civilian control of the army is deeply ingrained,” says Mr Lieberthal, “but civilian supervision and co-ordination with other organs is very weak.”






Things become even more complex when several agencies take an interest in an issue, as in the South China Sea, where China is embroiled in territorial disputes. A report by International Crisis Group, an NGO, counted 11 agencies asserting their interest, including provincial governments, the navy and the Bureau of Fisheries Administration. “The conflicting mandates and lack of co-ordination among Chinese government agencies have stoked tensions in the South China Sea,” the report said.

In China more power is held by “leading small groups”, informal bodies that report directly to party leaders, than by ministers, who control portfolios in most systems of government. There have been calls, not least from foreign governments, to raise the profile of foreign-affairs experts within the system. Some Chinese analysts suggest a National Security Council to co-ordinate policy, but such calls have met with institutional resistance.

Don’t tell me what to do

Internal affairs also have tangled webs of power. Central ministries rank equal to provincial governments. So do many large state-owned enterprises (SOEs), a fact which, according to a study by America’s Congressional Research Service, leads to vast regulatory difficulties. SOEs, it said, sometimes outrank party and state leaders in their locales, and so are not bound by their orders. China’s five largest banks have comparable rank to the banking regulator, allowing them to resist oversight.

Jean-Pierre Cabestan of Hong Kong Baptist University says the same problem plagues sectors like oil, gas and heavy industry, where SOE leaders enjoy the rank of minister-level officials. Some, he says, also serve on the powerful party Central Committee. “These SOE leaders belong to the nomenklatura. They are aristocrats, or promoted through connections,” he says. For the party-state apparatus, Mr Cabestan adds, it is vital that the most important positions stay in the hands of people who can be trusted.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Oh please, hurting the US, Europe and Japan? US, Europe and Japan have polluted the world to hell for 100years+. And now we are suddenly offended?

Thats double standards.

Air pollution is bad anywhere. And some places are hurt more than others, either because they produce more or by having a different geographical location.

Move Japan for example to somewhere else. And you might have trouble seeing the sun. Just from japanese pollution.

Yes, it's a terrible idea for Human's to learn from their mistakes.
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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It's one thing to have a government that regulates certain aspects of the economy. It's quite another to get powerful companies and industries to abide by them. The country is too damn corrupt with clan-like groups that put their interests before that of society.

When a lot of people start dying, they'll do something. In China that likely means that heads will roll, literally. Corrupt Officials, corrupting Business persons, and others can go from Respected Citizen to Executed Citizen in a matter of months.
 

ShintaiDK

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Apr 22, 2012
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You think the air is bad? Check out reports on the water quality in China, its terrible. Algae blooms, trash in the water....most of those people are living in squalor. Its horrible.

What 2 countries made the great garbage patches the size of texas in the pacific?
 

ShintaiDK

Lifer
Apr 22, 2012
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It's one thing to have a government that regulates certain aspects of the economy. It's quite another to get powerful companies and industries to abide by them. The country is too damn corrupt with clan-like groups that put their interests before that of society.

http://www.economist.com/news/china/21567427-who-really-holds-power-china-vertical-meets-horizontal

That reminds me of another country...its right on my tongue. Politicians get payed by companies to make sure certain laws happen or dont happen.

What could it be....
 
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