Yep, agree, again, planes do fly through storms but extreme one's can have micro-bursts and unusual winds that can overwhelm a pilot or airframe, that's why pilots try to avoid going through the heavy stuff.
Profits over people. The airliner knew the weather condition. Hailstorms and a large number of severe thunderstorm with tops as high as 50,000ft. And the flight path was so tight that they were denied the deviation to flight level 380.
They should have delayed all flights until the conditions permitted a safe flight.
It's hard to even look when the storm was still there. Give it a bit of time at least.dang they still can't find this plane? that sucks....
dang they still can't find this plane? that sucks....
The thing about all airline flights is that, almost all the time, it's the co-pilot that is piloting the plane, not the pilot. Why? Because he's learning. The only time the pilot really takes control is during takeoffs and landings.
That's kind of common sense but what's your point? The co-pilot is at fault? The pilot didn't take over at a crucial moment and could have prevented catastrophe?
There is no "GPS beacon"...
...There is no expectation of any signal from any modern airliner after it crashes into water, except for the black box beacons.
I imagine the typical passenger tard expects that one or two of those blinky lights up in the cockpit is attached to the "send help" beacon in case they crash in water or anywhere else.
It is (and isn't) surprising as hell to me that the current method of finding a crashed plane consists mostly of cruising around and looking for it (if the sun is out and the weather is nice). What I expect is a system that pinpoints the crash location so rescue can be alerted before the plane even hits the Earth.
Of all the things that are known to be possible with technology I don't buy the justifications given for delay in finding these planes.
Who are you intending to rescue when an airliner has a catastrophic failure at crusing altitude?I imagine the typical passenger tard expects that one or two of those blinky lights up in the cockpit is attached to the "send help" beacon in case they crash in water or anywhere else.
It is (and isn't) surprising as hell to me that the current method of finding a crashed plane consists mostly of cruising around and looking for it (if the sun is out and the weather is nice). What I expect is a system that pinpoints the crash location so rescue can be alerted before the plane even hits the Earth.
Of all the things that are known to be possible with technology I don't buy the justifications given for delay in finding these planes.
I'm sorry you don't understand why people in the Airline industry do the things they do.
The blinky light IS attached to the send help beacon. The problem is that, in the case of a ocean landing, the send help beacon needs to penetrate several miles of ocean in order to get a signal out, which isn't happening. As for the plane in the air, planes can fly for a damn long time even without any power, and if a plane loses all power and it can't run the location tracking systems, even when searchers know the last known location of a plane, there is still a huge area they have to search for debris. Have you seen the ocean? A plane is a insignificant speck compared to the entire thing.
In 99.99% of cases, the system works perfectly fine. But you can never account for that last .01% which is what these last two incidents are. That last .01%.
Who are you intending to rescue when an airliner has a catastrophic failure at crusing altitude?
Fuck if I know. Sometimes a drunk guy and a baby will survive these things. The issue is more the "Derp! Can't find the plane...:awe:" when they land in the water. I stand by my disagreement with that being reasonable.
You don't have to be sorry for me not fully understanding the airline (no caps) industry. People/companies do all sorts of shit I don't understand. That's kinda my point.
That sounds like more of the blah blah weak justification for failure that I was getting at. (OMG! The ocean is big? No shit dude. Seriously, GTFO with that.) We can land R2D2 on an asteroid and hit flying bullets with a freaking laser but finding a plane crash in the water is just unpossible. I'm an idiot for even suggesting such a thing.
You're assuming that they can't find it. It's barely been a day.
Dumb comparison. Spaceflight dynamics is fairly simple because there isn't much in space to mess up sensor data, the distances involved means that searches encompass massive areas at once, and the majority of spaceflight mechanics can be calculated by a college junior and a graphing calculator.
Secondly, we tend to know exactly where things are because we have entire companies dedicated to tracking a single object in space.
Also our rocket/missile.projectile interception systems aren't as good as you think. They're good, but we still rely on the "fill the sky with as much shit as possible and hope that something intercepts the projectile" method.
There is a reason submarines are relevant in modern warfare. The ocean is so damn big and there is so much shit between you and a sensor, that if you don't want to be found, its really really hard to find you. And even if you don't care, it's still hard to find because there is a lot of area to search, and searches can only focus on small areas at a time.
Hell in Air France, we know exactly where it went down, and it still took 5 days to get at wreckage.
Who are you intending to rescue when an airliner has a catastrophic failure at crusing altitude?
I think this is a mechanical issue. Other airplanes are flying in the area at the same altitude at the same time, but didn't go missing.
The ONLY reason these airplanes are not tracked is cost. Enabling 1 second update rates requires money for new avionics and for the service. Unless it is mandated for these budget airlines (or any airline) then the cost will always override the safety benefit. Profit > safety.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/12/30/airasia-red-white/
Not a strong ID of the debris...
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/12/30/airasia-red-white/
Not a strong ID of the debris...