AirAsia flight from Indonesia to Singapore missing

[Mixolydian]

Do these things ever end well?

No.

 

[JEDI]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asi...ng&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

It has been a horrible year for air disasters.

and aliens abduct another plane.
I wonder if the passengers are now on a tropical island and seeing polar bears?

or some kid aliens got ahold of the laser weapon and played it like a video game on our planet.
real reason why dinos are extinct?

 

[darkxshade]

I hope they find this one quick, I'm a little disappointed they haven't found/reported any wreckage yet. The search area for this one look so much more confined.

If this turns out to be another mh370 where they can't find it, there will be some big question marks.

 

[BrokenVisage]

I hope they find this one quick, I'm a little disappointed they haven't found/reported any wreckage yet. The search area for this one look so much more confined.

If this turns out to be another mh370 where they can't find it, there will be some big question marks.

MH370 should not have happened once, a second time might have some pretty big implications.

 

[Svnla]

Darn, I was on one of these planes from this airline a few months ago while I was in Asia for business.

Budget airline (you have to pay for everything extra, even soda) but clean and new airplanes.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Gravity is a real !@#$.

We all know its not the fall, its the landing.

 

[master_shake_]

Drone strike.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Darn, I was on one of these planes from this airline a few months ago while I was in Asia for business.

Budget airline (you have to pay for everything extra, even soda) but clean and new airplanes.

These budget airlines usually operate <4 hour flights. It makes little sense to offer full service to most passengers when both sides wanna save as much money as possible.

 

[AmdEmAll]

Wonder if the engine manufacture was getting any data transmitted back from this flight. So far it just appears like it was going along cruising just fine and then that's it... disappears.

 

[Jodell88]

Wonder if the engine manufacture was getting any data transmitted back from this flight. So far it just appears like it was going along cruising just fine and then that's it... disappears.

Indonesian Triangle?

 

[Number1]

The conspiracy theorist are already hard at it even in here. Yannn.

Considering the number of airplanes that are in the air at any given time, it is inevitable that some will go down from time to time, no evil demented conspiracy needed.

 

[BUTCH1]

weather in the area:

CCTV reporting an aircraft crashed east of belitung island:
https://twitter.com/cctvnews

which is right on the flight path

While planes fly through stormy areas routinely that radar return looks like there was little to no room to avoid the heavy stuff, then you toss in a crowded airspace so the pilot cannot make course and altitude adjustments and the plane probably flew into a hellish wind situation which overstressed the airframe or one of the control surfaces and it's now a doomed flight. This from the OP's link,

"The missing jet had requested a "deviation" from the flight path to avoid thick storm clouds, AirAsia said.

Indonesia's transport ministry said the pilot had asked permission to climb to 38,000ft (11,000m).

Ministry official Djoko Murjatmodjo said the request "could not be approved at that time due to traffic, there was a flight above, and five minutes later [flight QZ8501] disappeared from radar".

 

[AmdEmAll]

The conspiracy theorist are already hard at it even in here. Yannn.

Considering the number of airplanes that are in the air at any given time, it is inevitable that some will go down from time to time, no evil demented conspiracy needed.

Until we have more information, anything is game

 

[Imp]

Wikipedia says AirAsia is headquartered in Malaysia. When does it stop being just a coincidence...

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Wikipedia says AirAsia is headquartered in Malaysia. When does it stop being just a coincidence...

When there is evidence of events not being a coincidence.

Do you want a list of all the ridiculously freak events and coincidences that have happened in history?

 

[Ichinisan]

Wikipedia says AirAsia is headquartered in Malaysia. When does it stop being just a coincidence...

I bet there have been multiple non-Malaysian crashes.

At this point, it's only "missing" because the search isn't done. It just happened. It takes a while to get the right crews to that location.

 

[Jaskalas]

While planes fly through stormy areas routinely that radar return looks like there was little to no room to avoid the heavy stuff, then you toss in a crowded airspace so the pilot cannot make course and altitude adjustments and the plane probably flew into a hellish wind situation which overstressed the airframe or one of the control surfaces and it's now a doomed flight. This from the OP's link,

"The missing jet had requested a "deviation" from the flight path to avoid thick storm clouds, AirAsia said.

Indonesia's transport ministry said the pilot had asked permission to climb to 38,000ft (11,000m).

Ministry official Djoko Murjatmodjo said the request "could not be approved at that time due to traffic, there was a flight above, and five minutes later [flight QZ8501] disappeared from radar".

... WTF?! They force flights through the center of storms due to strict flight paths? Having no allowances or plan B is insane.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

... WTF?! They force flights through the center of storms due to strict flight paths? Having no allowances or plan B is insane.

Ministry official Djoko Murjatmodjo said the request "could not be approved at that time due to traffic, there was a flight above, and five minutes later [flight QZ8501] disappeared from radar".

Reading is difficult.

 

[Dari]

So, have they found the plane or did this one enter the Twilight Zone as well?

 

[Jaskalas]

Reading is difficult.

Pilot knew he had to avoid the storm, and was denied.
That should seriously bother everyone.

 

[fjmeat]

Yup. Sounds like Mother Nature got the best of this plane.

 

[Svnla]

More information about this type of airplane = http://news.yahoo.com/airbus-says-missing-airasia-plane-delivered-2008-110512721--sector.html

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Pilot knew he had to avoid the storm, and was denied.
That should seriously bother everyone.

Planes can go through storms just fine. They would just prefer not to in order to minimize risk. Thunderstorms specifically don't get flown through on purpose, and dangerous cells normally show up on doppler.

A plane isn't going to go underneath a storm because that would be dumb. In this case, it doesn't seem that they had a viable route to go around like they normally would.

And if a plane is also flying on a similar path in the air route above another plane, which they commonly do because air traffic is extremely contested space, no sane traffic controller is going to allow the plane to change altitude. Planes need to be kept very very far away from each other.

The above scenario could change if there is some sort of emergency declared by the plane to controllers, but in this case, there wasn't. And if the event really only took 5 minutes from the request, an Airplane simply cannot change altitude that fast on demand. We're talking like 500 feet per minute at best and the plane would have had to climb I believe 4000 feet to make it to the next lane above.

You need to know anything at all about aircraft before you spout nonsense. The Would'a, could'a, and should'a around here is ridiculous at times.

 

[MongGrel]

Pilot knew he had to avoid the storm, and was denied.
That should seriously bother everyone.

Pretty much this.

I'd still think, or he wouldn't have asked.

 

[Imp]

When there is evidence of events not being a coincidence.

Do you want a list of all the ridiculously freak events and coincidences that have happened in history?

I bet there have been multiple non-Malaysian crashes.

At this point, it's only "missing" because the search isn't done. It just happened. It takes a while to get the right crews to that location.

Lovely. I wondered if people would take it the wrong way. By the sounds of it, both of you thought I was referring to aliens or some conspiracy.

Three flights "missing" (to clarify, I quote because one of you quoted, not to mean it's a conspiracy), all operated by carriers from one country in a single year -- yes, other planes go "missing", but three in one year is a bit of a bigger problem. I was thinking of a possible culture or government oversight issue like the one Malcolm Gladwell noted about Korean Air.

Woooooo aliens!