AL: Pregnant Woman Shot Charged With Manslaughter

[Paratus]

Something for everyone here.
https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/...-child-charges-against-shooter-dismissed.html

Pregnant woman, engages in an altercation with another woman over the baby’s father. In the ensuing fight the other woman fearing for her life shoots the pregnant woman in the stomach killing the baby. She’s acquitted and the mother is then charged with manslaughter since “she shouldn’t have started the altercation “.

So questions:

• The shooter hit an innocent bystander (the fetus). Should she have been convicted of some crime? If so what? If not why not?
• If the mother can be charged with manslaughter for starting the fight are there lesser crimes pregnant women in AL can be charged with while pregnant?
• Are there actions that aren’t crimes for a woman that could become crimes for a pregnant women if this charge stands?

I’d think long and hard about living in AL.

 

[zinfamous]

I'd like to hear the Randy Newman version of "I Love AL!"

 

[sandorski]

Always be the Shooter....

 

[Paratus]

Always be the Shooter....

sad but true.

 

[Jaskalas]

• The shooter hit an innocent bystander (the fetus). Should she have been convicted of some crime? If so what? If not why not?
• If the mother can be charged with manslaughter for starting the fight are there lesser crimes pregnant women in AL can be charged with while pregnant?
• Are there actions that aren’t crimes for a woman that could become crimes for a pregnant women if this charge stands?

1: One would presume killing the mother in self defense also kills the baby. On the basis of self defense, that certainly seems to be allowed.
2: Do I need to introduce you to Chemical Endangerment Laws?
3: If this charge stands? Attacking a person is a crime. It is also common for laws to charge a person with murder, if ANYONE is killed in the commission of said crimes. Irregardless of pregnancy. Remember this story? | P&N topic on it: Three teenage burglars shot dead in Oklahoma. An AR-15 was used

Irregardless of pregnancy, Alabama appears to be following the law here. However murky it may be.

 

[sandorski]

Regardless, dude.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Who needs the Onion when we have Alabama?

 

[sdifox]

What a fucked up place.

 

[dank69]

1: One would presume killing the mother in self defense also kills the baby. On the basis of self defense, that certainly seems to be allowed.
2: Do I need to introduce you to Chemical Endangerment Laws?
3: If this charge stands? Attacking a person is a crime. It is also common for laws to charge a person with murder, if ANYONE is killed in the commission of said crimes. Irregardless of pregnancy. Remember this story? | P&N topic on it: Three teenage burglars shot dead in Oklahoma. An AR-15 was used

Irregardless of pregnancy, Alabama appears to be following the law here. However murky it may be.

Self defense is great unless it is a woman defending herself against another human living inside her and feeding off her.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Who needs the Onion when we have Alabama?

This.

 

[pauldun170]

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/...-in-stomach-outside-pleasant-grove-store.html
"Investigators believe Jemison was in a vehicle and the victim outside of a vehicle when the shooting happened. "

I want to know if this is still true.
Was Jemison in a car when she shot Jones and was Jones armed?

 

[JEDIYoda]

yawn

 

[Bird222]

Self defense is great unless it is a woman defending herself against another human living inside her and feeding off her.

So if some pregnant woman tries to kill you or your kid you're not going to shoot her?

 

[nakedfrog]

So if some pregnant woman tries to kill you or your kid you're not going to shoot her?

I don't think you understood the sentence.

 

[thraashman]

Who needs the Onion when we have Alabama?

<Florida loudly clears its throat>

 

[Jaskalas]

Regardless, dude.

Huh, I guess that's good to know. But now I need to find a way to REMOVE a word from spell check.

 

[Bird222]

I don't think you understood the sentence.

You are right. I reread it. Thanks!

 

[ElFenix]

Misdemeanor manslaughter

 

[Jaskalas]

So if some pregnant woman tries to kill you or your kid you're not going to shoot her?

I don't think you understood the sentence.

I think he's speaking to a branch of this subject that Paratus started when he stated:

The shooter hit an innocent bystander (the fetus). Should she have been convicted of some crime? If so what? If not why not? ​

It's a play on the idea of human rights for the unborn child. To question why it isn't a crime for the shooter if it somehow became a crime for the mother. And so we've wandered off a bit with some replies fixated on that aspect.

Anyways, I don't feel comfortable with charging the mother / victim / criminal with something more here. Her punishment was in losing her child, of being shot in the gut. I think that's enough here, from a moral standpoint. Even if the law allows Alabama to go further, I cannot help but think their actions here against this woman are wrong.

 

[senseamp]

If you are driving a Mercedes, Hyundai, Toyota, or Honda, Alabama folks may have built your car.
Safe travels.

 

[hal2kilo]

If you are driving a Mercedes, Hyundai, Toyota, or Honda, Alabama folks may have built your car.
Safe travels.

Yikes!

 

[IronWing]

If you are driving a Mercedes, Hyundai, Toyota, or Honda, Alabama folks may have built your car.
Safe travels.

Now you're overreaching. Alabamans know their cars.

 

[hal2kilo]

Looks like the unindented consequences of declaring a fetus with personhood. Same as stand your ground laws. Expect to see similiar ridiculousness in the future.

 

[hal2kilo]

Now you're overreaching. Alabamans know their cars.

The ones on blocks in the front yard?

 

[Homerboy]

Who needs the Onion when we have Alabama?

I would have also accepted "Florida"