Al Sadar - Militia

[Aimster]

why the hell is this guy and his group still powerful?

Time to whoop ass, no?

 

[conjur]

The Death Squads in Iraq (47 min.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7583273780285585242&hl=en

Not for the squeamish but shows that Baghdad, if not all of Iraq, is truly in a full-on civil war.



You want to "whoop ass"? You would support, say, CIA-trained, US puppet and Negroponte clone Allawi back in power to slaughter maybe a hundred thousand or more people?

July/Aug already saw over 6500 murdered brutally in the civil war.

The US presence in Iraq is pointless anymore as the Mahdi Army/Badr Brigade control Iraq and fight against Sunni insurgents.

Unfortunately, Iraq is a no-win scenario whose only course of action is to sit back and watch carnage unfold.

All the talk about Iraq being the central front in the war on terror is a completely false representation of the violence going on in Iraq.

 

[Lemon law]

At least in MHO, these home grown malitias are a natural outgrowth of anarchy--and Al Sadar is only the most visible of many like him. When the US backed central government is basically a myth in the minds
of GWB, that said central government exists only inside the green zone, its an open invite for local strong man types to set up local power bases---and we see the same thing in Afhganistan.

Europe went through a similar period after the fall of Rome---and the name of the governing principle is fuedalism.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Aimster
why the hell is this guy and his group still powerful?

Time to whoop ass, no?

Yeah, you think you can do it? Go ahead. Give it your best shot. My guess is that his scimitar would have your head off in about 3 seconds, but that's just my guess. If you do have a viable"plan", maybe you could share it with Cheney.

 

[Aimster]

I do have a visible plan.

marines send them in and whoop ass. & if that is going to cause too many deaths for the U.S to handle then start going to their homes at night and kidnaped members. Nobody will know what happened to them.

It is widely believed that the militia has been behind numerous mass kidnappings inside Iraq.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I do have a visible plan.

marines send them in and whoop ass. & if that is going to cause too many deaths for the U.S to handle then start going to their homes at night and kidnaped members. Nobody will know what happened to them.

It is widely believed that the militia has been behind numerous mass kidnappings inside Iraq.

When did one of the resident Bushbots hijack your account?

As for the kidnappings, watch that video I linked above.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I do have a visible plan.

marines send them in and whoop ass. & if that is going to cause too many deaths for the U.S to handle then start going to their homes at night and kidnaped members. Nobody will know what happened to them.

It is widely believed that the militia has been behind numerous mass kidnappings inside Iraq.

Marines knocking down doors at night, pulling people out of their homes.... and the neighbors won't know what happened to them? :laugh:

If you kill Al Sadr you just inflame the Shiites who support him and 3 baby Al Sadrs will rise up and take his place, with three competing militias.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Aimster
why the hell is this guy and his group still powerful?

Time to whoop ass, no?

He organized voters and got the guy voted in who would be his puppet

He recently told al-malaki to tell the US Troops to stop certain patrols in Baghdad and to stop a blockade they had .. WE COMPLIED

We never should have been there in the first place... at least not the way we did.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: conjur
All the talk about Iraq being the central front in the war on terror is a completely false representation of the violence going on in Iraq.

The new Rove/Bush line:

We have succeeded in making Iraq so wildly unstable and dangerous that terrorists now fear to go there.

One more misson accomplished in the war on terror.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I do have a visible plan.

marines send them in and whoop ass. & if that is going to cause too many deaths for the U.S to handle then start going to their homes at night and kidnaped members. Nobody will know what happened to them.

It is widely believed that the militia has been behind numerous mass kidnappings inside Iraq.

I said "viable" not "visible" Your "plan" is neither.
Hell, the gyrenes HAVE been knocking down doors and frightening women and children for years over there, what good has it done us. That's right, no good at all.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: conjur
The Death Squads in Iraq (47 min.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7583273780285585242&hl=en

Not for the squeamish but shows that Baghdad, if not all of Iraq, is truly in a full-on civil war.



You want to "whoop ass"? You would support, say, CIA-trained, US puppet and Negroponte clone Allawi back in power to slaughter maybe a hundred thousand or more people?

July/Aug already saw over 6500 murdered brutally in the civil war.

The US presence in Iraq is pointless anymore as the Mahdi Army/Badr Brigade control Iraq and fight against Sunni insurgents.

Unfortunately, Iraq is a no-win scenario whose only course of action is to sit back and watch carnage unfold.

All the talk about Iraq being the central front in the war on terror is a completely false representation of the violence going on in Iraq.

Dear God... this gets worse by the week and the same people are running everything, both here and there. Where is the big corporate media... where is the outrage...

 

[Drift3r]

Go ahead and kill him so we can have a much larger Shiite insurgency to deal with as well. That would be just dandy and piss more fuel onto the fire. We gave Iraq to Shiites so don't complain.

 

[Rainsford]

Man am I glad the OP isn't running our operations in Iraq. Or maybe he is, and that's why we've gone from fighting insurgents to letting the various sides wage civil war with each other.

If a solution involves, at any point, "just whopping ass", that's a really good sign that it's probably not a good plan. In this particular case, we'd end up with WAY more problems as it would appear we are taking sides if we don't deal with every other group doing the same thing, which we might have a hard time doing.

 

[conjur]

700 Iraqis dead in the last 8 days


?If you look at the general overall situation, they?re doing remarkably well.?
DICK Cheney - 10/17/2006

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur
700 Iraqis dead in the last 8 days

?If you look at the general overall situation, they?re doing remarkably well.?
DICK Cheney - 10/17/2006

Maybe that was their plan all along.

Enough of them killed off then only the oil would remain. <shrugs>

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I do have a visible plan.

marines send them in and whoop ass. & if that is going to cause too many deaths for the U.S to handle then start going to their homes at night and kidnaped members. Nobody will know what happened to them.

It is widely believed that the militia has been behind numerous mass kidnappings inside Iraq.

Nah let the Iraqis deal with them.

 

[Genx87]

Our biggest failure in Iraq as far as I am concerned. This guy should have been taken out in spring of 04 but we appeased him and look what we got. Like all appeasements it came to bite us right in the ass.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Our biggest failure in Iraq as far as I am concerned. This guy should have been taken out in spring of 04 but we appeased him and look what we got. Like all appeasements it came to bite us right in the ass.

Bingo, he is the biggest problem right now.

 

[Dean]

Our biggest chance for success and a great Iraq would be to split the Sunni's and Shiite's via North and South. That would be a perfect situation!!!

Oh wait!, never mind.:laugh:

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Our biggest failure in Iraq as far as I am concerned. This guy should have been taken out in spring of 04 but we appeased him and look what we got. Like all appeasements it came to bite us right in the ass.

Sounds like armchair quarterbacking to me. The spring of '04 was a little busy for the forces at hand at a place called Fallujah, if I recall. There were also battles fought with the Shiite militias about that time. In order to free up enough US troops to attack Fallujah after it had been abandoned, the Brits had to loan a brigade to bolster Baghdad.

The single largest mistake was invading Iraq and not planning for the worst. The worst has happened.

Muqtada al Sadr leads a very large and well equipped force. Fallujah was a small town by comparison to other cities in Iraq that have never been quelled. The Anbar province has to be neglected in order to attempt to secure Baghdad.

You have already forgotten the history of this war. And, it ain't over yet.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Genx87
Our biggest failure in Iraq as far as I am concerned. This guy should have been taken out in spring of 04 but we appeased him and look what we got. Like all appeasements it came to bite us right in the ass.

Sounds like armchair quarterbacking to me. The spring of '04 was a little busy for the forces at hand at a place called Fallujah, if I recall. There were also battles fought with the Shiite militias about that time. In order to free up enough US troops to attack Fallujah after it had been abandoned, the Brits had to loan a brigade to bolster Baghdad.

The single largest mistake was invading Iraq and not planning for the worst. The worst has happened.

Muqtada al Sadr leads a very large and well equipped force. Fallujah was a small town by comparison to other cities in Iraq that have never been quelled. The Anbar province has to be neglected in order to attempt to secure Baghdad.

You have already forgotten the history of this war. And, it ain't over yet.

I think you forgot we drove up twice to his mosque fighting his militia along the way only to turn away. I said at the time not taking him out was a mistake and it is still proving over and over what a mistake it was. Armchair generals like yourself were scared shatless of making him into a martyr. Martyrs dont speak much from the grave, ask Al Zarqawi how his new gig is working out for him after a pair of 500s dropped on his head and allied troops watched him die like the animal he is.

 

[Aimster]

His army might be well equipped and very well trianed but we are fighting a war.

Tme to unleash hell on those bastards. They are destabilizing Iraq. They are probably even killing our soldiers and Iraqi soldiers as well.
They are the ones probably behind the mass kidnappings. Think about it. It has to be a large organization. Lots of people are involved in the mass kidnappings! Buses line up and take people. This is a major organization operation and the signs usually point to this militia.

So what if this guy has thousands of soldiers protecting his ugly face. What is our goal in Iraq? To stand there and fight the the army that doesn't want to fight? Because that is what it looks like.
Unless someone can give me one really good reason why this ugly fatass and his milita are still in power.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Genx87
Our biggest failure in Iraq as far as I am concerned. This guy should have been taken out in spring of 04 but we appeased him and look what we got. Like all appeasements it came to bite us right in the ass.

Sounds like armchair quarterbacking to me. The spring of '04 was a little busy for the forces at hand at a place called Fallujah, if I recall. There were also battles fought with the Shiite militias about that time. In order to free up enough US troops to attack Fallujah after it had been abandoned, the Brits had to loan a brigade to bolster Baghdad.

The single largest mistake was invading Iraq and not planning for the worst. The worst has happened.

Muqtada al Sadr leads a very large and well equipped force. Fallujah was a small town by comparison to other cities in Iraq that have never been quelled. The Anbar province has to be neglected in order to attempt to secure Baghdad.

You have already forgotten the history of this war. And, it ain't over yet.

I think you forgot we drove up twice to his mosque fighting his militia along the way only to turn away. I said at the time not taking him out was a mistake and it is still proving over and over what a mistake it was. Armchair generals like yourself were scared shatless of making him into a martyr. Martyrs dont speak much from the grave, ask Al Zarqawi how his new gig is working out for him after a pair of 500s dropped on his head and allied troops watched him die like the animal he is.

Yes, the former of that bolded statement is true. But I cannot fully agree with the latter portion. al-Sadr is thought to have anywhere from 1 million to 4 million followers. Taking him out is like taking out an "Al Qaeda #2". Plenty lying in wait to fill his shoes. But, there is a possibility, however remote, that a more moderate #2 lies somewhere down the line. But how long do we drag this out to find out? And why does the US even have to be involved in this? It's purely an internal struggle.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TRUMPHENT

Originally posted by: Genx87
Our biggest failure in Iraq as far as I am concerned. This guy should have been taken out in spring of 04 but we appeased him and look what we got. Like all appeasements it came to bite us right in the ass.

Sounds like armchair quarterbacking to me. The spring of '04 was a little busy for the forces at hand at a place called Fallujah, if I recall. There were also battles fought with the Shiite militias about that time. In order to free up enough US troops to attack Fallujah after it had been abandoned, the Brits had to loan a brigade to bolster Baghdad.

The single largest mistake was invading Iraq and not planning for the worst. The worst has happened.

Muqtada al Sadr leads a very large and well equipped force. Fallujah was a small town by comparison to other cities in Iraq that have never been quelled. The Anbar province has to be neglected in order to attempt to secure Baghdad.

You have already forgotten the history of this war. And, it ain't over yet.

I think you forgot we drove up twice to his mosque fighting his militia along the way only to turn away. I said at the time not taking him out was a mistake and it is still proving over and over what a mistake it was. Armchair generals like yourself were scared shatless of making him into a martyr. Martyrs dont speak much from the grave, ask Al Zarqawi how his new gig is working out for him after a pair of 500s dropped on his head and allied troops watched him die like the animal he is.

How long did Al Zarqawi wreak havoc? Al Qaida just boasted of having 12000 fighters in Iraq. Even if that is exagerated by 10 or 5 it speaks volumes.

You still can't come to grips with the fact that the US invaded Iraq without the means of subduing the population. Moqtada Al Sadr has been patiently waiting while his chief enemy in Iraq is bent on destroying itself. A Chinese philospher wrote about this concept over 3000 years ago.