Since the claim was that it's harmful, even if it was overall more positive than negative, that wouldn't help your attempted contradiction. Charity doesn't require faith.
But specifically on the catholic church, is it a force for good in the world, in a very well respected recent debate on intelligence squared followed by an audience vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DsWyG2-hfc
Since you won't watch it, the motion failed, horribly.
That it can have a positive effect says nothing about whether or not it's harmful, or has negative overall or in general.
Since the claim was that it's harmful, even if it was overall more positive than negative.
So you've conceded that it's overall more positive than negative? And you still maintain it's "harmful"?
I didn't say the church was perfect. I said that in general it's a force for good.
could......anything could........you just have issues with the church...or maybe a priest??I argue or mean to argue that even if it performs some good it could still be harmful.
See atheism is becoming a religion.....Top Ten Reasons to why Religion is a Negative Force on the world
http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/to...e-on-the-world
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TEN.
Religion and religious persons impose their faith into public policy and politics. Where it clearly doesn't belong.
NINE.
Religion is still very much mediatory in the schools of nations such as Republic of Ireland, where it has no place. Churches were built for a reason. This makes many members of other faiths and no faiths feel uncomfortable and excluded during a time when young persons find it difficult to fit in as it is. It isn't a matter of talking about religion, but actively telling young persons to practice it mandatory.
EIGHT.
Many nations make it difficult for the non-religous to have any sort of successful career in politics (and being honest about their lack of faith at the same time)
SEVEN.
Many religious groups impose their views of abortion on others and seek to make abortion illegal. Because of religion in other nations it now is or has been for sometime, outlawed medial practice. Abortion is not murder, murder is the illegal killing of a human being, not a pre-human being.
SIX.
Religion demonises many educational fields in contrast with its doctrine, such as certain aspects of history and many accepted theories
FIVE.
There have been cases in the United States and some other country where person's have lost their jobs due to lack of faith or alternative faiths and sometimes on the bases of sexual orientation (which is thought to be justified because of certain beliefs)
FOUR.
Religion tries to justify many forms of discrimination including but not limited to, homophobia, sexism, racism and class
THREE.
Certain nations such as Iran and Uganda take their discrimination justified by religious beliefs a step further by improving atheists and murdering homosexuals
TWO.
Religion has caused many to rebel against its corruption. While this mostly occurs in changing religions or declaring oneself atheist; that is not always the next direction for some. For some they take that faith and change it for their own purposes, often resulting in more extreme and harmful faith systems mostly regarded as cults. These cults involve all sorts of dangerous acts, such as mass suicide and sometimes violent attacks of non-beleivers of their faith.
ONE:
Religion has literally caused people to go to war due to the influence of the faith and disagreement with certain policies based on religious beliefs (especially when a doctrine influences such actions)
Now you can tell me why religion isn't harmful, or a negative force, in general. Or are you also lazy? Even more so?
could......anything could........you just have issues with the church...or maybe a priest??
How many times have I told you to take down your avatar or face unspecified consequences?
Furthermore it's lazy to dismiss all religions as harmful in general, varying only in degree.
Says the Catholic with the Mohammad av
That would be the point. The West allows insults and defiance of religion, in fact our people relish in it. Only one religion stands out in its issuance of death threats.
I would say a person stands a greater chance of dying from being in an accident or from disease than being killed by Islamic Extremist.
No
Lot's of western countries have blasphemy laws
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law
If your people relish insulting people your people are shitty
I don't understand why you are labelled a racist if you are anti-islam. Islam isn't a race, it isn't restricted to one race.
I can understand why people don't like it since it brings so much suffering and misery to the world. As far as Christians etc, they may protest gays going to hell at funerals but at least you get to keep your head. This is a tolerable act as I can ignore them and they don't cause me or any other any real suffering.
As much as I do not like WBC I'd take them over these militant groups any day. I'm all for tolerance but when what you belief is harming another, then my tolerance comes to an end. You are tolerable if you don't harm another.
Oh skycake how I love the.
Says the guy who for the last several pages has spent his time literally thinking up insulting titles (and poor ones at that. "Cubicals"?? Do you mean "cubicles" perhaps?) and generally degrading and insulting anyone whose definitions and conceptions don't fall into line with his.
I'm sorry, but the irony is delicious.
It's clear you're trying to paint yourself as a crusader against intolerance, but when your crusade involves poorly thought out insults and broad generalizations you have failed in the most miserable of ways.
I don't understand why you are labelled a racist if you are anti-islam. Islam isn't a race, it isn't restricted to one race.
I can understand why people don't like it since it brings so much suffering and misery to the world. As far as Christians etc, they may protest gays going to hell at funerals but at least you get to keep your head. This is a tolerable act as I can ignore them and they don't cause me or any other any real suffering.
As much as I do not like WBC I'd take them over these militant groups any day. I'm all for tolerance but when what you belief is harming another, then my tolerance comes to an end. You are tolerable if you don't harm another.
Oh skycake how I love the.
Tell that to those poor bastards in Kenya or Iraq. I'm sure they would agree.
Kenya and Iraq both have populations of 44 million so chances of dying from disease or from an accident is still higher than being killed by an Islamic Terrorist.
Have you ever been as far, even have decided to use, even go want to look more like?
What?
I've been to paradise - never been to me
(I've been to Georgia and California, and anywhere I could run)
I've been to paradise - never been to me
(I've been to Nice and the isle of Greece
While I sipped champagne on a yacht)
I've been to paradise - never been to me
(I've been to cryin' for unborn children )
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Have you ever been as far, even have decided to use, even go want to look more like?
??? What ??? Could you repeat that in English please?
If you don't understand that then I can't help you.
LMAO!!!! You can't refute what I posted so you post some off the wall babble.
People all around world stand a greater chance of dying from disease or an accident than they do of being killed by a Islamic Terrorist. It's not a difficult concept to understand yet it appears you can't grasp it.