Don't forget: it also triggered a huge amount of violence and organized crime, not to mention the health issues attributed to shitty bootleg moonshine.
Don't forget: it also triggered a huge amount of violence and organized crime, not to mention the health issues attributed to shitty bootleg moonshine.AFAIK alcohol consumption fell dramatically the first couple years of prohibition but steadily increased again as time went on reaching about 75% of pre-prohibition level.
As a policy to reduce consumption it technically worked but the secondary effects were not good.
Lightly alcoholic drinks were normal until sanitation of drinking water became standard, especially for groups on the move without access to a well. Grog, simple fruit wines, basic beers, etc filled this role for many thousands of years.Fascinating. I wonder if the lack of reliable, clean drinking water was why people drank so much back in the 1800s. 🤔
This ^. D's are not a monolithic voting block. You'd have plenty of conservative Senators from red states that would happily vote against it, and then tell you why with a smile on their face for months afterward.
Like has been said before, there's never been a sufficient majority to do so.
I mean obviously we should have just packed the court or pack it now instead. You say that all the time. And rather matter of factly I must say. LIke that's the obvious answer.It’s not even about overall public support - in 2009 you needed support in Montana, Louisiana, and West Virginia. This very obviously was not there.
This is just like the Biden thing. If you think the Democrats could have passed a federal law codifying nationwide abortion rights show me 60 senators who would have voted for it. Since this is such a missed opportunity it shouldn’t be hard.
Republicans would win Nevada by talking about keeping the Cuban embargo---Cuban voters are crucial in elections.Where the hell do you get your shit from, St Petersburg?
Who cares about a Cuban embargo. You need to quit that job. You are bad at it.
As a Nevadan, no. Talking about Cuba won't move the needle in Vegas at all. This isn't Miami.Republicans would win Nevada by talking about keeping the Cuban embargo---Cuban voters are crucial in elections.
It seriously never stops being funny to me how you apparently had a head injury in like 1999 and have frozen American culture then.Republicans would win Nevada by talking about keeping the Cuban embargo---Cuban voters are crucial in elections.
It could, yes in getting NV in the GOP column. Miami isn't the only place where Cuban Americans exist, Nevada has a large percentage that matters. NJ and NY is not going red, so NV is the place. FL is no longer a battleground state.As a Nevadan, no. Talking about Cuba won't move the needle in Vegas at all. This isn't Miami.
Again, you are trapped in the 90s. The political salience of the Cuban embargo has cratered since then as more recent generations really don’t care that much and the hard core anti-Castro Cubans are dying off.It could, yes in getting NV in the GOP column. Miami isn't the only place where Cuban Americans exist, Nevada has a large percentage that matters. NJ and NY is not going red, so NV is the place. FL is no longer a battleground state.
If GOP talks about shit like abortion and IVF, they're finished.
Both are a shit ton easier since Dobbs. No one was talking about expanding the court in 2009 either.You know what's really fucking rich and ironic? Multiple people who say I'm totally wrong for even suggesting the Dems have tried to codify Roe at one point in the last few decades, are the same ones who say, WE NEED TO PACK THE COURT! That's the answer. Simple as that. Like it's that attainable.
I mean talk about a completely unreasonable legislative goal. I mean holy shit codifying Roe in the past 30 years would have been a fucking cakewalk compared to that. The amount of cognitive dissonance is strong with those folks.
Do you think codifying Roe or packing the court would be easier now?Both are a shit ton easier since Dobbs. No one was talking about expanding the court in 2009 either.
Both are a shit ton easier since Dobbs. No one was talking about expanding the court in 2009 either.
I think codifying Roe would be much easier than expanding the courts (shouldn't call it packing). I also think dems would do it now if they get a trifecta. I think if the USSC then through out that law, you'd see a big push to expand the courts.Do you think codifying Roe or packing the court would be easier now?
Should we post a poll here and see what the regulars think? I'm pretty sure I don't even have to look at a public poll to know what is actually possible in regard to that, let alone a poll of actual Democratic politicians in power. I mean I could go find the links, but I'd say the answer might be obvious? What do you think?
I know you haven't said 'pack the court' as an obvious answer tons of times when a couple people here have.
If they want to say even thinking of trying to codify Roe over the last 30+ years is asinine, which they have, why don't we leave it to them to teach us about how this whole process works - when and how would it have or will it be easier to pack the court? When would be the time it could be accomplished. Let's let them elaborate. I want to learn how this works.
You are blaming RBG as the person most responsible for Roe's downfall and I'm psychotic?Squished wtf man. Can you not act psychotic for one fucking day. Roe wasn't in any danger until Trump came along. It wasn't on anyone's radar. The one person most responsible for Roe's downfall was RBG, and how much responsibility was hers is debatable. Very few people expected Americans to be so sick as to elect dogshit to be President. Nobody expected him to be able to pick three justices. Roe was never in danger until the day Trump got elected. That is why I said on that day that Americans are going to get what they deserve. If you're still looking for others to blame, look no further than the Bernie bros that sat 2016 out for spite. A lot of them are the same people bitching about Biden today and every single one of those fuckers specifically can fuck off and die.
There is an argument to be made that she should have retired long before Obama's last term was over. As I said, it's debatable, because nobody really expected Trump to win, and by the time people realized he had a legit shot it was already too late. Her replacement would have been blocked like Garland was.You are blaming RBG as the person most responsible for Roe's downfall and I'm psychotic?
I'll just leave that there.
There is an argument to be made that she should have retired long before Obama's last term was over. As I said, it's debatable, because nobody really expected Trump to win, and by the time people realized he had a legit shot it was already too late. Her replacement would have been blocked like Garland was.
But if she retired at a normal age we at least wouldn't have lost her seat. You've been bashing Biden for being 80 so it makes sense to bash her for not bowing out at 80 as well.
Whether it would have been a waste of time is moot. Nobody thought it was in danger, and even if they did, they didn't have the votes. This is all Monday morning quarterbacking with the benefit of hindsight.RBG could have retired, but they'd still have a 5-4 majority now anyway. That one vote did not change the fact. I'm certainly not going to place the lion's share of the blame on her. Of course I wish she retired, but she is a smaller part of the problem, not the person most responsible. I can't believe people even think that.
The funny thing is I'm not saying 100% the Dems could have done it, but they had a couple of opportunities to try, including Obama's first couple of years. In no way am I saying it would have been easy but the simple fact is, part of the reason the Dems weren't sure they'd have all the votes is also because they took the Roe precedent for granted. They didn't even think they needed to do it. If you don't even think you need to do it, you aren't ever going to build the momentum to get the votes and make it part of your mission. They let Roe the precedent do all the work and did not focus on reproductive rights. My whole point is they took Roe for granted and that was a boo boo. I've been calling the Repubs what they are for a long time, not sure why it was so hard to see what they were. Fucking evil.
What's even more funny is that the people who are criticizing the loudest that codifying Roe would 100% have been a waste of time and totally not possible and shouldn't have been prioritized ever, are the ones who toss out 'packing the court', like that's easier. Maybe I'm crazy for thinking the Dems should have prioritized reproductive rights more in the past, but if you want to call me crazy, you better call the fucknuts that have been crowing pack/expand the court like it's the most obvious solution in a way that it's attainable, as fucking missing entire big chunks of their brain.
They are irrational people, and so they are unsafe. Period. Call it insane all you want but the reality is you can't see it or don't want to see it.I never said she shouldn't have retired before Obama was done. Obviously she should have, but apparently it had to be at least a few years before Obama left because look what they did with Scalia's seat btw. It was no gimme.
I'm saying you placing the majority of blame for the overturn of Roe ON HER is fucking loony toons. I couldn't be more clear.
btw,, are you ever going to accept that saying anybody who needs a nudge to make sure they go out and vote Biden and all Dem is crazy and not worth it and not even safe to walk among us - is fucking insane? I mean if that's how you really feel about reaching out to disillusioned voters, by all means, stay with your story.
I guess I'll be the crazy guy who thinks that is stupid, you know, the whole reaching out to people thing when your candidate is one of the weakest in history, and by being able to accept that they are a weak candidate. The weakest I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Whether it would have been a waste of time is moot. Nobody thought it was in danger, and even if they did, they didn't have the votes. This is all Monday morning quarterbacking with the benefit of hindsight.
Right we can't talk about the past or maybe how we could have done things a little differently or at least made it easier to try.Whether it would have been a waste of time is moot. Nobody thought it was in danger, and even if they did, they didn't have the votes. This is all Monday morning quarterbacking with the benefit of hindsight.
BThey are irrational people, and so they are unsafe. Period. Call it insane all you want but the reality is you can't see it or don't want to see it.
And once again, before you fly off the handle I am not suggesting we need to do anything about it, especially not taking away any of their rights or any of that bullshit. People have the right to be irrational. People have the right to be Nazis. We can't do anything about anything until they cross a line and infringe others' rights. That's just the way it is. I'm just saying they are all potentially dangerous. Irrationality is dangerous.
It's great you reach out to people. All I am saying is that trying to reach people that are very concerned about Biden's age might not be the best use of your time. That time could be better spent on someone else who is reachable.
Show me where I said they were nazis. I was using nazis as another example where people have a right to be shitty.Holy fuck you are this dumb. Biden's biggest issue is his age and he that he looks like a battery driven cryptkeeper that inspires literally nothing in people during dark times. The people that need to be reached out to that's the main fucking issue.
To double down on saying don't reach out to people to vote for Biden who aren't totally on board yet because of one of his main weaknesses, amongb others of course, is fucking insane. It's psychotic.
And by the way people who are not or would not vote for Trump or a Republican at all but may not vote at all right now even if they lean moderate, they're not fucking Nazis you fucking dipshit. The Nazis are the Trump voters. How could you not figure this out yet.
If you read any history book it's you would know that these people are not Nazis they're disillusioned and they don't understand the threat. There are checked out of our truly dysfunctional fucked up political system.
The fact you think they are Nazis and shouldn't be reached out to shows that you lack basic understanding of our world.
No one in the states other than florida gives a flying fuck about Cuba.It could, yes in getting NV in the GOP column. Miami isn't the only place where Cuban Americans exist, Nevada has a large percentage that matters. NJ and NY is not going red, so NV is the place. FL is no longer a battleground state.
If GOP talks about shit like abortion and IVF, they're finished.