Alabama Election Results: Doug Jones Defeats Roy Moore in U.S. Senate Race

[Perknose]

Yeah, but I'd never put much stock in 'identification' like that anyway. Being a woman probably just wasn't the important identity for them when voting (seems fairly likely that 'being white' was a big part of one though, though). Edit - in fact it seems as if maybe it was to a small degree, hence they were less likely to vote for him than their menfolk.

Though there is always the dodgy joke about 'what do men and women have in common?' 'they both hate women'...but I honestly don't actually think that's the issue here, I just mention it because it seems relevant to the OP's take.

Yeah, it's hard for me to wrap my head around the white women's Alabamian vote. If you scratch the surface of casual conversation, a distressingly huge percentage of women, some say nearly all, have a personally experienced story of rape, date rape, incest or a brazen physical/sexual violation of their personal boundaries by a male at some point(s) in their lives.

Why "political ideology" or identification seems to have trumped the empathy that should flow from these deeply personal shared experiences really does mystify me. Stepford wives much?

 

[Perknose]

Milk through the nose hilarious....

 

[Jhhnn]

They can't. It's just not possible.

A person making $40,000 in BFE Nebraska has a vastly different quality of life than someone making $20k in the south side of Chicago. Somebody making $90k in Nashville has a very different quality of life that person making $40,000 in Nebraska. Somebody making $200k in San Fran has nothing in common with somebody banking 2 million or more in NYC. And that person making 2 million is nothing in comparison to somebody rolling in billionaire club.

The disparity in incomes and the impact on quality of life make it virtually impossible to come up with a "unified" platform. Someone, or a lot of someones in that 99% are going to lose something and that is a very hard sell.

I don't know what the answer is.

The cutoff point for the 99% is about $450K. It's about $130K for the 90%.

Anybody below the 90% mark has many of the same concerns about healthcare, job security, housing, infrastructure, education & a whole raft of other issues as well.

 

[HomerJS]

Guess who I never want to hear from when it comes to sexual misconduct, white women.

They voted for Moore by 63%

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The cutoff point for the 99% is about $450K. It's about $130K for the 90%.

Anybody below the 90% mark has many of the same concerns about healthcare, job security, housing, infrastructure, education & a whole raft of other issues as well.

No, they really don't. The people with their heads above water want to keep what they have and expect the government to stay out of their lives. And the ones not making it on their own want the government to step in, take stuff from other people and give it to them. That's where the political ideologies differ. It's not fat cat corporate guys vs limousine liberals in a political science debate on the impact of supply side vs trickle down. It's real people with real needs and people on one side of the line have completely different needs than the people on the other side of the line. And the message that appeals to group A does not appeal to group B. The only way you can get group A to vote for you is with policies that hurt group B and the only way you can get group B on your side is with policies that hurt group A.

If you're in the 98% and are making it, who you voting for?
And if you're not making it and need a hand, who you voting for?

Candidate A says: Lower Taxes!! Less Spending!! Keep what you make!!
Candidate B says: Higher Taxes!! More Spending!! Share the wealth downwards!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, it's hard for me to wrap my head around the white womens' Alabamian vote. If you scratch the surface of casual conversation, a distressingly huge percentage of women, some say nearly all, have a personally experienced story of rape, date rape, incest or a brazen physical/sexual violation of their personal boundaries by a male at some point(s) in their lives.

Why "political ideology" or identification seems to have trumped the empathy that should flow from these deeply personal shared experiences really does mystify me. Stepford wives much?

If you hate yourself a part of you feels you deserve it and it's your fault. What woman, for example, wants not to be attractive to men. However repugnant and frightening unwanted sexual attention may be, it is still attention and there is more ego satisfaction there than in no attention at all. We want to be wanted and we want to be wanted sexually which creates a paradoxical state when we get what we want in ways we do not want. It's hard not to self incriminate when you hate yourself.

 

[Grooveriding]

If a place like Alabama going to Democrats does not wake up the Trump fanatics to the fact they are being radicalized, nothing will. Oh wait, that should have happened with the rapist POTUS, pedophile senator and finding out they were Russian psyops victims in the election..

 

[Thebobo]

Not my inlaws You haven't heard them talk, it's like Taj on crack.

lol you poor soul

 

[hal2kilo]

I hope it holds. All Democrats should send a thank you note to Steve Bannon for whipping up the fringe whacks & putting Roy Moore on the ticket. Luther Strange probably would have beat the pants off of Doug Jones.

Some Repub hack on Morning Joe was spinning it to blame McConnell. They should blame the ex corrupt Gov of Alabama for cutting a deal with then AG Strange to be the acting Senator. There's blame to go all around. But, yes, Bannon forced Moore on them.

 

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Candidate A says: Lower Taxes!! Less Spending!! Keep what you make!!
Candidate B says: Higher Taxes!! More Spending!! Share the wealth downwards!!

The problem is that it's not like that in reality. Both candidates are equally as bad at spending, it's just where it's spent.

 

[sandorski]

Guess who I never want to hear from when it comes to sexual misconduct, white women.

They voted for Moore by 63%

That depends on how many of them Voted though. I suspect many chose not to vote at all out of disgust at their choice.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Isn't this seat up for grabs again in 18 months? If so, hard to imagine Dems keeping hold of it since the State is so Red.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Guess who I never want to hear from when it comes to sexual misconduct, white women.

They voted for Moore by 63%

I think the numbers aren't that much different as to how they voted in the presidential election, yup 62% of white women voted for drumpf. Jesus fucking christ...

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Isn't this seat up for grabs again in 18 months? If so, hard to imagine Dems keeping hold of it it in a State that's so Red.

I guess we'll have to wait and see which piece of shit drumpf endorses.

 

[fskimospy]

Isn't this seat up for grabs again in 18 months? If so, hard to imagine Dems keeping hold of it it in a State that's so Red.

Nope, not up for grabs again until 2020 so about 3 years. Most importantly it puts the Senate in play for 2018 along with the House.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, they really don't. The people with their heads above water want to keep what they have and expect the government to stay out of their lives. And the ones not making it on their own want the government to step in, take stuff from other people and give it to them. That's where the political ideologies differ. It's not fat cat corporate guys vs limousine liberals in a political science debate on the impact of supply side vs trickle down. It's real people with real needs and people on one side of the line have completely different needs than the people on the other side of the line. And the message that appeals to group A does not appeal to group B. The only way you can get group A to vote for you is with policies that hurt group B and the only way you can get group B on your side is with policies that hurt group A.

If you're in the 98% and are making it, who you voting for?
And if you're not making it and need a hand, who you voting for?

Candidate A says: Lower Taxes!! Less Spending!! Keep what you make!!
Candidate B says: Higher Taxes!! More Spending!! Share the wealth downwards!!

That's mindless right wing boiler plate raving, a copy/paste of the bullshit pounded into your brain for decades. If the govt stayed out of your life you wouldn't have a sewage system, or storm drains, or safe water, food & drugs or decent roads or schools or any of it. That, or you moved off the grid.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Nope, not up for grabs again until 2020 so about 3 years. Most importantly it puts the Senate in play for 2018 along with the House.

Good luck.

 

[vi edit]

Isn't this seat up for grabs again in 18 months? If so, hard to imagine Dems keeping hold of it since the State is so Red.

Seat is good till January 3, 2021.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That's mindless right wing boiler plate raving, a copy/paste of the bullshit pounded into your brain for decades. If the govt stayed out of your life you wouldn't have a sewage system, or storm drains, or safe water, food & drugs or decent roads or schools or any of it. That, or you moved off the grid.

Yep...because that was exactly what he was talking about. Derp.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Seat is good till January 3, 2021.

Thanks.

 

[UNCjigga]

Already hearing pundits talk about what kind of Senator Jones will be. Conjecture is that if he has any hope of getting re-elected, he will not focus on stopping "Trump's agenda" and will probably prefer to caucus with Republicans on immigration and states' rights issues.

However, I think he'll be expected to champion Civil Rights issues and become the anti Jefferson Beauregard Sessions--fitting for someone who essentially took his seat. I wish him well with that.

 

[fskimospy]

Good luck.

Thanks! It won't be easy for Democrats to take the Senate in 2018 but it was nearly impossible before.

 

[fskimospy]

Already hearing pundits talk about what kind of Senator Jones will be. Conjecture is that if he has any hope of getting re-elected, he will not focus on stopping "Trump's agenda" and will probably prefer to caucus with Republicans on immigration and states' rights issues.

However, I think he'll be expected to champion Civil Rights issues and become the anti Jefferson Beauregard Sessions--fitting for someone who essentially took his seat. I wish him well with that.

Pundits are stupid then. Trump had 48% approval in the exit polls for who voted here and if the voters of Alabama wanted a Republican they would have voted for a Republican. He got outsized turnout from Democratic constituencies, ones he would immediately alienate by doing this.

His best bet is to become some sort of Joe Manchin figure where he builds his own personal brand while remaining a moderate Democrat on most issues.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/

As you can see here Joe Manchin votes FAR less often with Trump than would be expected by his state's lean and yet he's fairly popular there and will probably win re-election. EDIT: And on the big issues that people really care about he has been a uniformly anti-Trump vote.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

$11.8 million vs. $5.2 million.

https://www.fec.gov/data/elections/senate/AL/2018/

 

[dphantom]

Isn't this seat up for grabs again in 18 months? If so, hard to imagine Dems keeping hold of it since the State is so Red.

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