Alabama Republicans refuse to draw a second Black congressional district in defiance of Supreme Court

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brycejones

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That was the most outrageous thing ever. If states want to allow 18 yos to gather for an ale like they do in Europe and Mexico, they should be allowed.
They can. They just lose the incentives the federal government provides to do something different.
 

Vic

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I don't agree with AL, I'm just making a point that they can make their own rules.

Just look at all the states that allow potheads to run amock with 'legal' weed despite federal drag laws.
What kind of a fucking idiot lying jackass makes up stories about potheads running amuck in order to justify denying American citizens their Constitutionally-guaranteed right to vote?
Why do you hate America and the Constitution so much?
 
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Vic

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Then why can't we take the same approach to the scourge that is weed?
Only on the internet can you find someone dishonest enough to argue in favor of teenagers drinking alcohol while calling weed a "scourge" just so they can rationalize their unlawful agenda to deny the constitutionally-guaranteed right to vote to American citizens they don't like.
 

FelixDeCat

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Because it lacks any political support.
You speak with forked tongue. Firewater is legal in all 50 states and is served by medicine men in fine establishments like Hooters.

I am going to email my elected representatives at some juncture and ask them to pressure permissive states to abide by federal drug laws.
 

fskimospy

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You speak with forked tongue. Firewater is legal in all 50 states and is served by medicine men in fine establishments like Hooters.

I am going to email my elected representatives at some juncture and ask them to pressure permissive states to abide by federal drug laws.
Haha, good luck with that. I’m sure you will be super successful.
 
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Moonbeam

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Haha, good luck with that. I’m sure you will be super successful.
Not sure where to come down on this. Without a massive uptick in the mental health of our people taking drugs will ruin many lives. Same applies to the threat of fascism. Both have become popular. Maybe neither should be legal. I don’t know but am pretty sure people are fucked because of psychological ignorance. We need better education in my opinion and nothing else can really substitute.
 

Dave_5k

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This is a question I've asked a few times in the past and never really got a solid answer to.

How much power does SCOTUS really have to back up their rulings? So far, Alabama as a state has essentially refused to comply. What if they continue to do so? Is there a Contempt of Court option? It isn't like the entire state legislature can be arrested and jailed. Sanctions? Courts take over the district maps?
I believe SCOTUS could appoint a special master to develop and recommend compliant maps for approval - at least lower federal courts have occasionally done this when states violated their own laws in racist gerrymandered redistricting, e.g. North Carolina 2017:
Edit: or SCOTUS could direct the federal appeals court to do this, is probably more likely than SCOTUS actually doing any work themselves
 
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Not counting other minorities, African Americans make up just over 26% of the population of Alabama. There are 7 districts in Alabama. You'd think it's fair they get 2 districts. 7 districts means each district represents about 14.3% of the population. Double that makes 28.6%. Add in other minorities and it sounds fair to have two districts representing minorities.
Seems to me the percentage is much higher. Nothing to base that on though.
 

cytg111

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I would think this is how you secede the union? Outright reject federal law? It sounds self explanatory.
 

Dave_5k

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And... the Federal Court will now officially use its assigned court-experts to redraw the congressional districts, as the Alabama legislature once again gave the middle finger to the federal court order. The pending court-drawn maps are expected to be used for the 2024 election, barring further shenanigans by the Supreme Court (note similarly illegal maps were used in 2022 to help secure the narrow Republican House majority, only because the Supreme Court intervened - and then delayed any decision until after the 2022 election).

And the legislature will get to repeat the court battle for redistricting for the 2026 elections.
 

HomerJS

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And... the Federal Court will now officially use its assigned court-experts to redraw the congressional districts, as the Alabama legislature once again gave the middle finger to the federal court order. The pending court-drawn maps are expected to be used for the 2024 election, barring further shenanigans by the Supreme Court (note similarly illegal maps were used in 2022 to help secure the narrow Republican House majority, only because the Supreme Court intervened - and then delayed any decision until after the 2022 election).

And the legislature will get to repeat the court battle for redistricting for the 2026 elections.
Why is there no punishment for defying a SCOTUS decision?

PS - If a state defies a SCOTUS decision an option is to go back to court. Only the privileged have that kind of option.

If Dems wants to show some fight the Governer of that state should face jail of steep financial penalties. DOJ could enforce that and they should. I understand Biden should not order the AG but Dems need to draft a letter to Garland and push penalties. Stand up for voting rights.
 
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brycejones

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Why is there no punishment for defying a SCOTUS decision?

PS - If a state defies a SCOTUS decision an option is to go back to court. Only the privileged have that kind of option.

If Dems wants to show some fight the Governer of that state should face jail of steep financial penalties. DOJ could enforce that and they should. I understand Biden should not order the AG but Dems need to draft a letter to Garland and push penalties. Stand up for voting rights.
What specific penalties are in the law that apply? We can’t just throw people in jail because they are doing things we don’t like. How do you throw the governor in jail for the actions of the legislature?

I despise what Alabama has done but you are off base. Penalties for contempt can be set by the trial court but this case is not to that point yet.
 
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This is a question I've asked a few times in the past and never really got a solid answer to.

How much power does SCOTUS really have to back up their rulings? So far, Alabama as a state has essentially refused to comply. What if they continue to do so? Is there a Contempt of Court option? It isn't like the entire state legislature can be arrested and jailed. Sanctions? Courts take over the district maps?
Other than the last sentence, the question remains.
 

dank69

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Not sure where to come down on this. Without a massive uptick in the mental health of our people taking drugs will ruin many lives. Same applies to the threat of fascism. Both have become popular. Maybe neither should be legal. I don’t know but am pretty sure people are fucked because of psychological ignorance. We need better education in my opinion and nothing else can really substitute.
Weed helps a LOT of people's mental health.
 

Moonbeam

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Weed helps a LOT of people's mental health.
What is your experience with weed. Not asking about usages, but with what you experience different while on it. My experience is that it turns me into a head. That is a state I don’t much care for. I experience drug induced thinking as free for all association, chains of thought that go farther and farther away from what is right in front of me,

The centipede was happ, quite until the toad in fun, asked which leg goes after which………

What tells you that weed helps mental health rather than adding to the pleasure of becoming sicker.

The addiction to thinking can lead to the conclusion that thinking isn’t such a good thing. Be mindful of not assuming that the alternative is mindless oblivion.

One thing I see as a possible benefit to a psychedelic drug experience that alter perception is the first hand realization that ordinary awareness is not the only possible state and that the ordinary tendency to equate mystical experiences as simple madness might be a mistake. But trying through drugs alone to repeat peek states of conscious awareness might best not be attempted via repeated use. All of the purported experiences people can have on drugs may be accessible via the hero’s journey. They say, seek and you will find.
 

HomerJS

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What specific penalties are in the law that apply? We can’t just throw people in jail because they are doing things we don’t like. How do you throw the governor in jail for the actions of the legislature?

I despise what Alabama has done but you are off base. Penalties for contempt can be set by the trial court but this case is not to that point yet.
Gov could order the maps be drawn per the court ruling. How about jailing the state House Speaker?

I guess Pubs can just ignore SCOTUS rulings that go against them. One of the reasons we are here today.
 

dank69

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What is your experience with weed. Not asking about usages, but with what you experience different while on it. My experience is that it turns me into a head. That is a state I don’t much care for. I experience drug induced thinking as free for all association, chains of thought that go farther and farther away from what is right in front of me,

The centipede was happ, quite until the toad in fun, asked which leg goes after which………

What tells you that weed helps mental health rather than adding to the pleasure of becoming sicker.

The addiction to thinking can lead to the conclusion that thinking isn’t such a good thing. Be mindful of not assuming that the alternative is mindless oblivion.

One thing I see as a possible benefit to a psychedelic drug experience that alter perception is the first hand realization that ordinary awareness is not the only possible state and that the ordinary tendency to equate mystical experiences as simple madness might be a mistake. But trying through drugs alone to repeat peek states of conscious awareness might best not be attempted via repeated use. All of the purported experiences people can have on drugs may be accessible via the hero’s journey. They say, seek and you will find.
I wasn't talking about me when I said that. I just know it helps a lot of people control their ADHD, for example.
 
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