Alan Wake - PC "up in the air"??!

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas
I don't see what's so great about this game. Years ago we saw some screen shots that didn't explain anything they just looked pretty and ever since people have been talking it up as some awesome game- well I haven't actually seen *anything* substantial about this so for the moment it's in the 'meh' pile.

Did you read this?, see the E3 stage demo, or the hands on impressions?

This game seems to have one of the best stories in a long time.

 

[Corporate Thug]

what is this, the 6th year we have been talking about the death of PC gaming?

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
If PC gaming ever does die (which it won't thanks to the companies that make their money off of it), bye bye Microsoft.

I'm pretty sure most of Microsoft's Windows sales don't come from gamers so they'll be fine as well.

Last survey I read said, "72 percent of the U.S. population plays video games"

Even if gamers don't make up the majority of sales, they are the hardcore PC users that many people get their advice and tech support from. All my relatives and most of my friends stopped using IE because I put Firefox on their computers. The day PC gaming is better on Linux or Apple, the same thing will happen to their OS.

 

[AzN]

console money talks.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: apoppin
What difference does the "$" make ?
- there are a lot of people who find MS an overbearing monopolistic company who has kept PC gaming in the dark ages for too long while they play politics
- you might even be written off as a MS fan boy

It makes a hell of a lot of difference.

In my experience, it singles out the user as an immature-minded person who's extreme bias against and hate of Microsoft invalidates their opinions. I'd say the same thing about somebody who says "Nintendo Pii", "$ony" or "Suxbox 360" and so forth. I take the opinion of somebody who doesn't like a company, yet still continues to use proper spelling of their products, seriously.

i hope ALL Xbox 360s fail this year due to hidden defects
:Q

My launch-day box is still going strong. I expect it to keep going till I want to replace it with an HDMI one.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: apoppin
What difference does the "$" make ?
- there are a lot of people who find MS an overbearing monopolistic company who has kept PC gaming in the dark ages for too long while they play politics
- you might even be written off as a MS fan boy

It makes a hell of a lot of difference.

In my experience, it singles out the user as an immature-minded person who's extreme bias against and hate of Microsoft invalidates their opinions. I'd say the same thing about somebody who says "Nintendo Pii", "$ony" or "Suxbox 360" and so forth. I take the opinion of somebody who doesn't like a company, yet still continues to use proper spelling of their products, seriously.

i hope ALL Xbox 360s fail this year due to hidden defects
:Q

My launch-day box is still going strong. I expect it to keep going till I want to replace it with an HDMI one.

well as to the last one, you wished bad on us PC gamers
.. so it was only fair i wished your Xbox died along with all the other consoles ...

.. only to spite you, of course .. and to give a nice boost to PC gaming

You got to remember that others look at you the way you look at them; with the same silly prejudices

 

[Piuc2020]

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
well if WAKE has just a tiny bit of the TWIN PEAKS atmosphere. You know: Evil in the woods, forested mountains, always a little rainy, nice but totally crazy townsfolk, mysteries aplenty it would be the most atmospheric game ever.

Regarding M$: Gaming is pretty much the only thing that makes Winblows essential for most consumers. If Google Chrome OS or Linux would be compatible with DirectX gaming, lots of people would jump ship in a heartbeat. Guess this is another case where one division of a company is actively sabotaging the works of another. (Xbox division -> OS division)

You're clueless, there are a lot of people who would jump ship if Windows suddenly lost gaming (myself included) but we are but a tiny fraction compared to the non-gaming population who still buys or needs Windows for a variety of reasons.

Linux is not competition because it's too hard to set up, configure and maintain for the average user, Mac OS X is the only real competition but until the OS is free to run on any x86 hardware (without hacks) then it won't be a serious threat either.

Windows (and PC gaming for that matter) is here to stay.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
well if WAKE has just a tiny bit of the TWIN PEAKS atmosphere. You know: Evil in the woods, forested mountains, always a little rainy, nice but totally crazy townsfolk, mysteries aplenty it would be the most atmospheric game ever.

Regarding M$: Gaming is pretty much the only thing that makes Winblows essential for most consumers. If Google Chrome OS or Linux would be compatible with DirectX gaming, lots of people would jump ship in a heartbeat. Guess this is another case where one division of a company is actively sabotaging the works of another. (Xbox division -> OS division)

You're clueless, there are a lot of people who would jump ship if Windows suddenly lost gaming (myself included) but we are but a tiny fraction compared to the non-gaming population who still buys or needs Windows for a variety of reasons.

Linux is not competition because it's too hard to set up, configure and maintain for the average user, Mac OS X is the only real competition but until the OS is free to run on any x86 hardware (without hacks) then it won't be a serious threat either.

Windows (and PC gaming for that matter) is here to stay.

Most Linux distros are pretty easy to use. The problems are that packages break easily, there are too many distros, and there are no standard one click installation methods that will work for all distros. Linux needs to make an official distro that uses something similar to .deb or .rpm, somehting which is similar to .exe or .msi.

 

[Piuc2020]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
well if WAKE has just a tiny bit of the TWIN PEAKS atmosphere. You know: Evil in the woods, forested mountains, always a little rainy, nice but totally crazy townsfolk, mysteries aplenty it would be the most atmospheric game ever.

Regarding M$: Gaming is pretty much the only thing that makes Winblows essential for most consumers. If Google Chrome OS or Linux would be compatible with DirectX gaming, lots of people would jump ship in a heartbeat. Guess this is another case where one division of a company is actively sabotaging the works of another. (Xbox division -> OS division)

You're clueless, there are a lot of people who would jump ship if Windows suddenly lost gaming (myself included) but we are but a tiny fraction compared to the non-gaming population who still buys or needs Windows for a variety of reasons.

Linux is not competition because it's too hard to set up, configure and maintain for the average user, Mac OS X is the only real competition but until the OS is free to run on any x86 hardware (without hacks) then it won't be a serious threat either.

Windows (and PC gaming for that matter) is here to stay.

Most Linux distros are pretty easy to use. The problems are that packages break easily, there are too many distros, and there are no standard one click installation methods that will work for all distros. Linux needs to make an official distro that uses something similar to .deb or .rpm, somehting which is similar to .exe or .msi.

People have trouble dealing with Windows and Mac OS X (imagine that) and you want them to handle linux?

Remember, most people are not into computers as much as we are, I get calls from friends asking me to help them with Mac OS X all the time and Mac OS X is probably the most user-friendly system in the planet; it's just the way things are, most people don't know how to use computers well and that's not going to change for a long time (if ever).

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
well if WAKE has just a tiny bit of the TWIN PEAKS atmosphere. You know: Evil in the woods, forested mountains, always a little rainy, nice but totally crazy townsfolk, mysteries aplenty it would be the most atmospheric game ever.

Regarding M$: Gaming is pretty much the only thing that makes Winblows essential for most consumers. If Google Chrome OS or Linux would be compatible with DirectX gaming, lots of people would jump ship in a heartbeat. Guess this is another case where one division of a company is actively sabotaging the works of another. (Xbox division -> OS division)

You're clueless, there are a lot of people who would jump ship if Windows suddenly lost gaming (myself included) but we are but a tiny fraction compared to the non-gaming population who still buys or needs Windows for a variety of reasons.

Linux is not competition because it's too hard to set up, configure and maintain for the average user, Mac OS X is the only real competition but until the OS is free to run on any x86 hardware (without hacks) then it won't be a serious threat either.

Windows (and PC gaming for that matter) is here to stay.

Most Linux distros are pretty easy to use. The problems are that packages break easily, there are too many distros, and there are no standard one click installation methods that will work for all distros. Linux needs to make an official distro that uses something similar to .deb or .rpm, somehting which is similar to .exe or .msi.

People have trouble dealing with Windows and Mac OS X (imagine that) and you want them to handle linux?

Remember, most people are not into computers as much as we are, I get calls from friends asking me to help them with Mac OS X all the time and Mac OS X is probably the most user-friendly system in the planet; it's just the way things are, most people don't know how to use computers well and that's not going to change for a long time (if ever).

Which is sad really.

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020
You're clueless, there are a lot of people who would jump ship if Windows suddenly lost gaming (myself included) but we are but a tiny fraction compared to the non-gaming population who still buys or needs Windows for a variety of reasons.

But that tiny fraction of enthusiasts has a lot of influence on what others use.

People have trouble dealing with Windows and Mac OS X (imagine that) and you want them to handle linux?

Which is why what I use will be end up being what my family uses, and many of my friends use. If I give up Windows, then that will be at least a half dozen or more other people giving up Windows, or learning to do everything themselves.

 

[Piuc2020]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Piuc2020
You're clueless, there are a lot of people who would jump ship if Windows suddenly lost gaming (myself included) but we are but a tiny fraction compared to the non-gaming population who still buys or needs Windows for a variety of reasons.

But that tiny fraction of enthusiasts has a lot of influence on what others use.

People have trouble dealing with Windows and Mac OS X (imagine that) and you want them to handle linux?

Which is why what I use will be end up being what my family uses, and many of my friends use. If I give up Windows, then that will be at least a half dozen or more other people giving up Windows, or learning to do everything themselves.

I can't believe you are seriously suggesting Windows will suffer if PC gaming dies or even that Windows owes its success to gamers it's preposterous.

The only way Windows is ever going to start losing marketshare (it already has a little bit) in a serious manner is when Apple releases OSX to be used on any x86 machine, it probably never will (since that's the main advantage of buying Apple hardware) but at least it's a little more probable than PC gaming dying :roll:

 

[reallyscrued]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

I can't believe you are seriously suggesting Windows will suffer if PC gaming dies or even that Windows owes its success to gamers it's preposterous.

The only way Windows is ever going to start losing marketshare (it already has a little bit) in a serious manner is when Apple releases OSX to be used on any x86 machine, it probably never will (since that's the main advantage of buying Apple hardware) but at least it's a little more probable than PC gaming dying :roll:

It will.

 

[Piuc2020]

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

I can't believe you are seriously suggesting Windows will suffer if PC gaming dies or even that Windows owes its success to gamers it's preposterous.

The only way Windows is ever going to start losing marketshare (it already has a little bit) in a serious manner is when Apple releases OSX to be used on any x86 machine, it probably never will (since that's the main advantage of buying Apple hardware) but at least it's a little more probable than PC gaming dying :roll:

It will.

:shocked:

I have no words.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

I can't believe you are seriously suggesting Windows will suffer if PC gaming dies or even that Windows owes its success to gamers it's preposterous.

The only way Windows is ever going to start losing marketshare (it already has a little bit) in a serious manner is when Apple releases OSX to be used on any x86 machine, it probably never will (since that's the main advantage of buying Apple hardware) but at least it's a little more probable than PC gaming dying :roll:

It will.

:shocked:

I have no words.

He's at least partially right. Outside of games, there really isn't much to prevent people from switching to Linux or Mac. The only thing that ties me to Windows is gaming. MS Office is also on Mac OS, and that's basically the only killer-app anyone uses.

 

[Raider1284]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

I can't believe you are seriously suggesting Windows will suffer if PC gaming dies or even that Windows owes its success to gamers it's preposterous.

The only way Windows is ever going to start losing marketshare (it already has a little bit) in a serious manner is when Apple releases OSX to be used on any x86 machine, it probably never will (since that's the main advantage of buying Apple hardware) but at least it's a little more probable than PC gaming dying :roll:

It will.

:shocked:

I have no words.

I do. You are being incredibly naive or oblivious if you think linux is even close to being as usuable and user-friendly as Windows or the mac OS. Linux is strictly for computer gurus and users that enjoy messing around with their OS. Speaking as the average joe computer user this is why linux fails. If I plug something into Linux I want it to automount and at least make it usuable using a generic driver 90%+ of the time. If you plug in a new device, hard drive, cd rom drive, sound card, etc. It should be a few clicks at the most to get it working. I shouldnt have to scour the web for driver packages and manually have to install it through the terminal! Key word here being "clicks", the average user will never ever want to go into a terminal to install something. If the terminal is needed to install a piece of hardware or software then it is a failure in most people's eyes, and this will NEVER change.

And most importanly if I download an application I want it to ACTUALLY INSTALL when I run the installer, not fail miserably whining about dependencies and packages and other garbage. If the physical installer cannot install the software then it is a complete failure, and therefore worthless for the entire computer market minus the enthiasuits that enjoy fixing a broken installer. Whats the point of an installer if it cant even do what its been made to do?

 

[acheron]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
what is this, the 6th year we have been talking about the death of PC gaming?

more like 16th. This is an old, old, argument.

 

[frythecpuofbender]

UPDATE:
A bit of bad news for those out there who are looking to play Alan Wake on the PC. Remedy recently confirmed that Alan Wake is currently in development for Xbox 360 only and that plans for a PC version are now entirely up to their publisher, Microsoft.

?Thank you for your continued interest in Alan Wake. It is accurate that we are currently working exclusively on the Xbox360 version of Alan Wake. PC plans are currently open, and therefore it?s safe to say that at least a simultaneous launch with the Xbox version will not happen at this late stage. Remedy has a deep heritage in PC gaming and would love to see a PC version available to its PC followers, ultimately however this decision lies with our publisher.?

 

[Red Irish]

And yet we still question whether or not the pc is a dying game platform? DRM helped, but now games are not even being released for pc. The writing's on the wall.

 

[frythecpuofbender]

Microsoft is slowly killing itself. If there is no reason to get a big desktop, there is no reason to buy the next shiny new Windows bloatware.
Just use a console and a netbook with Chrome OS and Microsoft is out-of-the-picture.
I wonder if this is a typical case of a big company acting schizophrenic where one arm does the opposite of another department.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

I'm sure like a year after the 360 version drops, PC gamers will get a poorly ported version of the game with a mad assortment of issues.

All in the name of stemming piracy.

 

[frythecpuofbender]

Yeah and then we get:
"TOLD YA SO! See? We released this title only 1 year after all the console versions hit, with drakonian DRM, no LAN play and poor optimisation for PC and it didn't sell as much as we wanted!" Buuhuu! PC is dead.

 

[Molondo]

Originally posted by: frythecpuofbender
UPDATE:
A bit of bad news for those out there who are looking to play Alan Wake on the PC. Remedy recently confirmed that Alan Wake is currently in development for Xbox 360 only and that plans for a PC version are now entirely up to their publisher, Microsoft.

?Thank you for your continued interest in Alan Wake. It is accurate that we are currently working exclusively on the Xbox360 version of Alan Wake. PC plans are currently open, and therefore it?s safe to say that at least a simultaneous launch with the Xbox version will not happen at this late stage. Remedy has a deep heritage in PC gaming and would love to see a PC version available to its PC followers, ultimately however this decision lies with our publisher.?

*Barf*

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: Raider1284

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

Originally posted by: Piuc2020

I can't believe you are seriously suggesting Windows will suffer if PC gaming dies or even that Windows owes its success to gamers it's preposterous.

The only way Windows is ever going to start losing marketshare (it already has a little bit) in a serious manner is when Apple releases OSX to be used on any x86 machine, it probably never will (since that's the main advantage of buying Apple hardware) but at least it's a little more probable than PC gaming dying :roll:

It will.

:shocked:

I have no words.

I do. You are being incredibly naive or oblivious if you think linux is even close to being as usuable and user-friendly as Windows or the mac OS. Linux is strictly for computer gurus and users that enjoy messing around with their OS. Speaking as the average joe computer user this is why linux fails. If I plug something into Linux I want it to automount and at least make it usuable using a generic driver 90%+ of the time. If you plug in a new device, hard drive, cd rom drive, sound card, etc. It should be a few clicks at the most to get it working. I shouldnt have to scour the web for driver packages and manually have to install it through the terminal! Key word here being "clicks", the average user will never ever want to go into a terminal to install something. If the terminal is needed to install a piece of hardware or software then it is a failure in most people's eyes, and this will NEVER change.

And most importanly if I download an application I want it to ACTUALLY INSTALL when I run the installer, not fail miserably whining about dependencies and packages and other garbage. If the physical installer cannot install the software then it is a complete failure, and therefore worthless for the entire computer market minus the enthiasuits that enjoy fixing a broken installer. Whats the point of an installer if it cant even do what its been made to do?

There are currently 204969 Anandtech users. Not to mention how many users are on other computer forums. Most people on this forum could handle Linux, so we don't need the average joe just to make a serious dent in Microsoft's user base. Then how many friends and family members rely on each forum member here for advice and reformats? Then the user base would grow exponentially. Now, this was just an example but if Microsoft did ever kill PC Gaming, their user base would shrink significantly.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Dumac
Looks like another game I won't be getting...

PC gaming sucks.

This is relevant in too many threads these days.