Alaskan USPS Air subsidy is $99 million

wirelessenabled

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III. ALASKA AIR SUBSIDY
The USPS has two general parcel classifications; Priority Mail , which is entitled to air transportation and parcel post, which is entitled to surface transportation only. Because the bush country of Alaska has no roads, virtually all mail is transported to and from the bush by air. Although it is a ground service, parcel post is available to the Alaskan bush because of the use of air transportation.
It turns out that parcel post is the lowest priced way to transport goods to the bush because its rates don?t reflect the cost of air transportation. This has caused the Postal Service to become the principle means of transporting virtually all merchandise to the bush that is mailable (no more than 70 lbs. and 108 inches in length and girth). Much of the material never enters a post office before being transported. Local airlines maintain industrial size freezers, refrigerators and warehouses where groceries and other goods are brought and stored and then have postage applied before being placed directly on airplanes and flown to the bush as parcel post.
The Postal Rate Commission in its R90-1 decision found that the reason the Postal Service flies parcel post to the bush is because of its universal service obligation. UPS ground service, for example, is not available to the Alaskan bush. Air transportation of parcel post to the Alaskan bush cost the Service $99 million or two-tenth of one percent of total costs in FY 99. This is the upper bound amount that the Postal Service could save if it were to discontinue parcel post service to the Alaska bush. , It should be kept in mind that Priority Mail service would still be available to the bush as is UPS Blue Label (air) parcel service.


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People chose to live out in the bush. People choose to have modern amenities. USPS ratepayers get to pay for the freight charges. Sen Ted Stevens is in the middle of continuing this handout. Of course this isn't the "Bridge to Nowhere" of past fame.

Subsidy for 106 villages grocery and supplies postage is $99 million per year.

Maybe we 48 stater's could get a discount on oil?
 
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0.2%?

So a stamp could be $0.40918 instead of $0.41.

If the USPS were a private entity I'd agree with you (as would UPS and FedEx who charge and arm, leg AND left nut to deliver anything to the bush) but it's not. It's a government service and as such it has to service everyone no matter where they live in the US. That's just how it is.
 

wirelessenabled

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
0.2%?

So a stamp could be $0.40918 instead of $0.41.

If the USPS were a private entity I'd agree with you (as would UPS and FedEx who charge and arm, leg AND left nut to deliver anything to the bush) but it's not. It's a government service and as such it has to service everyone no matter where they live in the US. That's just how it is.

We receive no tax dollars from the federal government for our operations. We are a self-supporting agency, using the revenue from the sales of postage and postage-related products to pay expenses. Linkage

So you believe subsidies are ok?
 
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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
0.2%?

So a stamp could be $0.40918 instead of $0.41.

If the USPS were a private entity I'd agree with you (as would UPS and FedEx who charge and arm, leg AND left nut to deliver anything to the bush) but it's not. It's a government service and as such it has to service everyone no matter where they live in the US. That's just how it is.

We receive no tax dollars from the federal government for our operations. We are a self-supporting agency, using the revenue from the sales of postage and postage-related products to pay expenses. Linkage

So you believe subsidies are ok?
In some instances yes. What's the big deal?

What's more, as you pointed out, it's not costing the tax payer anything. And as I pointed out that $99 million amounts to about 1/12 of a penny in average postage. If it were billions of dollars and the average taxpayer was being soaked I could see your point. But it's not like that.

So again I ask... so what? Why do you have such a problem with that? Why not focus your anger toward something that actually makes a difference in the price of postage... like the postal union for instance?

 

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That's cool. We also shouldn't have ever helped rural farmers get electricity a long time ago. They should have paid for that all themselves and not burdened those poor city folk with the expenses. Also, we shouldn't worry about roads to people in really rural areas. They chose to live in really rural areas, why should the majority have to pay for roads for them to drive on? They could have chosen to live somewhere else.

People in the snowbelt who are way out in the middle of nowhere also shouldn't have taxes from the people who live in more populous areas used to provide them with emergency services or anything like that.

See what I did there?
 

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And what about the subsidies that you get for Interstates that they do not use.

Federal money for disasters such as earthquakes.

If you want to live in your own bubble then do so.

You probably will demand more social services than those that live out in the bush do.
 

Kwaipie

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We pay through the nose to those morons that insist on living below sea level in hurricane country and in tin houses in tornado alley. This 99 million is nothing and inspires manifest destiny.
 

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
0.2%?

So a stamp could be $0.40918 instead of $0.41.

If the USPS were a private entity I'd agree with you (as would UPS and FedEx who charge and arm, leg AND left nut to deliver anything to the bush) but it's not. It's a government service and as such it has to service everyone no matter where they live in the US. That's just how it is.

We receive no tax dollars from the federal government for our operations. We are a self-supporting agency, using the revenue from the sales of postage and postage-related products to pay expenses. Linkage

So you believe subsidies are ok?

I don't think subsidy is the right word here. They are not getting extra money from the government to deliver to alaskan bush areas, they are using revenues from other areas to provide service to those people.
 

wirelessenabled

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My only point in bringing this up is that subsidies are everywhere in the US. Even in places one might not think to look.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
III. ALASKA AIR SUBSIDY
The USPS has two general parcel classifications; Priority Mail , which is entitled to air transportation and parcel post, which is entitled to surface transportation only. Because the bush country of Alaska has no roads, virtually all mail is transported to and from the bush by air. Although it is a ground service, parcel post is available to the Alaskan bush because of the use of air transportation.
It turns out that parcel post is the lowest priced way to transport goods to the bush because its rates don?t reflect the cost of air transportation. This has caused the Postal Service to become the principle means of transporting virtually all merchandise to the bush that is mailable (no more than 70 lbs. and 108 inches in length and girth). Much of the material never enters a post office before being transported. Local airlines maintain industrial size freezers, refrigerators and warehouses where groceries and other goods are brought and stored and then have postage applied before being placed directly on airplanes and flown to the bush as parcel post.
The Postal Rate Commission in its R90-1 decision found that the reason the Postal Service flies parcel post to the bush is because of its universal service obligation. UPS ground service, for example, is not available to the Alaskan bush. Air transportation of parcel post to the Alaskan bush cost the Service $99 million or two-tenth of one percent of total costs in FY 99. This is the upper bound amount that the Postal Service could save if it were to discontinue parcel post service to the Alaska bush. , It should be kept in mind that Priority Mail service would still be available to the bush as is UPS Blue Label (air) parcel service.


Linkage

People chose to live out in the bush. People choose to have modern amenities. USPS ratepayers get to pay for the freight charges. Sen Ted Stevens is in the middle of continuing this handout. Of course this isn't the "Bridge to Nowhere" of past fame.

Subsidy for 106 villages grocery and supplies postage is $99 million per year.

Maybe we 48 stater's could get a discount on oil?

Screw that. We pay for the levies to keep a city below sea level water free.

I love paying extra due to morons.

 

jammur21

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As a Californian, I have a much bigger problem with the federal govt spending $8.5 billion to overhaul a second-tier city like Boston's freeway system than $99M to keep people on the wilderness well supplied.

I'm sure the rest of you don't like paying to rebuild our Californian cities every 10 years when a earthquake knocks them down.
 

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Originally posted by: jammur21
As a Californian, I have a much bigger problem with the federal govt spending $8.5 billion to overhaul a second-tier city like Boston's freeway system than $99M to keep people on the wilderness well supplied.

I'm sure the rest of you don't like paying to rebuild our Californian cities every 10 years when a earthquake knocks them down.

We're hoping the earthquakes will split you off...
 

jpeyton

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$99 million!!! OH NOES!!!

The money from the subsidy could have funded approximately 8.3 hours of our war in Iraq.

As a taxpayer, I'm outraged we don't spend more money on fighting TERRAR!!!
 
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