ALC 889A vs Audigy 2

LOUISSSSS

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is there any sound quality difference between the two when paired with a set of M-Audio LX4 speakers?

Between music/movies? between games?

which case panel port do i use to connect to the MB: the one that says "AC'97" or "HD Audio"? my case has both.
 

Ghouler

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ALC 889A is a HD audio codec so use this port. 889A codec is a decent one although onboard audio is always inferior to stand-alone sound cards. I have not seen a comparison between this and audigy, but there is measurable and audible difference between ALC 889A and X-Fi in this roundup at Inside Hardware: http://www.insidehw.com/Review...ds-Roundup/Page-7.html
 

konakona

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I think if you have the gear and set of discerning ears, an unmoded audigy 2 is most likely to leave much to be desired anyway.
If you are serious about listening to music, you would fare much better with a decent standalone DAC.

I :heart: my monica2 USB
 

LOUISSSSS

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Originally posted by: konakona
I think if you have the gear and set of discerning ears, an unmoded audigy 2 is most likely to leave much to be desired anyway.
If you are serious about listening to music, you would fare much better with a decent standalone DAC.

I :heart: my monica2 USB

wait what? huh?

the audigy2 was pretty much the best sound card out a few years ago. i am serious about listening to music, and iirc, the audigy2 was the best sound card for music a few years ago too. I don't think my ears have changed any in the last few years, nor did the quality of the mp3's i have... whats so good about monica2usb?
 

konakona

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audigy 2 is a good gaming card, has been the best at it for a while. it does not have a strong reputation for its analog section though. it can be made to sound very good with proper modding, but if you are all thumbs like me, you gonna have to ask someone to do it for you and end up spending more than getting something better souding to begin with.

monica2 usb is a highly regarded NOS DAC based on TDA1545A. it compares well to the likes of DAC-AH, Zhalou and Beresford.

"best" is a subjective term, but more people would have picked RME Hammerfall9632, EMU-1212M, Onkyo PCI-SE90/200, Audiotrak Jli@ over audigy 2 lineup for music, myself included.
 

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depends on if he wants the 7.1 or not. I am kind of out of the loop and am sticking with the EMU 0404 myself but I can see that the audigy 2 will be good if you want a 7.1 sound in video games, and/or don't want to use an external decoder.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
is there any sound quality difference between the two when paired with a set of M-Audio LX4 speakers? Between music/movies? between games?
Why don't you tell us?

 

tcsenter

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OK, let me borrow your brain and ears. I'll let you know how its going to sound to you. :roll:

ALC 889A is an excellent codec. The I/O (analog) side of the motherboard design is going to determine the rest. Few motherboards are designed with as much attention to audio circuitry and noise immunity as they could be, since its essentially a "free" feature that cannot increase the selling price by more than several dollars.
 

LOUISSSSS

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instead of making retarded posts, there are obvious sound quality improvements between sound cards. These sound quality improvements will be heard by pretty much everyone thats not deaf. can you hear the difference between stock car speakers/stock iphone headsets and an aftermarket setup with polk/infinity speakers all around/ Shure Headphones for the Ipod?

if you can't tell those differences, why are you even in this thread if you can't tell between obvious sound quality differences, you obviously can't help.
 

tcsenter

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Besides, its not like you can just buy the codec, so you must be interested in buying a motherboard. You already have the Audigy2 and M-Audio speakers, what are you waiting for?

If you are having trouble deciding between motherboards with different codecs, the ALC 889A is one of the best codecs available. IDT and ADI have a couple premium codecs that are as good (on paper), but they don't release drivers to the public so you become dependent on the hardware vendor or OEM to provide them. When considering that Realtek releases generic/reference drivers to the public (and does so frequently), and that objective tests/comparisons tend to favor Realtek more often than not, the choice becomes easy.

Again, the motherboard PCB design WRT the I/O and power circuitry is going to make or break any codec. Even a lower-end codec like ALC655 usually has worse performance than its capable of due to inattention to PCB design factors. Some motherboards are going to be better than others, but none of them are really great in this respect.
 

RallyMaster

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I was hard pressed to find a difference between the ALC888, ALC1200 and the X-Fi XtremeMusics that I have. I did an A/B comparison with the ALC888 vs the XtremeMusic first and then the ALC1200 vs XtremeMusic. I can tell you that the ALC888 doesn't have as much punch as the X-Fi does but in terms of sound quality it is probably about 85% there while the ALC1200 was around 95% of the X-Fi. There are very subtle differences but overall I'd just stick with onboard if you're using speakers because listening to speakers IMO are a lot less analytical than listening to headphones. I would also say there's barely any difference between an Audigy 2 and an X-Fi from what I remember.
 

Arcanedeath

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Personaly I think you should go with the realtek ALC 889A just to avoid the Audigy's Drivers, both sound reasonly good as long as your motherboard maker didn't totaly screw up the implementation of the ALC 889A. It also depends on your intended use, if its primarly for listening to 2 channel music I suspect there won't be much difference, but if your gaming or using a multi channel setup the Audigy may actualy be better.
 

LOUISSSSS

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well my biggest fear got shot down =]
my fear was that i wouldn't be able to get my speakers to mute when plugging in headphones to the front of my case.

currently i'm using ALC 889A with M-Audio LX4's connected through the rear of the MB. i have my case's HD Audio port connected to the MB's F_Panel connector. I'm also using Sennheiser HD555's connected through the 3.5mm headphone jack on the front of my case. it is working well so far.

as for quality, there is definitely a difference in sound quality between the two, there is much more punch and bass from the audigy 2. the ALC889 sounds muddy and much more flat. but the way i have it now allows me to have a cleaner case w/o: additional PCI card, 5.25 Front Panel, 4-pin power floppy cable to route, fat & flat ribbon cable to route from the card to the Front Bay.

i will stick w/ the onboard and see if it grows on me.
 

LOUISSSSS

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Uh oh, we have another "audiophile" who buys the Monster Cables.

no.

are all of your posts this useless? what a waste of a keyboard.
 

konakona

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if you liked an unmodded audigy 2 so much, you owe yourself try something better methinks
 

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I think I can answer this
When I first got my MB which has an ALC 889A, I was happy O boy Lets not install SB 5.1 (A Gen lower then Audigy and 2, and Audigy is a Gen back from Audigy 2). SB have HUGE Driver foot print etc, and driver's require lot more to be desire.
But what I found was astonishing.
Lets start with Stereo Sound.
ALC 889A it not crisp, clear and does sound muffled.
SB Live 5.1 Sound Clear, Crisp and more natural.
Now this what I have felt when I heard through Logitech X530
On Multi-Channel ALC 889A sucks big time, You wont able to hear Thumping Bass to chirping or screehing or Glass breaking sound effects from the Movie.
5.1 Sound tracks does not feel like it is comming from Multi channel at all.
SB Live 5.1 is a Best choice over ALC 889A
Audigy is a better choice over SB Live 5.1
Audigy2 is Best choice over SB Live 5.1

Right Now I am using Audigy 2, My MB does have ALC 889A.
I do play Mp3 to WMA and I watch Amature porn to HD DVD to Blu Ray.
 

rogue1979

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For analog playback on MP3's and DVD's the Via Envy24 sounds pretty darn good.

You can find some off brand sound cards that use the Envy24 chipset and they are real cheap.

I have an Audigy2 and the Envy24 sounds better to me....
 

LOUISSSSS

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yea the ALC889a sucks compared to my audigy 2. well doesn't suck, but is clearly muddy, and lacking in the range. the bass is also very bad coming from the 889a compared to audigy2.

the reason i have yet to go to audigy 2 is because i am forced to use their drivers from ~2004. i also like that my case is now cleaner w/o a pci card, a ribbon cable, and a 5.25 bay. i also like the ability to use my case's headphone jack.

anyone want to buy my audigy 2?
 

CKent

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Audigies are pretty weak for music. If you're serious about sound you'll get something better. If you're just looking for working sound, you'll use onboard since Creative's drivers and software are utter garbage.
 

dewdude82

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Hi,

I skimmed through this thread for two reasons...first of all, I'm a huge digital audio fanatic in some aspects...I'm also conflicted in the fact I hate digital audio comparted to it's grandaddy analog. Most of this stems from the fact that I see the standards for digital audio (if there are any) to be quite lacking....but I love digital in that it's easy to work with and can sound really good IF you've got the knowledge to assemble everything.

I've not dealt with the 889A, but my previous laptop had I believe the ALC883 chip. Either way, the main differences between the Realtek HD Codec chips seems to be mostly input and output capabilities. The Realtek chips themsevles aren't too bad, but here's the thing i'm surprised no one came up with....a LOT of the times, the quality of the analog output stages after the audio codec are what hurt a card. People tend to forget that despite the fact it's an digital system...at SOME point there's analog circuitry involved.

This is the case I've seen on most sound cards. You'll have a mediocre codec chip that's backed up with the cheapest opamps with circuits that aren't of optimum design, and honestly, I've ot had a card I haven't modified. Onboard sound, while added as a convience and selling point to the board...generally doesn't follow a high standard of audio quality. Sometimes you get outputs that sound ok, sometimes you get some that sounds bad. PCI cards aren't much of an exception either. A lot of times a maker will focus so much of a percentage of card cost to the DSP/Codec that they'll still slap on a basic analog stage that "works".

Despite the fact the ALC's are nice chips....I can't really say go for the Audigy 2...and here begins my spiel on the entire audigy series and other problems with sound cards.

I own an Audigy 2...I actually have one currently in my Linux desktop; and just so you know my credentials and history; my card before this was an audigy 1, and at one point I was a proud owner of a X-Fi.

The Audigy2 may or may not be a better choice over your onboard. Shocked? Here's why. First and foremost, the analog stage on the Audigy is good...better than most...but in audiophile sense it's still subpar. I've actually taken mine, replaced the opamps and using the existing board made a few modifications to the output stages to improve it to quite a fine card. But even with a top-notch analog output, the A2 still has problems. Yeah, the drivers are antique...which is why I started using the kX Project drivers for it. While these drivers are a bit consuming and "much" for a sound card, I have to say...I love the fact that I can create effects by chaining them together in a visual editor...plus you're able to route two seperate stereo outputs to other channels creating a virtural sound card...I mean, they truely unlocked the power of the card. But, the A2 is still based on functionally the same DSP core as the A1. The 96/24 support was "bolted on" in the form of the p16v chip. When feeding the card 88 - 192/24, it basically hands decoding over to this chip. If you're running DSP effects, a version is sampled to 48/16 and fed to the dsp then mixed with the p16v output. If you're playing back 44.1/16...then the DSP still upsamples in hardware to 48/16, it's this conversion that's not done very well and can cause a lot of intermodulation distortion. When I ran my A2, since most of my music playback was done in Winamp, I'd turn the DSP off effectively in the kX drivers and use an SSRC plugin to upsample everything to 96/24. So, if you're using the card "out-of-the-box", you're not getting it's full potential. The original analog stages are good enough for most people....so MOST of the advantage is taken from using the different drivers and changing a few ways you use the card...however, there's a lot of software you couldn't do that with so you still lived with resampled audio. Mind you I honestly don't know what the current state of the kX project is.....I haven't used the A2 in windows in probably about 3 years.

The X-Fi solved this problem in a couple of ways...first, the new DSP core was entirely redesigned and ran the effects at a higher rate (it was capable of 96/24 DSP effects), but had an entirely redesigned resampling process. That's part of the reason the thing has different "modes", changing the mode doesn't just change the mixer interface but it actually changes the processing mode in the DSP...entertainment put more in to resampling and enhancement effects...game put more into EAX 3d and other audio virtualization processes...music creation mode I'm honestly not sure exactly what that did. That seemed more like a "full manual" control more than anything. You had the ability to enable "Bit Perfect" mode which seemed to entirely bypass that nice expensive DSP chip and ran the DAC's at source rate for direct decoding/recording...but you could also access a lot of the EAX stuff from within it....although the mixer software was more scaled toward low-latency mixing...that's actually the mode I left mine in most of the time.

So, for out of the box operation...both are probably a toss-up. The A2 is nice, but it's really just a high-end consumer card and, onboard sound chips have rapidly caught up to it in quality...but you have the question of how good are the analog stages on the mobo and how shielded are they? While a PCI card is still physically connected to the bus, it's components are slightly further away from any interference sources. The A2 has that resampling issue where as I'm not sure what the deal is with the Realtek chips. Part of me wants to say the A2 is a better choice....but I'd really have to sit and listen to the onboard sound from that model of mobo because the quality of ALC, as I stated, does tend to vary between implmentations.

Best advice I can give....take your best stereo system...hook your PC up to it..listen for a while with the A2, listen with the Realtek....listen to various things....then go with the one you like better because, seriously, not everyone hears exactly the same and in the end...all that matters is that you enjoy it.
 
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