Alcohol Detection Bracelets Coming To Metro Counties

[dmcanally]

Originally posted by: TallBill
The Bill of Rights + the rest of the amendments to the constitution.

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And yes, if you are not givin a right, then its either a privledge, or nothing.

Look further to your state's constitution for more rights.

Would you be so kind as to show me where it says that? I have never heard that and have always assumed to be a free man. I guess I was wrong.

 

[TallBill]

The rights are on paper. Some have loose interpretations, in which case the Supreme Court becomes the ultimate deciding factor. (state or federal)

Everything else is not a right. Then its up to the state to determine what privledges you can have.

Because the constition, federal or state, does not give the right to drive an automobile, it is not a right. Then the state decided to grant that privledge to whom it choses and can revoke it for reasons that you've agreed to in order to get your license.

 

[Engineer]

I have no love loss for people who drink and drive. If you want to drink, don't drive. If you drive after drinking, I think 5 years in the electric chair is good enough for you! :Q

 

[dmcanally]

Originally posted by: TallBill
The rights are on paper. Some have loose interpretations, in which case the Supreme Court becomes the ultimate deciding factor. (state or federal)

Everything else is not a right. Then its up to the state to determine what privledges you can have.

Because the constition, federal or state, does not give the right to drive an automobile, it is not a right. Then the state decided to grant that privledge to whom it choses and can revoke it for reasons that you've agreed to in order to get your license.

Well that sucks, and all this time I thought we were free people... damn...

 

[Rainsford]

Perhaps I'm missing the point here, but how exactly does this "keep the community safer"? Let's take the main "alcohol related offense" that everyone really cares about, DUI, as an example. So I drive drunker than GWB after a frat party, and I get one of these babies slapped on my wrist. How does that protect the community from me? The only use I can see is enforcing probation when you aren't allowed to drink, but that is part of the rehab, not part of community protection. I can see why you'd want to be able to enforce offenders going through with rehab, but this seems like a large cost to do that. And it doesn't do much of anything to prevent DUI.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I'm wondering what makes this legal. If the offender has served his sentence, then what right does the state have to constantly monitor his/her activity?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: TallBill
The rights are on paper. Some have loose interpretations, in which case the Supreme Court becomes the ultimate deciding factor. (state or federal)

Everything else is not a right. Then its up to the state to determine what privledges you can have.

Because the constition, federal or state, does not give the right to drive an automobile, it is not a right. Then the state decided to grant that privledge to whom it choses and can revoke it for reasons that you've agreed to in order to get your license.

In the US, a right is implied unless explicity prohibited, not the other way around. I can do anything I'd like unless there is a law against it.

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm wondering what makes this legal. If the offender has served his sentence, then what right does the state have to constantly monitor his/her activity?

It would be part of his sentence I would assume.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: dmcanally

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: dmcanally
I know this is off topic, and I am sorry, but why is driving a privilege? My taxes help pay for roads. I know a person doesn?t absolutely need to be able to drive but there are many things a person doesn?t absolutely need that are rights.

One must acquire a license to drive a car. Said license can be suspended or revoked for various infractions of the law.

It's a privilege. If it was a right, there'd be no need for driver licensing.


This brings up an interesting point, though (and probably for another thread), what other products in the US are considered a "right" (we know guns, for one). What else?

Well here is where I am confused. In order for me to vote I must register, if I move I have to re register. If I commit certain crimes my "right" to vote is taken away. I have to pay certain taxes and get certain licenses to use firearms. If I commit certain crimes, my "right" to own a fire arm is taken away. What is the difference between driving, voting, and owning a firearm?

Edit: I mean I need transportation just about as much as I need to own a firearm. If I lose the privilege of driving, could I just get on a horse and take a stroll down Lamar Blvd? I doubt it... I guess my point is... what gives the government to right to tell me what I am privileged with and what I have the right to do?

Cars where not invented until after people decided that the goverment should control everything. If cars where invented at in the 1700's they would be a right.

 

[TallBill]

In the US, a right is implied unless explicity prohibited, not the other way around. I can do anything I'd like unless there is a law against it.

Well, we have certain inalienable rights. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That covers pretty much every daily activity.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Well, we have certain inalienable rights. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That covers pretty much every daily activity.

But that's not in the Constitution - it's in the Declaration of Independence.

 

[1EZduzit]

Anybody who isn't alarmed by this type of thing has to be half brain dead.

 

[dahunan]

At least alcoholics are so much more responsible and less violent than pot smokers..

 

[tommywishbone]

Driving is a privledge.... hmmmm?

I paid for the road.
I pay for the road maintenance.
I paid for the paint on the road.
I paid for the curb.
I paid for the signs on the road.
I paid for the land the road is built on.
I paid for my car.
I paid for the gas in my car.
I paid for my insurance.
I pay the DMV employees salary.
I pay for the people who patrol the street.
I pay for the street cleaning.
I obey the written laws pertaining to driving.

Thanks for the privledge of driving.:roll:

 

[EatSpam]

Well, that's what happens when you are stupid and drink and drive.

If the libs had their way, pot would be legal. Conservatives want to throw all drug users in jail, except for Rush Limbaugh and George W. "Snort" Bush, of couse.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Driving is a privledge.... hmmmm?

I paid for the road.
I pay for the road maintenance.
I paid for the paint on the road.
I paid for the curb.
I paid for the signs on the road.
I paid for the land the road is built on.
I paid for my car.
I paid for the gas in my car.
I paid for my insurance.
I pay the DMV employees salary.
I pay for the people who patrol the street.
I pay for the street cleaning.
I obey the written laws pertaining to driving.

Thanks for the privledge of driving.:roll:

I paid for the public hospital.
I paid for the maintenance of the said hospital.
I paid for the people who clean the streets.
I paid the salaries of cops and public hospital employees.
etc... etc...

But it's still inappropriate to stab someone in the street and have them bleed all over the sidewalk.

Likewise - if you drive truly drunk or stoned, after the 2nd offense you should lose your license permanently... if you're caught driving again, this time drunk and without a license, you should be charged with attempted murder and thrown in prison for years.

 

[Agrooreo]

I live in Omaha Ne were thats supposed to be coming and I honestly dont see it making a difference. I just got off 2 yrs probation in Sept for a DUI in which I hit a police officers personal vehicle and was stopped while drinking another beer. I just got 2 yrs probation and some community service and lost my liscence for a total of 90 days.

They already have the breatalizer on ignitions here but you have to pay around 1800$ for it and all it does is let you keep your licsence the entire time your on probation and not have it suspended. Of course your car wont start if your drunk but they dont check how many times you fail the thing anyways. I have a friend who actually has been on probation for a little over 2 1/2 yrs for a dui who has to have one of those on his car since it was his 2nd dui and he makes a drinking game outta trying to pass the test and never does, and he does it at least 50 times every friday and saturday night and has been doing this since they installed the thing 2 yrs ago and hasn't gotten into any trouble for it yet.

But anyway as far as the drinking on probation goes, its court ordered normally for a dui that you are NOT allowed to drink for the time your on probation. If your caught drinking or fail a breathalizer in your probation officers office you are supposed to be violated and go to jail but it rarely happens. While I was on probation I failed 3 in front of my probation officer and just got extensions on my probation. Its honestly a joke. The onl thing that taught me was that a cab is DEFINATELY cheaper than driving drunk. You wont have to fix your car, wake up early to go talk to some jackass probation officer, worry about killing anyone, do any community service at the zoo, or any of the other annoying things that come of it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Agrooreo
I live in Omaha Ne were thats supposed to be coming and I honestly dont see it making a difference. I just got off 2 yrs probation in Sept for a DUI in which I hit a police officers personal vehicle and was stopped while drinking another beer. I just got 2 yrs probation and some community service and lost my liscence for a total of 90 days.

They already have the breatalizer on ignitions here but you have to pay around 1800$ for it and all it does is let you keep your licsence the entire time your on probation and not have it suspended. Of course your car wont start if your drunk but they dont check how many times you fail the thing anyways. I have a friend who actually has been on probation for a little over 2 1/2 yrs for a dui who has to have one of those on his car since it was his 2nd dui and he makes a drinking game outta trying to pass the test and never does, and he does it at least 50 times every friday and saturday night and has been doing this since they installed the thing 2 yrs ago and hasn't gotten into any trouble for it yet.

But anyway as far as the drinking on probation goes, its court ordered normally for a dui that you are NOT allowed to drink for the time your on probation. If your caught drinking or fail a breathalizer in your probation officers office you are supposed to be violated and go to jail but it rarely happens. While I was on probation I failed 3 in front of my probation officer and just got extensions on my probation. Its honestly a joke. The onl thing that taught me was that a cab is DEFINATELY cheaper than driving drunk. You wont have to fix your car, wake up early to go talk to some jackass probation officer, worry about killing anyone, do any community service at the zoo, or any of the other annoying things that come of it.

That brings up an interesting question, what's the rate for repeat offenders for DUI violations? I mean, our goal here is to make sure it doesn't happen again, so can this program really improve on what's already in place?

 

[dahunan]

I would think the repeat rate depends on age of first conviction..

Every single strand of DNA in my family is infected with Alcoholism.. and many were repeat drunk drivers.. I have way way way too many stories to tell about them.. I am almost beginning to feel more sympathy for some of them.. horrible childhoods..

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
That brings up an interesting question, what's the rate for repeat offenders for DUI violations? I mean, our goal here is to make sure it doesn't happen again, so can this program really improve on what's already in place?

In my experience, I don't know anyone who has stopped at just one. I know more with 2-3 than 5-6, but I know several with 5-6. My home town is a natural place for DUIs since there are only about two cabs in the entire city and a whole lot of bars and alcohol abuse every night. Bars are open until 3:00 every night of the week, but you'll also have to wait at least an hour for a cab every night of the week.

This makes me wonder if increased public transportation might curb the DUI rate. If I could get to and from the bars without driving, I would do it every time. Instead, I end up not drinking so I can haul everyone around while they have a good time.

 

[Agrooreo]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Agrooreo
I live in Omaha Ne were thats supposed to be coming and I honestly dont see it making a difference. I just got off 2 yrs probation in Sept for a DUI in which I hit a police officers personal vehicle and was stopped while drinking another beer. I just got 2 yrs probation and some community service and lost my liscence for a total of 90 days.

They already have the breatalizer on ignitions here but you have to pay around 1800$ for it and all it does is let you keep your licsence the entire time your on probation and not have it suspended. Of course your car wont start if your drunk but they dont check how many times you fail the thing anyways. I have a friend who actually has been on probation for a little over 2 1/2 yrs for a dui who has to have one of those on his car since it was his 2nd dui and he makes a drinking game outta trying to pass the test and never does, and he does it at least 50 times every friday and saturday night and has been doing this since they installed the thing 2 yrs ago and hasn't gotten into any trouble for it yet.

But anyway as far as the drinking on probation goes, its court ordered normally for a dui that you are NOT allowed to drink for the time your on probation. If your caught drinking or fail a breathalizer in your probation officers office you are supposed to be violated and go to jail but it rarely happens. While I was on probation I failed 3 in front of my probation officer and just got extensions on my probation. Its honestly a joke. The onl thing that taught me was that a cab is DEFINATELY cheaper than driving drunk. You wont have to fix your car, wake up early to go talk to some jackass probation officer, worry about killing anyone, do any community service at the zoo, or any of the other annoying things that come of it.

That brings up an interesting question, what's the rate for repeat offenders for DUI violations? I mean, our goal here is to make sure it doesn't happen again, so can this program really improve on what's already in place?

I dont know for sure but it has to be extremely high!!! I should have 3 DUI's but got out of the other 2 on technicallities for the poliec messing up their "investigation" and I know most of m friends are on #2 or close to #3 now. Normally takes a few since the consequences are so slack the first time. Here you either get 1 week in jail or 6 months probation for your first DUI. Hell one of my ex girlfriends just spent a night in jail over one and got time served when she went to trial. But the consequences get pretty harsh around #3.

 

[Agrooreo]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard


This makes me wonder if increased public transportation might curb the DUI rate. If I could get to and from the bars without driving, I would do it every time. Instead, I end up not drinking so I can haul everyone around while they have a good time.

Hell yes it would lower the rate of DUI's lol. Right now here in town its free cab rides if you want one until Jan 2nd. A law firm pays everyones cab bills between 8 pm and 2 am since the bars close at 1 am if you tell the cabbie youve been drinking and what "that law firm or whoever" to pay for your ride. During this season its been proven over the years that during this time the dui's drop off.

 

[dahunan]

Why doesn't the fact that a DUI driver could murder somene with his/her vehicle stop them

 

[Agrooreo]

You never think it can happen to you. At least not until you hit another car. Thats what happened in my case. THANK GOD IT WAS PARKED. I know it sounds stupid, and it was but Im damn glad I hit a parked car instead of a car with a family and little kids. That kinda helped wake me up to the fact that yes it could actually happen to me(Killing someone in an accident driving drunk i mean)

Edited for spelling.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I would think the repeat rate depends on age of first conviction..

Every single strand of DNA in my family is infected with Alcoholism.. and many were repeat drunk drivers.. I have way way way too many stories to tell about them.. I am almost beginning to feel more sympathy for some of them.. horrible childhoods..

..seen similar prob's in my own family with the closet alcoholic the most heartbreaking of the bunch. No body knew how bad it was till he didn't show up to work one day and we found him dead in his appt. we always thought he was a beer drinker but what we found in the appt was byond belief. He had one DUI that I'm aware of but stopped driving except for work. Got rid of his personal vehicle. But drank him self to death at the age of 47.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Rainsford
That brings up an interesting question, what's the rate for repeat offenders for DUI violations? I mean, our goal here is to make sure it doesn't happen again, so can this program really improve on what's already in place?

In my experience, I don't know anyone who has stopped at just one. I know more with 2-3 than 5-6, but I know several with 5-6. My home town is a natural place for DUIs since there are only about two cabs in the entire city and a whole lot of bars and alcohol abuse every night. Bars are open until 3:00 every night of the week, but you'll also have to wait at least an hour for a cab every night of the week.

This makes me wonder if increased public transportation might curb the DUI rate. If I could get to and from the bars without driving, I would do it every time. Instead, I end up not drinking so I can haul everyone around while they have a good time.

please!
although, by me, public transportation is pretty great.
but i agree...people are dumb and selfish...especially when drunk and will drive because they are used to it and more comfortable doing it. i dont think it would help people who refuse public transportation but i doubt it would hurt.