With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
Nope.Intel stating any information about conducting DC on Linux?
Forest for the trees.I didn't say that.
I said all of the above are Linux based systems.
Agreed, whole heartedly. But you can't complain that it doesn't perform when used in a manner that it was not intended to.Nope.
What yo do with the CPU is up to the end user. The OS is the responsibility of the OEM. If you need GPU support then you need the proper OS / drivers + probably openCL.
Well, that was completely off-topic. Who said anything about a competition between AMD and Intel? This is an ADL thread, as far as I can tell.Ryzens are multicore workload monsters. ADL doesn't stand a chance in embarrassingly parallel workloads anyway. At least, not with max 8 P-cores. Intel has to try a lot harder to pack as many cores into their dies as AMD before this can be a fair fight.
There's no intentions implied by Intel regarding which HW / SW / GPU you will se with their chips.Agreed, whole heartedly. But you can't complain that it doesn't perform when used in a manner that it was not intended to.
Same as they don't sell sports cars and tell you not to go off-roading with it. I mean, most of these CPUS are sold in OEM laptops and desktops in large volumes. They don't need to specify such a specifically small niche usage market.There's no intentions implied by Intel regarding which HW / SW / GPU you will se with their chips.
It's called a "general purpose micro-processor" for a REASON. Because the specified workload is NOT pre-defined.Maybe because the CPU wasn't optimized or built to run on Linux for DC purposes? I mean, you're basically taking a sedan and saying "oh, it doesn't do off-roading! and got stuck in the mud!" The CPU wasn't intended for such and it's odd that your expectation is that it should excel in something it was never built for.
I mean, you're basically saying the reviews are not commenting on it "intelligently", but you are testing outside of the normal perimeters (specific and minimally usage) and saying you are speaking on it intelligently? Was ADL designed for that??
Thanks for making my point. GENERAL PURPOSE, does not mean it will perform better at a single usage point. It's a bit funny that Intel people have been targeting that they are the best gaming CPU for years. But, oddly enough, AMD wants to claim "fastest gaming CPU". Is that general purpose, or are they going after a specific function? You can't have it both ways. If it's all "general purpose", why are there differences between laptop, desktop, and server CPUS. They are NOT general purpose. Not all CPUs support ECC. Not all CPUS are built the same.It's called a "general purpose micro-processor" for a REASON. Because the specified workload is NOT pre-defined.
What @Markfw is using it for, is NOT out-out-spec. Just a bit on the bleeding edge from the Linux software guys.
I guess my issue is that you want to comment on it "intelligently". How exactly are you commenting on it intelligently when you are it limiting to a specific "test" and results that you are already looking for expectations to be good/bad? You are not an independent testing bench and how are we know what you are really using? You've posted no actual benches and AT hasn't posted anything you tested. Are we all supposed to just go with what you say? I mean, it's nice when end-users do some research, but you just seem to reply and not provide any info or screenshots???I bought it so I could comment on it itelligently. If you don't own one, then its all feedback from web pages you have read. Nobody ever wrote about ADL on linux or DC performance, so how would I know ? At least I never saw it. Maybe I will find a better use for it then a F@H house for a 3070TI.
Found out the F isn't helpful when your GPU drivers spaz on a kernel upgrade resulting in no display.lets just say I found out what I needed to about Alder lake by buying the 12700F. "
What did you find out? Because that CPU is fantastic at everyday task, games and general usage. Would you agree that it's a great everyday usage CPU???
I bought it so I could comment on it itelligently. If you don't own one, then its all feedback from web pages you have read. Nobody ever wrote about ADL on linux or DC performance, so how would I know ? At least I never saw it. Maybe I will find a better use for it then a F@H house for a 3070TI.
Which has nothing to do with ADL. Sorry, but it seems some people are trying to blame ADL performance on issues that are not it's fault or anything to do with it (or what it is designed for). It was designed for Windows, which makes up 98%+ of the general usage.Found out the F isn't helpful when your GPU drivers spaz on a kernel upgrade resulting in no display.
Agreed. It's funny cause of the similarities to Cars. I know people have the analogy, but it's so true! It's like saying, my car does 0-60 in 3.2 and yours only does it in 3.4 seconds! Honestly, no normal person would EVER notice the difference. Yet, for some weird reason, people want to make a huge deal about it and act like certain chips are just trash. It makes no sense, at all.It's a great chip for day-to-day usage with some audio/video/photo editing here and there.
You didn't get the F issue.Which has nothing to do with ADL. Sorry, but it seems some people are trying to blame ADL performance on issues that are not it's fault or anything to do with it (or what it is designed for). It was designed for Windows, which makes up 98%+ of the general usage.
Actually, I did have a screen, it just said "check your video drivers" and I did what it said, and it did not fix the issue.You didn't get the F issue.
When upgrading the kernel there's an exception to the NVIDIA drivers and you have to run a special command to install them with the specific kernel w/ an option at the end of the install command. They don't auto compile with new releases beyond what's in their manifest.
F doesn't have an iGPU and no NVIDIA drivers = no display to troubleshoot with to fix the issue.
That's a gimmick though. The only major difference from the X version is the bump in cache to 96MB and the cores are slower than and you can't OC it if you wanted to do so.5800X3D
Well, with the cores working well right now, I will be just leaving it alone for the time being, the 8 P-cores are screaming now.. And wait for Mint to support a newer kernel.That's a gimmick though. The only major difference from the X version is the bump in cache to 96MB and the cores are slower than and you can't OC it if you wanted to do so.
I still think you can wrangle some more HP out of the 12700 with the updated kernel but, we won't know for sure until you try again with the additional GPU driver steps we discussed. Just make an image of your current running system beforehand to make recovery quicker w/o having to setup everything from scratch again. An image only takes a few minutes to make and recover from.
That's what your secondary PCI-E slot and old HD 5450 card are for...F doesn't have an iGPU and no NVIDIA drivers = no display to troubleshoot with to fix the issue.
i don't use the F or a GPU since I went with the K and it's a headless system until I need to recover it if there's something broken. That K upgrade is worth the extra $20 for insurance purposes.That's what your secondary PCI-E slot and old HD 5450 card are for...
I paid $312 for my F. The K was $394 at the time. Since I run a big GPU for F@H, to me it was not worth the extra. My 12700F has a 3070TI.i don't use the F or a GPU since I went with the K and it's a headless system until I need to recover it if there's something broken. That K upgrade is worth the extra $20 for insurance purposes.
Thanks for making my point. GENERAL PURPOSE, does not mean it will perform better at a single usage point.