With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
Waiting to see your new version benchmark runWell I'm not a Linux user, but I know for sure that under Windows picture differs a lot to that (this is the prior benchmark version though, I'll run later the current version but I highly doubt things change):
On average, 5950X is 18% faster (consuming clearly less power than 12900K)
Waiting to see your new version benchmark run
Also, are you using DDR4 or DDR5 with 12900K? What speed and timings?
If you have a spare SSD, maybe you could run these benchmarks on Clear Linux?
You are gimping your 12900K. For highly multi-threaded tasks, it does best with DDR5-6400 or DDR5-6600 with CL34 or less. Those Phoronix Blender 3.3 benchmarks done with DDR5 of unknown speed.Same speed/timmings (DDR4) for both systems. Anyways, AFAIK memory type/freq/timmings are basically irrelevant in this type of tasks
It's never too late to learnAbout running it under Linux, well in my life used Linux so I know nothing about it, sorry
You are gimping your 12900K. For highly multi-threaded tasks, it does best with DDR5-6400 or DDR5-6600 with CL34 or less. Those Phoronix Blender 3.3 benchmarks done with DDR5 of unknown speed.
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Under Windows, 12900K is roughly 7% behind 5950X.
Larabel is taking advantage of patched Linux with better scheduling support for Alder Lake's hybrid core scheme. Windows scheduling issues may be preventing ADL from performing as well as under Linux.
If PL1==PL2, performance shouldn't change with load duration.Larabel use short duration Blender scenes such that the 12900K perf doesnt tank too much over time, at Computerbase the 5950X is 16% faster in their Blender quick bench whose duration is about 8mn.
Intel Core i9-12900K, i7-12700K & i5-12600K im Test: Benchmarks in Anwendungen
Intel Alder Lake im Test: Benchmarks in Anwendungen / Ein rekordverdächtiger Testumfang / Windows 10 vs. Windows 11www.computerbase.de
If PL1==PL2, performance shouldn't change with load duration.
HolythrottleCow!It shouldnt in a world of AIO, here the temp reach 100°C after 150s...
That's for unlimited power... If you're going to do that, yeah, you'll probably have an AIO. And why mix data between the two?It shouldnt in a world of AIO, here the temp reach 100°C after 150s...
The Blender temp graph is on the meddle of the page :
Intel Core i9-12900K, i7-12700K & i5-12600K im Test: Leistungsaufnahme, Temperaturen und OC
Intel Alder Lake im Test: Leistungsaufnahme, Temperaturen und OC / Leistungsaufnahme in Spielen / Leistungsaufnahme in Anwendungenwww.computerbase.de
HolythrottleCow!
That's for unlimited power... If you're going to do that, yeah, you'll probably have an AIO. And why mix data between the two?
Those thermal numbers were literally from the no limits 8+8 config...That s not for unlimited power, that s at stock settings, read above my remark about thermal dissipation of cooling apparatuses..
Those thermal numbers were literally from the no limits 8+8 config...
May I request one more battle? Both Zen 3 and ADL at 8C/16T.ok I run the latest version. Both systems with 24/7 OC configs.
Total Score for my oced 12900KF is 418.87
Total Score for my oced 5950X is 475.75
So 5950X is about 14% faster
As a bonus, CPU package power consumption while running the benchmark:
perf/power ratio is a no contest between both
Uh, yes, another 20% more power absolutely matters. And the performance numbers you're quoting are from 125W/241W, Iirc. Why mix the two configs only to highlight the worst half of each?That change nothing, with PL1 = PL2 = 241W the CPU stay at 241W, without limit it goes up to 280-290W, you think that 40-50W more make any other difference than reducing a little the time it take to hit the critical temp..?.
Uh, yes, another 20% more power absolutely matters. And the performance numbers you're quoting are from 125W/241W, Iirc. Why mix the two configs only to highlight the worst half of each?
Thanks. On mobile, so I was having trouble browsing their site. Still not sure I see what point you're trying to make about difficulty cooling a chip that's essentially being overclocked.Seems that you are finding all reasons to balance what is actually an erroneous perception of the 12900K actual perf.
Without limit for the 12900K the 5950X is still 15% faster in Blender.
If set at 241W the 5950X is 16% faster.
If set as you say at 125/241W then the 5950X is 30% faster.
Click on Blender and then on "+88 Eintrage" :
Intel Core i9-12900K, i7-12700K & i5-12600K im Test: Benchmarks in Anwendungen
Intel Alder Lake im Test: Benchmarks in Anwendungen / Ein rekordverdächtiger Testumfang / Windows 10 vs. Windows 11www.computerbase.de
I don't see anything about cooling. I see that he is saying regardless of the power settings, the 5950x beats the 12900k, just depends on what power settings as to what % it wins by. In the example he is using.Thanks. On mobile, so I was having trouble browsing their site. Still not sure I see what point you're trying to make about difficulty cooling a chip that's essentially being overclocked.
See #2909I don't see anything about cooling. I see that he is saying regardless of the power settings, the 5950x beats the 12900k, just depends on what power settings as to what % it wins by. In the example he is using.
But you were quoting 2919, thats what I was responding to.See #2909
Ah, that response to 2919 was a thanks for clarifying the information. Then I tacked on the callback to 2909 without a quote.But you were quoting 2919, thats what I was responding to.
Edit: I am using a 27 inch monitor. You are using mobile. I can see how its a little confusing.
Also imagine if my father was a nuclear submarine. The things I could've done.....With eight fewer threads. Imagine if Raptor Lake had launched instead of ADL. AMD would have lost in most MT benchmarks. But Intel is so adept at shooting itself in the foot.