With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
This is one of my favourite things you've ever said...Imagine if Raptor Lake had launched instead of ADL. AMD would have lost in most MT benchmarks. But Intel is so adept at shooting itself in the foot.
With eight fewer threads. Imagine if Raptor Lake had launched instead of ADL. AMD would have lost in most MT benchmarks. But Intel is so adept at shooting itself in the foot.
I meant, if Intel were firing on all cylinders and ADL never existed in the first place. We could have had RPL in its place and a year later, 8P+32E cores. That would have put AMD under some, if not immense, pressure.It's unlikely that Intel could have launched Raptor Lake in 2021.
May I request one more battle? Both Zen 3 and ADL at 8C/16T.
8P+32E cores at 600W ? Sizzle. I mean - we would probably see some power delivery components on motherboards popping under pressure - not AMD.I meant, if Intel were firing on all cylinders and ADL never existed in the first place. We could have had RPL in its place and a year later, 8P+32E cores. That would have put AMD under some, if not immense, pressure.
They would have to downclock the cores a bit to keep them within 350W TDP. Wasting time on the useless Rocket Lake launch was the stupid decision that probably resulted in diverting valuable engineering resources away from more important things, like ADL/RPL and SPR.8P+32E cores at 600W ?
I meant, if Intel were firing on all cylinders and ADL never existed in the first place. We could have had RPL in its place and a year later, 8P+32E cores. That would have put AMD under some, if not immense, pressure.
That wouldn't have fared much better. Rocket's problem wasn't TGL, it was 14nm and an obvious lack of optimization for it.Instead of backporting Tiger Lake, they could have backported Golden Cove cores without Gracemont cores to 14nm and gotten some competitive CPUs in the hands of customers around the time Zen 3 launched.
Heat-wise, yes it wouldn't have helped but they could have gotten better than RKL IPC. Some dumb group of Intel engineers gets very excited at the prospect of high bandwidth RAM. That's why they wasted their time optimizing ADL for DDR5 and mispredicted DDR5's rate of adoption. They could have simply worked more on getting their IMC to play better with DDR4-3800 or DDR4-4000. Their fetish for DDR5 led to getting forced to release RKL to buy some more time.That wouldn't have fared much better.
Rocket Lake was an Ice Lake backport. No chance would they have been able to backport Alder Lake on a similar timeline.They would have to downclock the cores a bit to keep them within 350W TDP. Wasting time on the useless Rocket Lake launch was the stupid decision that probably resulted in diverting valuable engineering resources away from more important things, like ADL/RPL and SPR.
They did it just to give their 14nm fabs something to do. Instead of backporting Tiger Lake, they could have backported Golden Cove cores without Gracemont cores to 14nm and gotten some competitive CPUs in the hands of customers around the time Zen 3 launched.
Sorry but for some reason, enabling only one CCD causes 5950X to perform well below a real 5800X/5700X. So it wouldn't be an accurate comparison. I can run the benchmark on 12900k with P-cores only, lets say @4.0ghz and see if someone here with a 5800X/5700X run the benchmark at the same speed...
Can you run it please, at 4GHz?I would consider running it but you want the cpu capped at 4Ghz?
Tralalak;12740751 said:
Processor frequency in Geekbench 5.4.1
Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.1GHz @ 3.3GHz (Boost)
Zhaoxin KX-U6580 2.5GHz
Can you run it please, at 4GHz?
recommendations on what I can use to cap cpu clockrate to 4ghz for the benchmark run?
Depends on the bios. Mine has a fixed multi.
How is this bad news for Mendocino? Zen2 and Skylake traded blows in Performance and Mendocino is now built on 6nm better binned.But this is bad news for Mendocino.
Is pending to see the GPU performance. But this is bad news for Mendocino.
Ryzen 3 5425U, Cezanne 15 Watt 4C/8T(Mendocino will have similar or better performance)
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Actually Cezanne is a very good processor. But.. isn't it Zen 3?How is this bad news for Mendocino? Zen2 and Skylake traded blows in Performance and Mendocino is now built on 6nm better binned.
Alder Lake-N 8C/8T Gracemont Cores
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Ryzen 3 5425U, Cezanne 15 Watt 4C/8T(Mendocino will have similar or better performance)
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