With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
Posted, but not a good DDR4 test my opinion. Good timings, but only a very basic speed (3200 MHz).<Hardware unboxed test>
This below quote from that link is what makes me leary of Alder Lake: (not to mention the temps)
"AMD Zen 3 is more efficient
At the upper end of the power, it becomes clear that a Ryzen 5 5950X with 16 "large" Zen 3 cores is faster with 142 watts (max. permanent power consumption ex works) than a Core i9-12900K with up to 241 watts, i.e. much more efficient. And even in the 65-watt region, things are getting tight for Alder Lake. Although Ryzen 5000 with Zen 3 cores consumes comparatively little energy even under full load, this architecture can also work much more efficiently if the clock is lowered.
In concrete terms, this means that a Ryzen 9 5950X in Eco mode with a maximum of 88 watts beats a Core i9-12900K with 88 watts by 8 percent in the editors' course, the 65-watt configuration highlighted by Intel even by 33 percent (with 35 percent higher consumption). A test of the Ryzen 9 5950X with 65 watts is still pending, but both platforms should not take much at this level – AMD's classic approach with a type core is intel's hybrid approach here at least equal and at the upper end of performance still clearly superior.
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Posted, but not a good DDR4 test my opinion. Good timings, but only a very basic speed (3200 MHz).
It was good before Zen came out and matched Broadwell IPC, then since Zen2 beat Skylake in IPC then it did not matter for many like youA single benchmark isn't really telling of IPC though. I also don't know which instructions CB15 supports. Does it use AVX(2) or just prior SSE sets?
"In concrete terms, this means that a Ryzen 9 5950X in Eco mode with a maximum of 88 watts beats a Core i9-12900K with 88 watts by 8 percent in the editors' course"
So 8% less efficient (if that's how you calculate that) for $200 less, I guess in some countries electricity is expensive enough for this to make your money back pretty fast but otherwise...
It was good before Zen came out and matched Broadwell IPC, then since Zen2 beat Skylake in IPC then it did not matter for many like you
I said "People Like You"....Please point out any time I pointed to any version of Cinebench as a measurement of IPC at any point in history. Good luck.
Yeah, that's all I could find for now, I hope we see some comprehensive IPC tests soon.Thanks. It looks like that's based only on the results of 3 render benchmarks though (CB20, CB15, and POV-RAY). So, while nice to see, not exactly a well rounded test suite.
"In concrete terms, this means that a Ryzen 9 5950X in Eco mode with a maximum of 88 watts beats a Core i9-12900K with 88 watts by 8 percent in the editors' course"
So 8% less efficient (if that's how you calculate that) for $200 less, I guess in some countries electricity is expensive enough for this to make your money back pretty fast but otherwise...
And still using a 2080Ti for gaming tests. Absurd. I used to wait eagerly for The AT review for new cpus, but now I pretty much ignore it.Anandtech is up!
A single benchmark isn't really telling of IPC though. I also don't know which instructions CB15 supports. Does it use AVX(2) or just prior SSE sets?
I said "People Like You"....
So, do people like you still prefer 3DMark2001 for testing GPUs??? Do you like this juvenile game? We could play some more...I said "People Like You"....
Not really:
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The E-Cores perform surprisingly well. I wonder if they can be overclocked? Seems like Intel needs to retire *cove.
Old dGPU, using Windows 10 for ADL(edit: this was wrong they tested both) and 2 hours late for embargo lift… oh and they haven’t done proper dGPU reviews in years(?) Anandtech quality is certainly falling off apart from their smartphone reviews.And still using a 2080Ti for gaming tests. Absurd. I used to wait eagerly for The AT review for new cpus, but now I pretty much ignore it.
Meh. What does "particularly valuable" mean?
To me it's worth ~$15 to $20, max, even now you can get a used Quadro with DVI and display port for that price on eBay with its own memory to boot. I mean I won't build with any F processors because you basically never save more than but... the number/percentage of folks buying an i9 and using the integrated graphics is what?
To me on the high end Ryzens and even if the i9 didn't have an iGPU it woudn't change my mind about them at all.
All these comparisons to the 5600X and 5800X also seem to ignore that the 5600G and 5700G exist and are fine - most people would never know the difference CPU wise and you get a usable gaming GPU (by many standards) included instead of a integrated stand-in. When we are evaluating the relative value of the 12400 and the like I feel like that it will be more pertinent.
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Maybe it's worth more in your estimation, and we can both have our own opinions
ADL has over double the L2 cache per core (0.5MB vs 1.25MB) than Zen 3 and 30 MB vs 32 MB of LLC. I don't think cache capacity is really an advantage for Zen3. Yes, DDR5 will help ADL, but that will be mostly for heavy MT scenarios or a couple of benchmarks that are more memory bound than anything, that doesn't really tell us much about the IPC or architecture performance though.
Haven't watched the video yet (I'm subscribed), but I love it when the media says company X must cut prices. Companies don't have to cut prices when their industry is supply constrained. If they choose to, that's their business. Intel are producing more 11th gen CPUs right now than 12th gen (and they are cutting 11th gen prices).please excuse me if this has been posted before:
seems DDR4 is the best way to go for now.
You can't, they were not published.I couldn't find the clocks at which these tests were performed?
Yeah People like youOk, so then please define "People like you". What are people like me like? If people like me said Cinebench told us IPC but I never said that and I am clearly saying otherwise now, am I still a part of "People like you"?
I don't read smart phone reviews, but Ian still does a great job within the structure of AT's test procedures. The Win10/11 point is pretty muddled. W11 advantages Intel, at the expense of AMD and vise-versa. It seems as though AT doesn't have anyone to do full on dGPU reviews anymore. Ryan (and Ian, IIRC) does Architectural breakdown - so for benchmarking I go elsewhere. I do wish they'd get back to it, maybe the $$s just aren't there for them in this very competitive area.Old dGPU, using Windows 10 for ADL and 2 hours late for embargo lift… oh and they haven’t done proper dGPU reviews in years(?) Anandtech quality is certainly falling off apart from their smartphone reviews.