With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
My wife would likely nag me about it for a few days if I did (like she does on some of more expensive toys), but it really comes down to me not willing to pay stupid money for something (for an item that is selling for 2x - 4x the MSRP). I just can't mentally accept that. I could accept it if it was something I had to have to live (food, housing, electricity, etc.), but paying over MSRP for a video card is no bueno for me.While I 'liked' this post, the reality is that my wife will never ever allow me to drop $1.5K on a video card
The original argument was that "Intel believed 4 core processors were all consumers would ever need" and in fact intel did make 6cores back then for the desktop, HEDT, but still desktop, I only mentioned FX to show how far back that is, AMD making a 6 core at the same time doesn't change anything does it?I don't need to, he said that FX series (Bulldozer) was released in 2011, when X6 was on the market about 18 months earlier.
Let us not forget the wisdom of Intel. AMD was 1st to 1ghz. Intel didn't believe 64 bit CPU's were necessary and Intel believed 4 core processors were all consumers would ever need.
It's pretty common for the top Intel CPUs to sell out first when they first launch.
The original argument was that "Intel believed 4 core processors were all consumers would ever need" and in fact intel did make 6cores back then for the desktop, HEDT, but still desktop, I only mentioned FX to show how far back that is, AMD making a 6 core at the same time doesn't change anything does it?
This whole Covid timeframe has been odd in that regard. AMD had a lot of hype for their 5000 series, so it wasn't surprising they were in demand, but I think all of the skus only sold out (and were unavailable for close to a year) because of Covid supply constraints / people staying home PC purchasing surge.AMD sold out on everything from 3600-3900X and 5600X-5950X. In the case of Vermeer, 5600X-5950X were sold out for months, with the 5800X albatross being the only thing people could find anywhere, some of the time.
Unless Intel has a metric ton of 12600k and 12700k CPUs out there, I see no reason why those should not be sold out along with the 12900k. Unless it's platform costs and/or board availability keeping people away from those CPUs.
Cpus like i7-980x (1000 dollars) and Phenom II X6 1090T (295 dollars) are hardly in the same category in my opinion.
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core i7 Extreme Edition I7-980X AT80613003543AE (BX80613I7980X).html
https://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition - HDT90ZFBK6DGR (HDT90ZFBGRBOX).html
The category is hexa core, if you don't think that both are such...Cpus like i7-980x (1000 dollars) and Phenom II X6 1090T (295 dollars) are hardly in the same category in my opinion.
This whole Covid timeframe has been odd in that regard.
If there was a B660 DDR4 enabled chipset for ~$130-$160 widely available I am certain there would be no easy to find ADL cpus to buy to go with them.
That said, Zen 3 had a huge X470/B450 install base that was just a flash and drop in away that changed the AMD game from "pretty competitive" to "objectively the best" and it was super easy to flip earlier Zen CPUs. Trivial. Often times the second hand market paid MORE than what was originally paid back in 2019. Crazy.
For the folks who dont want to be part of the debate...
What is the reason of the expensive motherboard compared to a last gen board? In which order?
Update:
- PCIe5
- DDR5
- Increased power requirements?
- Increased socket pin out
Just BOM cost, no inflation related or scalping stuffs
That is a big upgrade. Enjoy!
Well that is an.......interesting rationale for using an outdated dGPU. Each to his own I guess.Honestly, for testing at max frames at 720p and 1080p low situations, this should be CPU bound and that's why we see any differences at all.
I'd rather they keep using the 2080ti for historical continuity with their *CPU* reviews. A 3080 isn't going to provide any different conclusions at these settings (IMO) but might muddy the historical value of the testing.
In the future they should provide a nvidia 4090 or whatever test showing similar results to the 2080ti in these low resolution tests. If that starts showing different results then yeah, let's get that fixed.
AND obviously I would prefer they did GPU reviews worthy of the historical pedigree of this site that focus on GPU performance and functionality.
Well that is an.......interesting rationale for using an outdated dGPU. Each to his own I guess.
Any ideas when the laptop versions of Alder Lake are coming out?
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Intel UHD Graphics 750 Specs
Intel Rocket Lake GT1, 1300 MHz, 256 Cores, 16 TMUs, 8 ROPswww.techpowerup.comIntel UHD Graphics 770 Specs
Intel Alder Lake GT1, 1450 MHz, 256 Cores, 16 TMUs, 8 ROPswww.techpowerup.com
Only difference seems to be 11% higher boost clock. 30% performance uplift because DDR5.
another 20% from architecture improvements
It'll be interesting if Intel gives us a true desktop APU with ARC bits at some point like what they offer with laptops. It seems like with a thermal budget and DDR5 it could have some legs, paired with a 12400 like CPU.
It'll be interesting to see what AMD can do with DDR5 and the uplift from moving to RDNA2 on their APUs. If it is 30% from bandwidth and another 20% form architecture improvements that would really move the goalposts too.
Seems unlikely. Big iGPU consumes a lot of expensive die space. It doesn't make that much sense in the DIY Desktop market.
That doesn't stop OEMs from building desktop computers with laptop chips though, though they will likely be All in one, or SFF machines that have no slots for a discrete GPU.
Could be a lot like the APU in the Valve Steam Deck.
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Intel UHD Graphics 750 Specs
Intel Rocket Lake GT1, 1300 MHz, 256 Cores, 16 TMUs, 8 ROPswww.techpowerup.comIntel UHD Graphics 770 Specs
Intel Alder Lake GT1, 1450 MHz, 256 Cores, 16 TMUs, 8 ROPswww.techpowerup.com
Only difference seems to be 11% higher boost clock. 30% performance uplift because DDR5.