With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
Wow 51ns at 100GB/s; that's lower latency than my 3600mhz DDR4 2 * 32GB kit on X570.
Well, Aida64 is only "measuring" the performance in aida64 itself.. Not always a good measuring stick..Wow 51ns at 100GB/s; that's lower latency than my 3600mhz DDR4 2 * 32GB kit on X570.
My 12600K GeekBench 5 Score with 40% overclock with iGPU (Vulcan/OpenCL)
Follow up time, just became aware of this comparison:Huh, that's surprising.
Not that it changes much, if anything it just shows how Cezanne's freq/voltage scaling is worse than Vermeer's at higher clocks. After all, the Vermeer chip there is also set to a higher voltage - 1.35v vs 1.4v yet pulls essentially the same power, which just simply doesn't make sense.
I already provided a pretty clear perf/W chart with Renoir vs Matisse, and to show that Cezanne is more like Renoir than it is Matisse/Vermeer, here:s the same graph for the 5700G:
Uh, beating Apple's ST performance within a 35W power budget is easy.If Alder Lake mobile beats Apple M1's ST performance at 35W, Intel's revenge will be complete. Then at least mere mortals will be able to get that performance level in cheap $600 laptops. Apple might have good things going for it, but man, their prices make my eyes water.
Average Joe doesn't really want MT. But snappy UI responsiveness will get his attention.Uh, beating Apple's ST performance within a 35W power budget is easy.
Beating Apple's MT performance within a 35W budget is the difficult one.
How come 5600G is so power efficient?Follow up time, just became aware of this comparison:
Unfortunately I haven't seen any reviews testing this and I don't blame them. Intel lacks per-core power monitoring, making it extremely difficult to seperate per-core power.What does 1 GC core draw at ~5.2GHz? 25W?
Arbitrary standard, but yeah.If Alder Lake mobile beats Apple M1's ST performance at 35W, Intel's revenge will be complete. Then at least mere mortals will be able to get that performance level in cheap $600 laptops. Apple might have good things going for it, but man, their prices make my eyes water.
What does 1 GC core draw at ~5.2GHz? 25W?
Around 60 iirc, but 2*32GB at 3600 at cas 18, so not the best timings.What is the latency of your sticks?
Does this have to devolve into "No my favorite CPU beats yours in this benchmark..." (usually by some irrelevant amount)?
This is the Alder Lake thread, and it's a large jump that puts Intel back in the game. Zen 3 was also a great jump for AMD and they have had a great run with it. Apple M1 SoC have really shaken things up, both for the very good CPU but also all the integrated co-processing.
All really great products, that can be appreciated without having bun-fights over minutia.
Does this have to devolve into "No my favorite CPU beats yours in this benchmark..." (usually by some irrelevant amount)?
This is the Alder Lake thread, and it's a large jump that puts Intel back in the game. Zen 3 was also a great jump for AMD and they have had a great run with it. Apple M1 SoC have really shaken things up, both for the very good CPU but also all the integrated co-processing.
All really great products, that can be appreciated without having bun-fights over minutia.
Yes, it's an exciting time. Three companies producing faster CPUs for personal computers. A much better position than 5-10 years ago.Does this have to devolve into "No my favorite CPU beats yours in this benchmark..." (usually by some irrelevant amount)?
This is the Alder Lake thread, and it's a large jump that puts Intel back in the game. Zen 3 was also a great jump for AMD and they have had a great run with it. Apple M1 SoC have really shaken things up, both for the very good CPU but also all the integrated co-processing.
All really great products, that can be appreciated without having bun-fights over minutia.
Only Apple fans, many of which are too young to remember the days of PPC, when Apple couldn’t keep up with anyone.
Eh, when the G5 came out it was up against Intel's Pentium 4. Ran circles around it. But it stagnated since IBM and Motorola decided to pretty much stop developing the PowerPC line.I was actually sad to see Motorola and then PPC continually decline over time.
The mental gymnastics of the early to mid 2000s Apple world were insane to witness. Athlon 64 and X2 were basically ignored by the devout, and we kept hearing about how amazing the Mac Pro was despite it getting completely obliterated in benchmarks by the AMD64 stuff. Then they swapped to Intel and Conroe and everyone claiming how the G5 was better than literally everything suddenly had nothing to say.
Brand devotees puzzle me. These companies quite literally couldn't care less about you than a hole in the ground. If there was profit in grinding children to pulp and they could get away with it, they absolutely would, 100 times out of 100. There are no 'good' guys when speaking of corporations. Only varying levels of decadent and predatory.
As consumers we can only support what we see as the least bad option at any given time. The best mix of price, performance, and platform freedom.
Eh, when the G5 came out it was up against Intel's Pentium 4. Ran circles around it. But it stagnated since IBM and Motorola decided to pretty much stop developing the PowerPC line.
What I'm enjoying the most is the dichotomy of praising the new hybrid architecture while acknowledging that the classic setup on the 6+0 chips will be the one to bring that awesome perf/dollar ratio.Not to mention Intel of all companies has just charged in to save us, peasants, with (soon, hopefully?) offering actual lower end models and still awesome performance. What a year 🤣