With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
Def looks like Alder Lake is a bust for DIY. Rocket Lake might be outselling it. I think it's the board prices and perhaps the perception you need DDR5.
Def looks like Alder Lake is a bust for DIY. Rocket Lake might be outselling it. I think it's the board prices and perhaps the perception you need DDR5.
But stock performance - i'd go with AMD. Intel is actively taking steps to ruin DDR4 "stock" performance, like running 3200 in GEAR2 mode by default.
Must be MB issue. I saw Debauer comparing memory, and he had Gear 1 up to and including 3200 DDR4.
Power usage is higher. Depending on where you read and which chip it can be a lot higher. So Zen 3 is still a good option IMO. For gaming, the 12600k does look like a good choice.lol, a bust? It is faster than Zen 3 i. a variety of workloads, including gaming. It is a wash for others. If you exclude the 5950X, ADL-S is typically the best chip you can get right now. If you exclude the 5900X/12900k, you should skip Zen 3 altogether.
Out of all people to run non-stock der8auer ranks top5 easy.
The question is about loading BIOS defaults and running 3200 speed. What does Intel specs say about MC Gear to be selected?
EDIT: ScatterBench says official spec is Gear1 for 3200, so maybe it is MB BIOS thing:
SAGVMaxBW/
lowest latency
DDR4 3200 G1
DDR5 4800 G2
I haven't seen anyone run 3200 at Gear 2, so where were you getting this idea?
Def looks like Alder Lake is a bust for DIY. Rocket Lake might be outselling it. I think it's the board prices and perhaps the perception you need DDR5.
It's probably new for you but Intel didn't release their non-K lineup as well as the cheaper boards yet. Non-K is what matters for OEMs: 10100, 10400, 10500, 11400, 11500, 11700 etc. is OEM business. It's still coming and pretty sure i5-12400 will be a popular OEM CPU. DDR5 is not a requirement, there is no need for DDR5.
A little early to write the obituary. It blows Rocket Lake out of the water.
Once B660 boards arrive, the more value conscious buyers will follow.
Does look like there's a real preference for AMD.
Based on what? Tea Leaves? It hasn't even been on sale for 10 days yet.
As of right now Alder Lake Builders Thread in this forum has a whopping 13 replies. Granted, this is a rather unscientific measure, but aside from tech youtubers I just don't see a lot of excitement for Alder lake. Yes, it can finally take on Zen3 depending on the workload, however it's expensive, motherboards are expensive, DDR5 is expensive, and it consumes 100W more power in productivity applications. That's not exactly a strong performance...lol, a bust? It is faster than Zen 3 i. a variety of workloads, including gaming. It is a wash for others. If you exclude the 5950X, ADL-S is typically the best chip you can get right now. If you exclude the 5900X/12900k, you should skip Zen 3 altogether.Def looks like Alder Lake is a bust for DIY. Rocket Lake might be outselling it. I think it's the board prices and perhaps the perception you need DDR5.
If you use gaming mobos that are made to push everything to the max and are too stupid to make any changes to the settings at all, and compare it to ryzen under strickt power limits.and it consumes 100W more power in productivity applications. That's not exactly a strong performance...
Sales charts, etc. Plus given the reports that supply of Alder Lake was expected to not be much at launch, I fully expected all of Alder Lake K to be completely sold out almost immediately regardless of reviews. You can't even use the dGPU shortage as an excuse.
So based on nothing at all. That's what I thought.
It's downright criminal for reviewers to use stock settings (of the mobo) for intel but then use amd mandated limits for ryzen, either show both at full blast or both at intel/amd set limits.
Finally got my i5-12600K undervolted with stock speeds. Only overclocked it the IGPU but I hardly use that anyways.
That's pretty good! How did you pull off the undervolt?
This is the way!
I saw some speculation that decision to drop AVX512 came so late, that each ADL chip has P cores with burned in V/F curves ready for AVX512 stability. People are doing easy >50mV undervolts while keeping perfect stability everywhere.
Kinda shows how much Intel cares about desktop market if they don't mind their CPUs burning 50W extra.
Oh and obviuosly undervolts double dip into power, as now E cores are not being overfed with volts either, so win-win for team Intel.