With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
Last I checked Intel was not into mining their own wafer quality Silicon Metal, so China hoarding it will eventually catch up to their supplyYou mean it's not made from magical unicorn farts (which Intel apparently also owns)?
8C/16T Zen3 vs 8C/16T Golden Cove is a side grade at best for gaming if you have a Mid Tier and Up GPU and play at 1440P or betterI might upgrade from a Ryzen 5800x to a i7-12700k within the next 2 months. Does the BIOS in the Z690 motherboards have an option to disable the E-cores? I read that I need Windows 11 to have the optimized thread scheduler that distinguishes between the P-Cores and the E-Cores of the 12th gen CPU's that have E-cores but I want to stick with Windows 10 for now and that's why I want to know if I can disable the E-cores in the BIOS for the 12700k.
It wasn't really worth it. I've just scored 17,700 for a marginal increase in core clock by 100MHz all core which took temps from 60 to 66 deg C. Total package power at 132 watts.
I guess I'll just stick at stock on the CPU, tweak my RAM timings and go from there. I game at 1440p anyway, so with my 6700XT I'm GPU limited. A fun exercise nonetheless.
FYI my PSU is a RM650x and my cooler is a Corsair hi100 Elite, so I think I'm fairly well covered there.
This could also be the retailers not wanting to stock them anymore to empty their stocks for 12th gen, and or maybe to upsell people.When every retailer was sold out of the 11600k about 45 days ago when I upgraded my son's computer, it was simply because Intel didn't want to sell any?
But the same thing doesn't stop other CPUs (Intel and AMD both) from selling well.Part of the reason for slow uptake is probably also the continued expense and scarcity of high end dgpus, added to the already high platform costs for motherboards and ram.
And as others said, it is late to the party. I am glad to see Intel competitive or even in the lead in some cases, but it is not a compelling upgrade to Zen 3.
Watercooling doesn't make the heat disappear though 😶😶😶Watercooling seems to tame it. AiO or custom. Still wondering if 10ESF has hotspotting issues though.
Yeah right, owning hardware is so XVII. century...Yes, 360mm AIO.
I think the main reason there aren't many people on here with one is that most here like to talk and argue about the hardware without actually owning it.
Or maybe a thread exclusively for elite members of our society?If you look at Anandtech's forum users over the last 20+ years, you'll probably notice a lot of "budget" buyers that only maintain one or two systems on their own dollar and that only upgrade occasionally. Remember the QX6700? It was widely discussed, but only a few people bought it (opting for its less-expensive Q6600 sibling, among other chips).
Granted the QX6700 had superficial shortages at launch, leading to sites like NewEgg bidding up prices to absurd levels, so that also explains why only a few of us had one. The 12900k is pretty spendy as a platform, though, so there are only so many people with the cash to buy one. Perhaps there will be more Alder Lake-S adopters once B660 launches.
Using proper setting does though.Watercooling doesn't make the heat disappear though 😶😶😶
Intel constantly ran short of CPUs in the 14nm era when silicon shortages weren't as bad as they are now.
If you are looking at building a CPU for massively parallel workloads, (Which 16 P cores implies) then using a larger balance of E-cores makes more sense. They are both more Area efficient, and more Power efficient. This is exactly why they exist.
For you it is, obviously.Being able to use twice the power to beat the 5950x in a big part of benches WITHOUT EVEN OVERCLOCKING is just the cherry on top.
Yes it's extremely obvious to anybody, both PBO and overclocking voids your warranty on your $500-800 cpus, lifting the power limit on an intel cpu doesn't.For you it is, obviously.
Get ready to use JEDEC memory timings to keep the warranty then.Yes it's extremely obvious to anybody, both PBO and overclocking voids your warranty on your $500-800 cpus, lifting the power limit on an intel cpu doesn't.
What's the problem with that?! Is that going to use up 200w or is it going to make the cpu run like a celeron?!Get ready to use JEDEC memory timings to keep the warranty then.
You're inventing a reason, no enthusiast will go through the trouble of configuring a 200W+ 12900K build only to use JEDEC compliant memory settings, meaning the same warranty risks apply.What's the problem with that?! Is that going to use up 200w or is it going to make the cpu run like a celeron?!
I'm not sure why are you mistaking this thread with a reddit partisanship proving ground, but OK. I promise you I won't ever overclock my 9900K, I never had to. I did, however, _unlift_ the power limit the moment I've figured out why the hell is my living room and mostly around my desk always 5-6 °C warmer than the rest of the flat, even though the CPU temps are always reasonable (hail Noctua). A nicely baked cherry on top indeed 😊Yes it's extremely obvious to anybody, both PBO and overclocking voids your warranty on your $500-800 cpus, lifting the power limit on an intel cpu doesn't.
Intel's current heterogenous core implementation is slightly borked. 8+8 should already be driving efficiency, but it really isn't.
Again, screwed up voltage planes, cores being pushed outside of the proper part of the v/f curve, etc. Alder Lake-S has the look of a weird, overclocked mobile CPU rather than a desktop CPU for parallel workloads.
Adding more E-cores => lower P-core clocks in MT for a set performance target => lower voltages => better efficiency.I'm not entirely certain that just adding more E cores would be the right solution unless Intel could fix the voltage problems and dial back the P core clocks in MT applications.
And again, Amdahl's Law rears its ugly head (which would also be an issue for 16c Golden Cove, and is currently an issue for a 5950X).
16c Golden Cove with a dual ring layout and a better memory controller would have been a hell of a thing and probably wouldn't need to push more than 150W to dominate nearly every benchmark.
An enthusiast like that will not use lifted power limits though, they will do a proper overclock that will use less power and reach higher clocks than just lifting limits.You're inventing a reason, no enthusiast will go through the trouble of configuring a 200W+ 12900K build only to use JEDEC compliant memory settings, meaning the same warranty risks apply.
While Yona was developed in partnership with one of Intel’s California centers, the 65nm microprocessor product is the first to be developed in its entirety, both the architecture and strategy, by Intel engineers at its Israel plants in Haifa and Yakum.
The next-generation design has its roots in Intel’s Pentium M laptop chips, developed in Haifa. That suggests the Israeli chip designers have become the pre-eminent architects – over Intel’s engineers in Santa Clara and Oregon, – Roger Kay, an analyst at Endpoint Technologies, told The San Jose Mercury News.
First time I see a scaled picture of Palm cove, thank you.Not my image, from a friend on Discord: View attachment 52912
Not my image, from a friend on Discord: View attachment 52912
Using the dimensions from this die shot I calculated the CB R23 points/mm^2. In the same amount of die space Gracemont is 28% more efficient than Golden Cove. This is including HT for Golden Cove and running cores at stock speeds. 4.9 for Golden Cove and 3.7 for Gracemont. Gracemont really packs quite a bit of compute into a small amount of die space. As Coercertiv as been telling us.
Furthermore, if all of the die are was used for Gracemont cores, approximately 8.47 Gracemont clusters would fit on the die with a resulting CB R23 score of 32,700.