Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

[Hulk]

With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Even 80 is great for a gaming rig, that's more than 20 degrees away from thermal throttling, if this is at full load all cores and max 150W all the time then these are great numbers for the cooler because games will use much less of the cpu.

i5-12400 is only 65W 6C12T CPU and 70-80 degrees was in some game, so It was most likely no fully loading all cores.

 

[TheELF]

i5-12400 is only 65W 6C12T CPU and 70-80 degrees was in some game, so It was most likely no fully loading all cores.

Just a rumor for now, but the 12400 is expected to have a 150w turbo.
Also in this article they are talking about full load.
So again IF it is at full load at 150w no time limit then the temps are great.

Core i5-12400

6

0

6 / 12

2.5 / 4.4 GHz

4.0 GHz

N/A

N/A

18 MB

65W

~150W

$210 US $180 US (F)

In addition to these, Vietnamese Voz forums have also published some early Intel Core i5-12400 CPU performance impressions and also tested the chip with the boxed CPU cooler which ends up with the chip running at around 70-80C at maximum load.

Intel Core i5-12400, Core i3-12300, Core i3-12100 Early Review Leaks Out: Alder Lake Quad Cores Destroy Zen 3 Quad Cores, 12400 Faster, Cooler & More Efficient Than 5600X

Early performance reviews & benchmarks of Intel's Alder Lake Core i5-12400, Core i3-12300 and Core i3-12100 Desktop CPUs have leaked out.

wccftech.com

 

[Abwx]

Just a rumor for now, but the 12400 is expected to have a 150w turbo.
Also in this article they are talking about full load.
So again IF it is at full load at 150w no time limit then the temps are great.

Intel Core i5-12400, Core i3-12300, Core i3-12100 Early Review Leaks Out: Alder Lake Quad Cores Destroy Zen 3 Quad Cores, 12400 Faster, Cooler & More Efficient Than 5600X

Early performance reviews & benchmarks of Intel's Alder Lake Core i5-12400, Core i3-12300 and Core i3-12100 Desktop CPUs have leaked out.

wccftech.com

That s decent temps but he should had provided the fan spining speed...

 

[coercitiv]

So again IF it is at full load at 150w no time limit then the temps are great.

I can guarantee it's not 150W on the stock cooler. Here's how 150W looks like spread on more cores and cooled by a twin tower NH-D14, admittedly with just one 120mm fan running under 1400rpm under load.



The stock cooler is good for 65W, maybe 75-80W under special conditions.

 

[Heartbreaker]

GN tests a 12400 Engineering Sample:

 

[Asterox]

GN tests a 12400 Engineering Sample:

The test is useless, GamerNexus obviously got a bad or broken ES sample.I wonder why they uploaded that video in the first place.

French comptoir-hardware also tested ES sample.But their i5 12400F ES obviously showed significantly better performance.

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[Heartbreaker]

The test is useless, GamerNexus obviously got a bad or broken ES sample.I wonder why they uploaded that video in the first place.

French comptoir-hardware also tested ES sample.But their i5 12400F ES obviously showed significantly better performance.

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It's mainly a warning to NOT buy ES samples, which are apparently widely available.

GN has several ES samples and they all have the same issues. You can't use the main PCIe slot and cache ratio is messed up.

 

[deasd]

It's no way that 12400 consumes 150w in game, more likely ~100w even in multithread game... because gaming is not anything like CPU benchmark or stress test.

70-80 degree is not that good, I'm afraid it is due to the smaller native six core die, heat conducting is not as quick as those i7s which are 8+8 core die?

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Intel 28W Core i5-1250P(4C8c16T) mobile CPU is 10% faster in Geekbench 5.4.4 than 45W Core i7-11800H(8C16T).
Videocardz
It supposedly has 2.1GHz Base clock, that would be pretty good considering i7-11800H has only 200MHz more.

edit: fixed the wrong trehad number for ADL

 

[igor_kavinski]

Funny how Core i7-1260P has the best ST and MT scores whereas the top end SKU seems to be butting heads against the max TDP.

 

[uzzi38]

Intel 28W Core i5-1250P(4C8c12T) mobile CPU is 10% faster in Geekbench 5.4.4 than 45W Core i7-11800H(8C16T).
Videocardz
It supposedly has 2.1GHz Base clock, that would be pretty good considering i7-11800H has only 200MHz more.

I said the same on Twitter, but it's almost certain it's not running at 28W. Furthermore, basing anything off of Geekbench multi-thread results is flat out just a mistake.

The MSi Prestige 14 of last year (1195G7) ships with a 36W PL1 and 64W PL2. It scores 1639pts in GB5 ST and 6349pts in GB5 MT. Or just 20% behind the 11800H in MT in WhyCry's article.

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[Hulk]

Quick update on Alder Lake pricing and my market analysis. In short, seemed to have found some type of equilibrium and I think big market changes are coming.

Based on performance you would assume AMD would be pricing 5950X vs. 12900K, 5900X vs. 12700K, and 5800X vs 12600K. But they are not. To me their pricing basically says, "Intel has no equal to the 5950X, so we put 5900X, 5800X, and 5600X against 12900K, 12700K, and 12600K."

I believe AMD is still having problems supplying all the Zen 3 parts required for demand so there is no reason to compete with Intel in price at this point in time. I also think that they may have shifted or are in the process of shifting much of their production from CPU's to GPU's where essentially there is no competition since every part produced will be sold at MSRP.

This is smart. Why get into a price war with Intel over silicon that can be sold at much higher profit going into GPU's?

I also have a suspicion that the GPU dam is going to break and the market it going to be flooded with Intel and AMD GPU's in the next 3 to 6 months. If I was stock piling GPU's the only question I would be thinking is do I flood the market at MSRP and sell as many as possible until saturation and then lower prices? Or do I put them out in drips and drabs and keep the drought going for as long as possible? The answer of course depends on who has how many GPU's. If I had to place a bet I would say Intel is going to have a huge release with ARC. Performance won't break any records but it will make 1080p playing an easy reality and perhaps higher resolutions as well. But more importantly they will be available and at reasonable prices.

From a sales and marketing perspective Intel could break into the GPU market in a big way and make up for 20 years of "not being there." Many people will buy ARC for their first GPU, and if they have a good experience they will look to Intel for their GPU upgrade, and so on. This type of "bullying" tactic is right up Intel's alley. If they have a good product and can supply it in big numbers.

I think it will happen and bought Intel stock. It's tricky though. As always when you make an analysis of the market, even if you are right, your analysis was generally worked out by others months earlier and that analysis is already "built into" the stock price. Time will tell. But hey, we've gotta turn this fascination of ours with tech into something financially useful is possible right?

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I said the same on Twitter, but it's almost certain it's not running at 28W. Furthermore, basing anything off of Geekbench multi-thread results is flat out just a mistake.

The MSi Prestige 14 of last year (1195G7) ships with a 36W PL1 and 64W PL2. It scores 1639pts in GB5 ST and 6349pts in GB5 MT. Or just 20% behind the 11800H in MT in WhyCry's article.

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www.notebookcheck.net

I also hate Geekbench, but If there is no CB score out or anything except Geekbench, I can't help It.

 

[dullard]

Funny how Core i7-1260P has the best ST and MT scores whereas the top end SKU seems to be butting heads against the max TDP.

I wouldn't read too much into these one-off scores. It is easy to find a Geekbench i7-1280P score that is higher than any of those:

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Just type the CPU model into the Geekbench search term.

Going by one-off scores, you'd think the i5-1240P was only a third the performance of the i5-1250P.

 

[jpiniero]

I said the same on Twitter, but it's almost certain it's not running at 28W. Furthermore, basing anything off of Geekbench multi-thread results is flat out just a mistake.

The MSi Prestige 14 of last year (1195G7) ships with a 36W PL1 and 64W PL2. It scores 1639pts in GB5 ST and 6349pts in GB5 MT. Or just 20% behind the 11800H in MT in WhyCry's article.

MSI Prestige 14 Evo laptop review: What are the capabilities of the new Core i7-1195G7?

We test the MSI Prestige 14 Evo A11MO-026US with an Intel Core i7-1195G7, Intel Iris Xe Graphics G7, 16 GB of RAM, and a 512-GB SSD.

www.notebookcheck.net

I think you'll find that OEMs are putting PL1 and PL2 settings all over the place.

 

[dullard]

I think you'll find that OEMs are putting PL1 and PL2 settings all over the place.

Every laptop has a different cooling capability. I would hope they are changing the power levels based on what they build.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I also hate Geekbench, but If there is no CB score out or anything except Geekbench, I can't help It.

Yup.

User submitted tests like Geekbench is terrible. Even the single threaded scores wildly vary with exactly the same system, CPU, and TDP.

You cannot answer the question why it varies. Is it TDP? Nope. Turbo? Maybe? Magic goblins? Definitely.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Magic goblins? Definitely.

That's gonna be my next upgrade.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel completely disables AVX-512 on Alder Lake after all - Questionable interpretation of “efficiency” | News / Editorial | igor´sLAB

Intel is now set to disable “AVX-512” completely on all Alder Lake CPUs with an upcoming microcode update in new BIOS releases. Mainboard manufacturers were able to make the supposedly disabled…

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Igor's Lab claims that Intel is going to completely disable AVX-512 with a microcode update soon.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Igor's Lab claims that Intel is going to completely disable AVX-512 with a microcode update soon.

Once again, Intel would like to remind their faithful customers, that they indeed ARE "Evil", let their customer forget, and think that Intel has "seen the light" and as reported "had their 'Zen' moment". Nope. Same old greedy Bastard Blue.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Guess it's up to AMD to do right by their customers and give them AVX-512 in Zen 4.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Outside of "being evil", why would Intel disable AVX-512 on Alder Lake? Is there a QC issue? Bugs in the implementation? I don't get it. Intel doesn't currently have another leading-edge desktop or HEDT product they can sell to customers to enable them to get AVX-512 in the consumer/prosumer space. Unless they expect people to buy Ice Lake-SP?!?!

 

[jpiniero]

Outside of "being evil", why would Intel disable AVX-512 on Alder Lake? Is there a QC issue? Bugs in the implementation? I don't get it. Intel doesn't currently have another leading-edge desktop or HEDT product they can sell to customers to enable them to get AVX-512 in the consumer/prosumer space. Unless they expect people to buy Ice Lake-SP?!?!

We went over this already.

 

[DrMrLordX]

We went over this already.

Remind me? I might have skipped that discussion. Links are always good.

 

[Exist50]

Outside of "being evil", why would Intel disable AVX-512 on Alder Lake? Is there a QC issue? Bugs in the implementation? I don't get it. Intel doesn't currently have another leading-edge desktop or HEDT product they can sell to customers to enable them to get AVX-512 in the consumer/prosumer space. Unless they expect people to buy Ice Lake-SP?!?!

In addition to not validating it, I think they want to actively discourage AVX-512 use in the consumer space because it will be abandoned moving forward.