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TheELF

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Not sure about that. It helps Intel sell Alder Lake. How does Microsoft benefit? AMD doesn't have similar hardware scheduling (yet) but their CPUs can still run Windows 11 fine. Microsoft may get performance/battery gains in their Alder Lake Surface hardware through this partnership though.
Well it doesn't make windows 10 more appealing at least and every OEM shipping intel 12th gen is going to switch to using windows 11 so there is no downside for MS, 12th gen alone might not be a huge boost to sales for win 11 but it's guaranteed not a negative like nsp was.
 

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Even 80 is great for a gaming rig, that's more than 20 degrees away from thermal throttling, if this is at full load all cores and max 150W all the time then these are great numbers for the cooler because games will use much less of the cpu.
Would you say the same about the Ryzen stock cooler?
 
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jpiniero

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12900KS possibly coming.
 

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Why not, hey we can use water cooling to cool the i5 12400.


In a few days, they will do the test again but with Intel RM1 stock cpu cooler.Well, two tests(more clicks) are better than just one test, blah.

Why such a rush, i5 12400 was already roughly tested almost two months ago.There is no exclusivity here, i5 12400 CPU performance is already known or expected.

 
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jpiniero

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Videocardz has the official spec list for Alder Lake-S. That $42 Celeron will be popular with miners.

 

Exist50

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12900KS possibly coming.
Oh, another thing to note. Ring is at 4.7GHz with Gracemont enabled. Must have fixed that issue.
 

coercitiv

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Oh, another thing to note. Ring is at 4.7GHz with Gracemont enabled. Must have fixed that issue.
As far as I can tell, that screenshot is showcasing ST boost via running a ST benchmark (see No. of CPU threads 1/24 in the bench window, and CPU utilization @ 7.7% in the HWInfo window).

As long as the E-cores are idle, ring will clock to 4.6Ghz on current CPUs as well.
 
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As far as I can tell, that screenshot is showcasing ST boost via running a ST benchmark (see No. of CPU threads 1/24 in the bench window, and CPU utilization @ 7.7% in the HWInfo window).

As long as the E-cores are idle, ring will clock to 4.6Ghz on current CPUs as well.

Yea I was gonna say. And 5.5GHz is only for ST too.

It's amazing how they continue to push the clock envelope, even though we start needing massive HSF towers and water coolers for certain setups. It's quite a feat of engineering.

Kinda like the advancements they are still making with internal combustion engines. The mazda ones are the most efficient last time I checked?
 
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Oh, another thing to note. Ring is at 4.7GHz with Gracemont enabled. Must have fixed that issue.

So Intel uses HWinfo like the rest of us?

Anyway I don't know what to make of this. 5.5GHz ST, 5.2GHz MT, and 4GHz on the E's. That seems nuts unless they are binning some really great silicon. I'm wondering about price, availability, and how they'll do power wise when clocked down a few hundred MHz.

Perhaps Intel is trying to sell us $999 "Emergency Edition" CPU's again!
 

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Why not, hey we can use water cooling to cool the i5 12400.


In a few days, they will do the test again but with Intel RM1 stock cpu cooler.Well, two tests(more clicks) are better than just one test, blah.

Why such a rush, i5 12400 was already roughly tested almost two months ago.There is no exclusivity here, i5 12400 CPU performance is already known or expected.



12400 has 169w PL2? That's too high isn't it?

Core i5-12400 StockPL: Corsair H115i 280mm water cooler, PL1=65W, PL2=169W
 
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TheELF

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12400 has 169w PL2? That's too high isn't it?
What the mobo sets has nothing to do with what the CPU is actually going to do, as the article shows they got a max of 86W power draw even with the setting being at 169W
" but the MTP/PL2 of 169W (128-second Turbo duration) is above Intel's recommended 117W / 56-second boost. We measured a peak of 86W with these settings. "
 

coercitiv

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Anyway I don't know what to make of this. 5.5GHz ST, 5.2GHz MT, and 4GHz on the E's. That seems nuts unless they are binning some really great silicon.
Ofc they're binining the heck out of it: in that screenshot the VID for 5.5Ghz is 1.38V, that's quite close to the ~1.35-1.38V VID for 5Ghz on the 12700K.
 

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Ofc they're binining the heck out of it: in that screenshot the VID for 5.5Ghz is 1.38V, that's quite close to the ~1.35-1.38V VID for 5Ghz on the 12700K.

Yes, I noticed that VID as well. Yields must be quite good, which might mean some of the lower bins can go higher at lower volts.
 

jpiniero

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Here's the spec list for Alder Lake H and U. No P list though. The U is indeed using the 2+8 die. They did end up doing the 1+4 Pentium and Celeron too.
 
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jpiniero

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Oh and this is glorious... the Celeron has no turbo boost, which is normal but only 1.1 Ghz for the one P core and 900 Mhz for the E cores. That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

By comparison the Tiger Lake Celeron has 2 cores and 1.8 Ghz.
 
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Here's the spec list for Alder Lake H and U. No P list though. The U is indeed using the 2+8 die. They did end up doing the 1+4 Pentium and Celeron too.


Here is a full list of all models: https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2022/ces2022/intel-ces-2022-press-deck.pdf
Or here: https://download.intel.com/newsroom/2022/ces2022/12th-gen-intel-mobile-product-brief.pdf


This is a big SKU list, I'm counting 28 SKUs. In general I like it that there is a separate class between 28W and 15W.
 
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