With the release of Alder Lake less than a week away and the "Lakes" thread having turned into a nightmare to navigate I thought it might be a good time to start a discussion thread solely for Alder Lake.
Oh and this is glorious... the Celeron has no turbo boost, which is normal but only 1.1 Ghz for the one P core and 900 Mhz for the E cores. That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Might be a mistake for 1 DIMM per channel?H610 only support single channel memory? WTF??
Might be a mistake for 1 DIMM per channel?
Meanwhile, the H610 chipset is stuck with Intel's official supported data rates, DDR5-4800 for DDR5 and DDR4-3200 for DDR4. The H610 is the only chipset limited to a single system memory channel.
At least for DDR5, that's dual 32-bit channels in single channel mode. DDR4 users are screwed.I'm shocked by this decision and wonder why?
Gigabyte at least mentions dual channel on their H610 spec sheets. So I figure we just give it a day and see who issues a correction.
H610M HD3P (rev. 1.0) Specification | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
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It is a good day when on the medium and high end both AMD and Intel announced 15w chips that have 8 or mores cores that are as fast as Skylake or faster.Intel announces 12th Gen Core Alder Lake mobile processors, 14-core i9-12900HK up to 5.0 GHz - VideoCardz.com
Intel Alder Lake-H features up to 14 cores, 115W maximum power At CES 2022 Intel releases eight high-performance Alder Lake-H processors with up to 14 cores. Unlike the mid-range and entry-level desktop CPUs, which Intel also launches today, all mobile CPUs come with Efficient cores. Intel Core...videocardz.com
Here's the spec list for Alder Lake H and U. No P list though. The U is indeed using the 2+8 die. They did end up doing the 1+4 Pentium and Celeron too.
At least for DDR5, that's dual 32-bit channels in single channel mode. DDR4 users are screwed.
If this is legit, cheep socket 1700/H610 motherboard garbage received additional three garbage points.
Discussion - Cheap but good motherboards for Intel LGA 1700 socket!
For now, cheap but good LGA 1700 motherboard is obviously mission impossible. Asrock H610M-HDV / M.2, it is absurd if 85$ will be retail price for this Asrock DDR4 model. - not even a small VRM heatsink - only 4 rear USB ports...forums.anandtech.com
Again, I wonder what kind of broken alcohol Intel bosses drinks.
It is a good day when on the medium and high end both AMD and Intel announced 15w chips that have 8 or mores cores that are as fast as Skylake or faster.
And even the i3 has 2+4, and the celeron plus pentium is 1+4. That said it is disappointing the celeron has no turbo yet the pentium does, but it is a celeron after all. They are always hit or miss with performance and performance per price.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenov...G2-with-stronger-CPUs-32-GB-RAM.590206.0.htmlI have been waiting to hear about the specs for the 2+8 Alder Lake ultra mobile parts but unfortunately due to the opportunistic frequency/thermal nature of these parts we really won't know how they will perform until they are released in actual laptops that can be tested. Base guaranteed clocks are ridiculously low so we can infer anything about actual performance from them. ADL ultra mobile performance is going to depend on heavily on how Intel budgets those precious watts among the cores. I do expect the 2+8 part to be very fast in bursty workloads where it can use the thermal mass of the system to ramp up and down in frequency as needed. They could be very good for gaming, photoshop, video editing, and other apps that don't continuously stress the processor.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenov...G2-with-stronger-CPUs-32-GB-RAM.590206.0.html
When previous ultraportable notebooks with TGL-UP4 are being outfitted with ADL-P while still in chassis's weighing less than 1kg, I suspect that most premium ultraportables will be using ADL-P anyways (with at most some concessions to PL1 levels) so ADL-U performance may not turn out to be so relavant from a consumer prospective.
It's even slower than the i5 11400, proper dilemma of how and why.
Igor's Lab's i5-12400 review part 2:
What is the Intel Core i5-12400 on the B660 motherboard really capable of in workstation and productive use case? Our practice test | Part 2 | igor´sLAB
Can you really work efficiently and productively with an Intel Core i5-12400? And will DDR4 suffice instead of the expensive and unavailable DDR5 memory? Even if some questions remain unanswered and a…www.igorslab.de
Not bad, huh? Intel7 is on par or better than TSMC 7nm, based on all the proper and detailed power consumption analyses trickling in. Called it. ADL-S is not a power hog. It may, in fact, be the most efficient x86 arch right now. Imagine that!
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So, I know these observations were hard to believe at first, and rightly so, based on recent history, but Intel 7 is actually more efficient than TSMC 7N based on the final apple to apple (aka core to core) comparison done by Igor's Lab. The i5-12400 outperforms the R5-5600x in both games and productivity tests while using significantly less power.As implemented in Golden Cove and Zen 3 respectively, it's looking very much so. Unfortunately, the apple to apple test would be the i5 12400 vs R5 5600x test, both with 6 cores and 12 threads, but there's no sign of the former at the moment so we'd need to wait for a while longer.
It's become increasingly clear to me (and others have mentioned this as well) that the hybrid strategy Intel is employing in ADL is about conserving die space, and not so much a power saving strategy, even though that is inherent in the small core implementation.
This isn't a process thing, but rather an architecture one.So, I know these observations were hard to believe at first, and rightly so, based on recent history, but Intel 7 is actually more efficient than TSMC 7N based on the final apple to apple (aka core to core) comparison done by Igor's Lab. The i5-12400 outperforms the R5-5600x in both games and productivity tests while using significantly less power.
I tried but got nowhere discussing this point when Alder Lake first came out. Why buy a overclockable K chip, slap on the best cooling you can find, put it on a motherboard with high power level settings, connect it to the biggest power supply you have, and THEN complain that it uses high power?The power efficiency section in that review is pretty eye opening. Goes to show you what Golden Cove can do when it isn't clocked so aggressively. The 12400 makes the 5600x seem like a pretty absurd product at its current MSRP. Too bad Alder Lake's reputation has already suffered from a bunch of smooth brained "reviewers" and techtubers judging the entire architecture's efficiency based on running some full load AVX workload on a 12900K.