Alec Baldwin going off on his daughter's voicemail

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Ktulu
Meh, rich kid, I'm sure she deserves it.

She most likely deserves a tongue lashing, but the way he said it was verbal abuse.

You are lieing if you say your parents didn't flip out on you at least once or twice (more likely a couple dozen) times when you were this age all the way until you were way out of high school. Considering kids like Drew Barrymore who were into a heavy coke habit when she was 8 it is good to see a rich parent actually caring about what/where his daughter is and acting considerably upset that she isn't answering him. I very much doubt this nation needs another Paris Hilton and I doubt Baldwin wants it to be his spoiled brat.

Nope. My parents NEVER spoke to me that way. Sure, they got pissed at me but they didn't swear, call me a "thoughtless little pig" or go to the extreme Baldwin did. He truly sounds flippin nuts.

Again, I am not saying he didn't have the right to be upset. I am criticizing the words he used. Plus he acts like a spoiled baby himself.

Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

 

[Fritzo]

1) This has NO BUSINESS being made public. This was a private conversation between a father and his daughter. The person that released this (betting it was Kim) has some real issues.

2) It sounds like Alec loves his daughter and his daughter keeps blowing him off during their scheduled time together. He got shafted in his divorce and doesn't get to spend much time with her, so he's obviously going to be upset if his daughter is not making herself available when she should.

Again- there was absolutely no reason for this to be made public other than to make Alec look bad. I'm glad I'm not a celeb- you should have seen the rant I did with my 10 year old daughter when she got an F on her midterm report with a comment "She's too interested in socializing instead of paying attention".

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Ktulu
Meh, rich kid, I'm sure she deserves it.

She most likely deserves a tongue lashing, but the way he said it was verbal abuse.

You are lieing if you say your parents didn't flip out on you at least once or twice (more likely a couple dozen) times when you were this age all the way until you were way out of high school. Considering kids like Drew Barrymore who were into a heavy coke habit when she was 8 it is good to see a rich parent actually caring about what/where his daughter is and acting considerably upset that she isn't answering him. I very much doubt this nation needs another Paris Hilton and I doubt Baldwin wants it to be his spoiled brat.

Nope. My parents NEVER spoke to me that way. Sure, they got pissed at me but they didn't swear, call me a "thoughtless little pig" or go to the extreme Baldwin did. He truly sounds flippin nuts.

Again, I am not saying he didn't have the right to be upset. I am criticizing the words he used. Plus he acts like a spoiled baby himself.

Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

Who the hell do you think you are? I responded to your accusation so don't question me about it again.
My parents weren't drugged up and I was no saint. I was scolded but never with words like Baldwin used. I have no reason to lie about this. I wouldn't be speaking out so vehemently against Baldwin if I had received the same treatment.

I'm done. I couldn't care less if you believe there aren't families out there where the parents don't swear, curse, and degrade their children. I never claimed I was never yelled at. I did say that I wasn't verbally abused like Baldwin abuses his daughter.

 

[allisolm]

What I hear in that tape is ME, ME, ME. You insulted me, I had to make an ass of me, you humiliated me, you made me feel like ******, you made a fool of me, you've done this to me. I don't see how he's being a "real parent" or "that's how a parent should be" or that it's "actual parenting". I don't even see much "cares about his kid".

I got frustrated with my children at times but I never even DREAMED of calling either of them a "rude, thoughtless little pig" or saying "you don't have the brains or decency as a human being...", especially to an 11-yr old.

Do other parents do worse? Sure. Does that excuse him? No. Should the message have been made public. No. Is he paying for it? Yes. His visitation rights were temporarily suspended (at least according to some of the articles I read.)

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Ktulu
Meh, rich kid, I'm sure she deserves it.

She most likely deserves a tongue lashing, but the way he said it was verbal abuse.

You are lieing if you say your parents didn't flip out on you at least once or twice (more likely a couple dozen) times when you were this age all the way until you were way out of high school. Considering kids like Drew Barrymore who were into a heavy coke habit when she was 8 it is good to see a rich parent actually caring about what/where his daughter is and acting considerably upset that she isn't answering him. I very much doubt this nation needs another Paris Hilton and I doubt Baldwin wants it to be his spoiled brat.

Nope. My parents NEVER spoke to me that way. Sure, they got pissed at me but they didn't swear, call me a "thoughtless little pig" or go to the extreme Baldwin did. He truly sounds flippin nuts.

Again, I am not saying he didn't have the right to be upset. I am criticizing the words he used. Plus he acts like a spoiled baby himself.

Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

Who the hell do you think you are? I responded to your accusation so don't question me about it again.
My parents weren't drugged up and I was no saint. I was scolded but never with words like Baldwin used. I have no reason to lie about this. I wouldn't be speaking out so vehemently against Baldwin if I had received the same treatment.

I'm done. I couldn't care less if you believe there aren't families out there where the parents don't swear, curse, and degrade their children. I never claimed I was never yelled at. I did say that I wasn't verbally abused like Baldwin abuses his daughter.

That isn't verbal abuse. It is a pisssed father, even more pisssed that his daughter turned off her phone when she was suppose to be calling him. Just because you don't like the guys, apparent in your quote that shouldn't he be in canada. Sorry but half the problems in America stems from parents not laying down the law with their kids. I heard nothing in that rant that was not justly deserved, granted the ex-wife stuff probably wasn't necessary. I bet both sides are guilty of that though. I am getting quite tired of this "WON"T SOME ONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" bs.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

You're wrong. Not in moshquerade's family. Not in mine. My parents NEVER spoke to me like that and I NEVER spoke to my own children like that. If that's your experience then I'm sorry for you, but don't put it on the rest of us who didn't go through it.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

You're wrong. Not in moshquerade's family. Not in mine. My parents NEVER spoke to me like that and I NEVER spoke to my own children like that. If that's your experience then I'm sorry for you, but don't put it on the rest of us who didn't go through it.

Right. God I wish there was a poll as to how many people would call this bs.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

You're wrong. Not in moshquerade's family. Not in mine. My parents NEVER spoke to me like that and I NEVER spoke to my own children like that. If that's your experience then I'm sorry for you, but don't put it on the rest of us who didn't go through it.

Right. God I wish there was a poll as to how many people would call this bs.

They can call it BS all they want. That won't make it any less true.

 

[AMCRambler]

You know what the really stupid part about this is? This is the headline news today. The friggin' media could not find anything better to report on than Alec Baldwin scolding his daughter? THIS is the most important thing going on right now according to the media. What a crock of BS. People need to stop watching the news when they air pointless crap like this. </rant>

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

You're wrong. Not in moshquerade's family. Not in mine. My parents NEVER spoke to me like that and I NEVER spoke to my own children like that. If that's your experience then I'm sorry for you, but don't put it on the rest of us who didn't go through it.

Right. God I wish there was a poll as to how many people would call this bs.

They can call it BS all they want. That won't make it any less true.

I'd like to stand up as another person whose parents never degraded them in this manner, and I don't use that kind of abusive language with my own children.
My paretns would never consider calling me degrading names. If they were degrading their offspring they were degrading themselves, it would never happen. They would say "You do not behave this way" holding me to a higher level of behavior. They NEVER EVER cursed in front of us. I remember being 16 or so before my father would swear in front of me, and I still get a tongue lashing if I swear in front of my Mother, and god forbid she should hear me swear or lose control of my anger in front of a child, she'd have no problem swatting my behind with whatever was handy.


SirStev0, Baldwin's behavior is not in the frame of normalcy for many people, if it is for you I suppose that's fine. Many would not see it as such.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
He should have told her that coffee is for closers......

More like phones are for closers

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: allisolm
What I hear in that tape is ME, ME, ME. You insulted me, I had to make an ass of me, you humiliated me, you made me feel like ******, you made a fool of me, you've done this to me. I don't see how he's being a "real parent" or "that's how a parent should be" or that it's "actual parenting". I don't even see much "cares about his kid".

I got frustrated with my children at times but I never even DREAMED of calling either of them a "rude, thoughtless little pig" or saying "you don't have the brains or decency as a human being...", especially to an 11-yr old.

Do other parents do worse? Sure. Does that excuse him? No. Should the message have been made public. No. Is he paying for it? Yes. His visitation rights were temporarily suspended (at least according to some of the articles I read.)

QFT

He needs some serious help in how to be an effective parent. Maybe he'll pick rehab like so many other celebs caught misbehaving.

 

[skrilla]

I don't see why this is news. Well actually I do - this is the Internet, and it will probably be all over the entertainment news tonight.

I got yelled at far worse as a kid. So did every kid on my block when their time came around.

Some of the "Federal Guidelines" above are questionable. "Isolation of the child from social contacts" - like grounding a child?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: suicidalpigeon
That's how a parent should be. Arrogant kids these days don't know schiz about discipline and respect.

I agree. I don't thing this should have been aired, honestly. The things my parents have said to me - calling me worthless, calling my sister a whore - if people heard it they'd be locked up.

Alec Baldwin's message was "you didn't do what I asked you to do, there will be consequences." How is this wrong?

Your parents would be locked up for calling your sister a whore?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Verbal abuse and intimidation. Not an appropriate way to communicate with your child, 11 years old or not. There are much better, more effective ways to talk to your kids. I cofacilitate a parenting class and it's amazing what some parents do/say since their parents did it to them... hard cycle to break.

I AGREE WITH YOU, but it is a parenting technique that is VERY common and not "abuse". If my neighbor went off on his kid like that I'd think "dude needs to chill." But we all get frustrated and parents need to set guidelines. This is a non-story - if he said "I'm going to rip your head off" sure, I agree it's newsworthy. Bad Alec! But, instead, he expressed his frustration and spoke harshly, but I've seen parents say and do much worse.

I'm not saying he should win father of the year but:
A) Celeb kids usually grow up with no discipline, like Paris Hilton. Kudos to him for being a real father
B) He's dealing with his kid in a rough but not-abusive way.
C) He shouldn't have mentioned her mother negatively but, again, this is human and parents do this
D) He doesn't seem to be a bad person, just a tough cookie

I think his daughter may in fact grow up to be a responsible, decent person and not some spoiled rich kid. That's a good thing in my book.

I respectfully disagree with your first sentence - like it or not, legally, it does constitute abuse. As a mandated reporter, if one of my clients reports that, I am legally obligated to file a child abuse report. If I don't, I would be in serious legal trouble since I am required by law to make a report.

I agree that celeb kids can grow up as brats, but calling your daughter a "thoughtless little pig," etc. is not "being a good father."

More info about child abuse.

"Emotional Abuse?California Penal Code Section 11166

* Emotional abuse is defined as when a person causes or permits a child to suffer unjustifiable or significant mental suffering.

Emotional Abuse?Federal Guidelines

* Acts or omissions by parents or caretakers that have caused, or could cause, serious behavioral, cognitive, emotional or mental disorders.
* Some acts, do not leave evident harm to the child but warrant reporting, such as extreme or bizarre forms of punishment, such as locking a child in a closet.
* Emotional abuse is almost always present when other forms of abuse are identified

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Child

* Withdrawn, seeks isolation or is unresponsive
* Overly rigid or passive
* Repetitive, rhythmic movements
* Sleep, eating or speech disorders
* Learning problems
* Destructive to self or others
* Poor self-image and esteem - may unwittingly say ?I?m bad?my daddy tells me so.?
* Hungers for attention and affection
* Failure to Thrive Syndrome

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Parent

* Has unrealistic expectations of the child - developmentally, educationally or emotionally
* Enforces unusual penalties or vaguely sinister punishment - it is one thing to place a child in time-out in their room for five minutes, and another to place a child in time-out in a locked closet for five minutes
* Uses child to satisfy their own ego needs
* Describes the child as bad, different, worthless or evil
* Refers to the child as ?It?
* Uses child as a battleground for problems"

Gdamn, another good reason I'm glad I don't live in that commie state.

 

[djheater]

For the love of god won't somebody think of the bold tags!

Please people, close the bold of Mrs. Bugi's post

 

[OutHouse]

i will never call my daughters a fat pig and my kids are 13 and 10... thats just sad.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Verbal abuse and intimidation. Not an appropriate way to communicate with your child, 11 years old or not. There are much better, more effective ways to talk to your kids. I cofacilitate a parenting class and it's amazing what some parents do/say since their parents did it to them... hard cycle to break.

I AGREE WITH YOU, but it is a parenting technique that is VERY common and not "abuse". If my neighbor went off on his kid like that I'd think "dude needs to chill." But we all get frustrated and parents need to set guidelines. This is a non-story - if he said "I'm going to rip your head off" sure, I agree it's newsworthy. Bad Alec! But, instead, he expressed his frustration and spoke harshly, but I've seen parents say and do much worse.

I'm not saying he should win father of the year but:
A) Celeb kids usually grow up with no discipline, like Paris Hilton. Kudos to him for being a real father
B) He's dealing with his kid in a rough but not-abusive way.
C) He shouldn't have mentioned her mother negatively but, again, this is human and parents do this
D) He doesn't seem to be a bad person, just a tough cookie

I think his daughter may in fact grow up to be a responsible, decent person and not some spoiled rich kid. That's a good thing in my book.

I respectfully disagree with your first sentence - like it or not, legally, it does constitute abuse. As a mandated reporter, if one of my clients reports that, I am legally obligated to file a child abuse report. If I don't, I would be in serious legal trouble since I am required by law to make a report.

I agree that celeb kids can grow up as brats, but calling your daughter a "thoughtless little pig," etc. is not "being a good father."

More info about child abuse.

"Emotional Abuse?California Penal Code Section 11166

* Emotional abuse is defined as when a person causes or permits a child to suffer unjustifiable or significant mental suffering.

Emotional Abuse?Federal Guidelines

* Acts or omissions by parents or caretakers that have caused, or could cause, serious behavioral, cognitive, emotional or mental disorders.
* Some acts, do not leave evident harm to the child but warrant reporting, such as extreme or bizarre forms of punishment, such as locking a child in a closet.
* Emotional abuse is almost always present when other forms of abuse are identified

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Child

* Withdrawn, seeks isolation or is unresponsive
* Overly rigid or passive
* Repetitive, rhythmic movements
* Sleep, eating or speech disorders
* Learning problems
* Destructive to self or others
* Poor self-image and esteem - may unwittingly say ?I?m bad?my daddy tells me so.?
* Hungers for attention and affection
* Failure to Thrive Syndrome

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Parent

* Has unrealistic expectations of the child - developmentally, educationally or emotionally
* Enforces unusual penalties or vaguely sinister punishment - it is one thing to place a child in time-out in their room for five minutes, and another to place a child in time-out in a locked closet for five minutes
* Uses child to satisfy their own ego needs
* Describes the child as bad, different, worthless or evil
* Refers to the child as ?It?
* Uses child as a battleground for problems"

I hate to say it, but it's all these touchy-feely, don't yell at/spank your kids BS of this generation which has given birth to a new breed of pvssy parenting.

It's the very same pvssy parenting that has allowed our youth to develop into such arrogant and disrespectful kids.

I'm only 26 years old, but back in my days if I was rude to an adult or even raised my voice to an elder, they'd kick my ass.

Nowadays, a kid will yell at his/her mom and then add, "Don't even think about laying a hand on me, I'll call social services." What does the parent do? They cave in. Rinse, repeat. Now the children are in power, not the parents.

Pvssy parenting FTL!

Edit: closed the bold

 

[MrsBugi]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Verbal abuse and intimidation. Not an appropriate way to communicate with your child, 11 years old or not. There are much better, more effective ways to talk to your kids. I cofacilitate a parenting class and it's amazing what some parents do/say since their parents did it to them... hard cycle to break.

I AGREE WITH YOU, but it is a parenting technique that is VERY common and not "abuse". If my neighbor went off on his kid like that I'd think "dude needs to chill." But we all get frustrated and parents need to set guidelines. This is a non-story - if he said "I'm going to rip your head off" sure, I agree it's newsworthy. Bad Alec! But, instead, he expressed his frustration and spoke harshly, but I've seen parents say and do much worse.

I'm not saying he should win father of the year but:
A) Celeb kids usually grow up with no discipline, like Paris Hilton. Kudos to him for being a real father
B) He's dealing with his kid in a rough but not-abusive way.
C) He shouldn't have mentioned her mother negatively but, again, this is human and parents do this
D) He doesn't seem to be a bad person, just a tough cookie

I think his daughter may in fact grow up to be a responsible, decent person and not some spoiled rich kid. That's a good thing in my book.

I respectfully disagree with your first sentence - like it or not, legally, it does constitute abuse. As a mandated reporter, if one of my clients reports that, I am legally obligated to file a child abuse report. If I don't, I would be in serious legal trouble since I am required by law to make a report.

I agree that celeb kids can grow up as brats, but calling your daughter a "thoughtless little pig," etc. is not "being a good father."

More info about child abuse.

"Emotional Abuse?California Penal Code Section 11166

* Emotional abuse is defined as when a person causes or permits a child to suffer unjustifiable or significant mental suffering.

Emotional Abuse?Federal Guidelines

* Acts or omissions by parents or caretakers that have caused, or could cause, serious behavioral, cognitive, emotional or mental disorders.
* Some acts, do not leave evident harm to the child but warrant reporting, such as extreme or bizarre forms of punishment, such as locking a child in a closet.
* Emotional abuse is almost always present when other forms of abuse are identified

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Child

* Withdrawn, seeks isolation or is unresponsive
* Overly rigid or passive
* Repetitive, rhythmic movements
* Sleep, eating or speech disorders
* Learning problems
* Destructive to self or others
* Poor self-image and esteem - may unwittingly say ?I?m bad?my daddy tells me so.?
* Hungers for attention and affection
* Failure to Thrive Syndrome

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Parent

* Has unrealistic expectations of the child - developmentally, educationally or emotionally
* Enforces unusual penalties or vaguely sinister punishment - it is one thing to place a child in time-out in their room for five minutes, and another to place a child in time-out in a locked closet for five minutes
* Uses child to satisfy their own ego needs
* Describes the child as bad, different, worthless or evil
* Refers to the child as ?It?
* Uses child as a battleground for problems"

Gdamn, another good reason I'm glad I don't live in that commie state.

There are child abuse reporting laws in every state.

Even Texas, where my family lives.

 

[OutHouse]

actually pussy laws FTL.

 

[MrsBugi]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: SirStev0
Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

You're wrong. Not in moshquerade's family. Not in mine. My parents NEVER spoke to me like that and I NEVER spoke to my own children like that. If that's your experience then I'm sorry for you, but don't put it on the rest of us who didn't go through it.

Right. God I wish there was a poll as to how many people would call this bs.

Done. Interestingly, not many people are calling it bs.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: Ktulu
Meh, rich kid, I'm sure she deserves it.

She most likely deserves a tongue lashing, but the way he said it was verbal abuse.

You are lieing if you say your parents didn't flip out on you at least once or twice (more likely a couple dozen) times when you were this age all the way until you were way out of high school. Considering kids like Drew Barrymore who were into a heavy coke habit when she was 8 it is good to see a rich parent actually caring about what/where his daughter is and acting considerably upset that she isn't answering him. I very much doubt this nation needs another Paris Hilton and I doubt Baldwin wants it to be his spoiled brat.

Nope. My parents NEVER spoke to me that way. Sure, they got pissed at me but they didn't swear, call me a "thoughtless little pig" or go to the extreme Baldwin did. He truly sounds flippin nuts.

Again, I am not saying he didn't have the right to be upset. I am criticizing the words he used. Plus he acts like a spoiled baby himself.

Bullllshit. Unless your parents were hoped up on prozac or you were an absolute saint. I can guarantee the worlds "thoughtless little <insert insult here>" have been spoken about you quite a few times through your teen years.

I agree.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Alec isn't out of line. He has a right to discipline his daughter however he sees fit as long as it's not REAL abuse. She probably deserves to be yelled at....you know Kim isn't exactly the kind of mother anyone would want.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: suicidalpigeon
That's how a parent should be. Arrogant kids these days don't know schiz about discipline and respect.

I agree. I don't thing this should have been aired, honestly. The things my parents have said to me - calling me worthless, calling my sister a whore - if people heard it they'd be locked up.

Alec Baldwin's message was "you didn't do what I asked you to do, there will be consequences." How is this wrong?

please. all the information we know is that she missed a "scheduled phone call." that's ****** BS. undeserved psycho parenting. No wonder Kim divorced his ass.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: michaels
http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/0419_baldwin.mp3
http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/19/alec-baldwins-threatening-message-to-daughter/
:Q

geez.. alec vs kim in a knife fight and get it over with.

same can be said with rosie and donald